Heupel’s Tenure and ‘23 Retrospective

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Heupel is going to have make some major changes next year in the coaching staff.

No way should we be calling for his head, however tonight made his seat a little warm.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Dude just stop. Next year will be much better.
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Don't think so and the reason is we will probably lose a ton of players that had a lot of experience, and we'll be forced to play younger players...Our OL and DL could be decimated if everybody that has a covid year leaves...
 
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After the previous coaches I’m willing to go through a few 8-4 seasons to build a program. Last year spoiled the fan base. But tbh this showing lacked intensity & preparednes, imo.
 
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sami said:
Damn, the pathetic nega-trolls just live for these weeks, don't they? Yeah, this was an awful effort, but it's so damn easy for some to forget where we were for more than a decade before White and Heupel were hired. This isn't about being a sunshine pumper, but being realistic and having a shred of patience as a program gets back on its feet after being in the sewer.
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If you’re referring to my OP, I made specific reference to the fact that the program is in much better shape now that in the 10s, and that there’s pretty overwhelming evidence that Heupel is in a different class than Pruitt, Butch, and Dooley. Performances like tonight (and they are a pattern) make me question if Heupel, and more precisely this coaching staff as it currently exists, will ultimately get the program back to what most of us see as its rightful place. If anything, I’m advocating for patience: I’m saying the jury is out, we still don’t know and time will tell.

But if not having 100% ironclad certitude that Heupel and the current staff are the long-term answer makes me a “pathetic nega-troll,” then I guess that’s what I am.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
If I were Heupel, I would throw a ton of money at Derek Mason or Will Muschamp as a DC.
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Problem I think is no good DC would want this job. If offense is clicking you're on the field the whole game. If they are not clicking, you're on the field the whole game. This offense is starting to feel like the Butch Jones offense without Dobbs. Hurry up and punt/pretend zone read
 
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Sos said:
After the previous coaches I’m willing to go through a few 8-4 seasons to build a program. Last year spoiled the fan base. But tbh this showing lacked intensity & preparednes, imo.
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This is about where I’m at, recognizing that I am someone who was “spoiled” by last year, but also that losses like this are really unacceptable.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Problem I think is no good DC would want this job. If offense is clicking you're on the field the whole game. If they are not clicking, you're on the field the whole game. This offense is starting to feel like the Butch Jones offense without Dobbs. Hurry up and punt/pretend zone read
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Hard to argue but very troubling.
 
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After every loss, there is going to be some frustration, but I think it is best to wait a day or two, once the steam cools off, to better assess the overall picture.

I think alot of Vol fans, none more guilty than myself, underestimated Mizzou and Drink as an offensive playcaller. I think we all will sing a different tune after today. Truth is, Mizzou is much better than we gave them credit for and Drink has established a very effective and consistent offense. He has learned and adjusted as a head coach. And who he was 2 years ago isn't who he is today. Through coaching changes and adjustments he has designed a really good offensive scheme and is balanced defensively.

So with that said, I think this loss isn't as bad as the perception in here. The score looks bad, but I don't think it is fully indicative of who we are and what Huepel brings to the table long term. It was just a good ole butt whooping where the home team is top 10 and the away team is fringe top 25. We could have kept it closer with a cleaner game (less Penalties and turnovers), but that wasn't to be and the gane spiralled out of control.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
If you’re referring to my OP, I made specific reference to the fact that the program is in much better shape now that in the 10s, and that there’s pretty overwhelming evidence that Heupel is in a different class than Pruitt, Butch, and Dooley. Performances like tonight (and they are a pattern) make me question if Heupel, and more precisely this coaching staff as it currently exists, will ultimately get the program back to what most of us see as its rightful place. If anything, I’m advocating for patience: I’m saying the jury is out, we still don’t know and time will tell.

But if not having 100% ironclad certitude that Heupel and the current staff are the long-term answer makes me a “pathetic nega-troll,” then I guess that’s what I am.
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I was not referring to you, but to the multitude of trolls that seem to live for these moments. My response was a reaction to having gone through a bunch of threads already with the usual suspects ready to fire everyone and burn down the castle.

Of course we don't have '100% ironclad certitude' that Heupel & Co. are the answer. Any one who says that is in dreamworld. But to not give 4-5 seasons for this reclamation given where it was is beyond unreasonable.
 
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sami said:
I was not referring to you, but to the multitude of trolls that seem to live for these moments. My response was a reaction to having gone through a bunch of threads already with the usual suspects ready to fire everyone and burn down the castle.

Of course we don't have '100% ironclad certitude' that Heupel & Co. are the answer. Any one who says that is in dreamworld. But to not give 4-5 seasons for this reclamation given where it was is beyond unreasonable.
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99% chance he’ll get 5 seasons. But after today, I’m feeling 50/50 on whether there’s a sixth.
 
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sami said:
I was not referring to you, but to the multitude of trolls that seem to live for these moments. My response was a reaction to having gone through a bunch of threads already with the usual suspects ready to fire everyone and burn down the castle