Herschel - ESPN Storied

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Sat out? Really? That's the best you got. IMO ypc outweighs all the others. A gator all up in a bulldogs nuts... Hmmmm.. Plus a pretty good coach, jimmy Johnson, traded him in the biggest blockbuster deal in nfl history at the time, extracted 3 championships out of his overvalued ability to do sit ups
 
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StoVol said:
A gator all up in a bulldogs nuts... Hmmmm.. Plus a pretty good coach, jimmy Johnson, traded him in the biggest blockbuster deal in nfl history at the time, extracted 3 championships out of his overvalued ability to do sit ups
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Objectivity in sports is hard but I respect fact that Gator can give Bulldog credit.
 
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StoVol said:
Sat out? Really? That's the best you got. IMO ypc outweighs all the others. A gator all up in a bulldogs nuts... Hmmmm.. Plus a pretty good coach, jimmy Johnson, traded him in the biggest blockbuster deal in nfl history at the time, extracted 3 championships out of his overvalued ability to do sit ups
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And YPC is the best YOU got, with no regard whatsoever to who those carries came against.

Bo Jackson had a sparkling 5.0 YPC against a great Texas team in '83. He finished with 35 yards on seven carries, and AU lost 20-7.

Stats are for losers. The only stat that matters is winning.

Herschel's UGA teams went UNDEFEATED in SEC play, and I they lost no more than two regular season games between 1980-82. During Bo's time at Auburn, AU was 1-3 against UF, and Bo was a no-show his junior and senior year. He folded like a cheap tent when it mattered most.

But yeah, Bo had a great YPC. :eek:lol:
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
Objectivity in sports is hard but I respect fact that Gator can give Bulldog credit.
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I give credit where credit is due. I watched Herschel and Bo play against UF in the mid 80s.

Herschel was a man amongst boys. Bo was a freak athlete who didn't like getting hit.

Herschel should have won the Heisman as a freshman. He was that good.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You could argue Cam Newton's Heisman season was better than Tebow's best season, but to suggest Newton was a better college football player is nonsense, especially when you consider Newton competed directly against Tebow every day in practice for two years and couldn't beat him out.

If we're talking about all-time greats, you need to bring it for more than just one season.
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WELL, he would have....if...if....that story didn't break and the money dried up!!! They simply ran out of funds to keep him around for another year!! :)
 
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StoVol said:
Sat out? Really? That's the best you got. IMO ypc outweighs all the others. A gator all up in a bulldogs nuts... Hmmmm.. Plus a pretty good coach, jimmy Johnson, traded him in the biggest blockbuster deal in nfl history at the time, extracted 3 championships out of his overvalued ability to do sit ups
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So you bring up irrelevant NFL nonsense to make an argument about who was the better college player.

Brilliant. :good!:
 
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StoVol said:
Sat out? Really? That's the best you got. IMO ypc outweighs all the others. A gator all up in a bulldogs nuts... Hmmmm.. Plus a pretty good coach, jimmy Johnson, traded him in the biggest blockbuster deal in nfl history at the time, extracted 3 championships out of his overvalued ability to do sit ups
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I hate to agree with a gator but Herschel spanked Bo all over the field in college....Bo had other great players around.....Herschel was keyed on every single play and carried and willed his team to victory......I agree Bo got soft when things got tough and I loved watching Bo play.
 
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Using your logic Ricky Williams is better than walker. Walker had more carries. That is all he had. Jimmy Johnson loved him some Hershel. Bo is hands down the better football player, and baseball, and hockey, ping pong, shuffleboard, badminton, everything.

Bo still holds the SEC record for yards per carry (6.6 yards per attempt for backs with a minimum of 400 career carries).

During Bo JacksonÂ’s career, he faced strength of schedule of .601. Darren McFadden has faced a strength of schedule of .566 and Herschel Walker was last at .485. Of Bo JacksonÂ’s 41 regular season games, 29 of his opponents had a winning record. McFadden faced 21 of 37 and Herschel Walker faced only 15 of 36.
 
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StoVol said:
Bo is hands down the better football player, and baseball, and hockey, ping pong, shuffleboard, badminton, everything.
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First I want to clear something up, I want no part of dissing Bo Jackson's talent. Absolutely phenomenal athlete. With that said this "There's barely even a worthy discussion to have in the comparison." attitude is at best flawed and at worst delusional. I am exaggerating not in the least that there are literally millions of people that watched both play and would find the above quote simply laughable. Honestly, I don't have a huge issue with anyone that expresses the simple belief that they'd rather have Bo over Hershel. Hell, I honestly wouldn't have a problem with someone saying they'd rather have Barry Sanders than either. (If we're going to play the "fewer carries" argument how many yards does Sanders put up with no Thurman Thomas upper-classman in the way or he just stays for his Sr year?)

A good while back the best I could do with these two is this;

If I've got to have this carry go the distance of the field (nevermind what the scenario would be to make that a running play) I'd probably want to pitch to Bo. (Though Walker was actually faster)

If I have a game I need to win, including grind it out yards and 4th and goal from the 2 situations then I'll take Walker.
 
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StoVol said:
Using your logic Ricky Williams is better than walker.
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You brought up the YPC argument, not me. Ricky Williams is looking up at Herschel, Bo and Barry Sanders imo.

Walker had more carries. That is all he had.
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Wrong...Herschel led his UGA teams to three consecutive SEC championships. Herschel's UGA teams did not lose a conference game from 1980 to 1982. Herschel, as a freshman, led UGA to a national title. Bo has a better YPC average, Herschel has titles. You lose.

Jimmy Johnson loved him some Hershel. Bo is hands down the better football player, and baseball, and hockey, ping pong, shuffleboard, badminton, everything.
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Try and stay focused sparky. We are talking COLLEGE FOOTBALL here. Many here, including myself, concede that Bo was a superior athlete based on his success in other sports. You don't win points for making an argument that's not on the table....so again, you lose.

Bo still holds the SEC record for yards per carry (6.6 yards per attempt for backs with a minimum of 400 career carries).

During Bo JacksonÂ’s career, he faced strength of schedule of .601. Darren McFadden has faced a strength of schedule of .566 and Herschel Walker was last at .485. Of Bo JacksonÂ’s 41 regular season games, 29 of his opponents had a winning record. McFadden faced 21 of 37 and Herschel Walker faced only 15 of 36.
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More meaningless statistics....Bo's strength of schedule number against the SEC powers of the day (UF, Tennessee, Bama, etc.) don't mean squat IF BO DIDN'T FINISH THE GAME AGAINST THAT LEVEL OF COMPETITION! Bo missed the majority of the '84 and '85 UF games due to "injury", yet you want to claim he faced better competition that Herschel? Fact is, Bo BACKED DOWN from better competition than Herschel. You don't get points for disappearing when the going gets tough.
 
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hndog609 said:
First I want to clear something up, I want no part of dissing Bo Jackson's talent. Absolutely phenomenal athlete. With that said this "There's barely even a worthy discussion to have in the comparison." attitude is at best flawed and at worst delusional. I am exaggerating not in the least that there are literally millions of people that watched both play and would find the above quote simply laughable. Honestly, I don't have a huge issue with anyone that expresses the simple belief that they'd rather have Bo over Hershel. Hell, I honestly wouldn't have a problem with someone saying they'd rather have Barry Sanders than either. (If we're going to play the "fewer carries" argument how many yards does Sanders put up with no Thurman Thomas upper-classman in the way or he just stays for his Sr year?)

A good while back the best I could do with these two is this;

If I've got to have this carry go the distance of the field (nevermind what the scenario would be to make that a running play) I'd probably want to pitch to Bo. (Though Walker was actually faster)

If I have a game I need to win, including grind it out yards and 4th and goal from the 2 situations then I'll take Walker.
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Good post. There's no denying Bo's talent back in the day. As a CFB fan who saw both play, in person, I along with others questioned Bo's heart.

As for your comparison, both Bo and Herschel could go the distance on any play, but Herschel could grind down a defense 4-6 yards at a time the entire fourth quarter without taking a breather.
 
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All you got is knocking a player for injury.. You are so weak.. If a guy plays twice as many great teams he is playing better defenders.. All the while averaging better production.. You bring up a loss Bo had.. Name a player who went undefeated.. Weak... Pennstate ass whooping on Hershel in bowl game.. Look it up, I think Hershel was awesome, but Bo is the greatest we have seen. I see no evidence outside of your opinion of Bo , and his career yardage total, that would indicate he was a better player. The 6.4 to 5.1 is a much better indicator of their talent. Sure you can bring up the pathetic demps. But Bo had a season where he avg 7 per carry. I had two runs for 100 yds in a game. Does a 50 avg make me better than demps? Once the sample size is large enough however, it is much more reliable.. Two guys with over 700 carries you can see with empirical evidence, not" Bo was hurt in three games!" . That is not evidence, just a biased opinion. That documentary must have moved you. You should watch one on Bo, Barry sanders, and emmit now.
 
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TuskALoosa said:
Bo was bigger. Bo was faster. Bo was stronger. Bo was also dumber.
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As best I can tell their size was so similar it's pretty much a wash (depending on source it's +/- an inch and 5lbs) and since both ran track we can empirically say Walker was faster in both the 60m & 100m. (Walker was actually a 10.2 100m guy)

I will note that this doesn't prove anything about Walker being "better" than Jackson as a RB but he was no smaller and demonstrably faster.
 
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hndog609 said:
As best I can tell their size was so similar it's pretty much a wash (depending on source it's +/- an inch and 5lbs) and since both ran track we can empirically say Walker was faster in both the 60m & 100m. (Walker was actually a 10.2 100m guy)

I will note that this doesn't prove anything about Walker being "better" than Jackson as a RB but he was no smaller and demonstrably faster.
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But Bo was still dumber, right?
 
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I just hate that my Herschel memories are mainly for the Cowboys, who was my pro team as a kid, and he was dancing like crazy at that point in his career. At least thats the memory I have. It could have only been one game or something, but seems like he started tiptoeing.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I just hate that my Herschel memories are mainly for the Cowboys, who was my pro team as a kid, and he was dancing like crazy at that point in his career. At least thats the memory I have. It could have only been one game or something, but seems like he started tiptoeing.
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injuries, right?
 
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BigSteve09 said:
injuries, right?
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Man, I really don't remember. I just remember being hyped up about him coming to the Cowboys. I remember one big run from left to right when it looked like he was flying. And I remember a lot of dancing and ducking into the line without the pop. Couldn't even tell you what year it was or how long he was there.

Just images, really.
 
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I just looked back. I think I was just a dumb teenager. It's obvious he was at the end of his career when he came back.
 
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Give me Tommy Frazier and pitch to any decent rb and thats enough to compete for championships. You can have stats Ill take Frazier moving chains and winning games. Now I realize Tebow will be compared and thats fair but 1 of his titles he was only a short yardage sub as a backup.
 
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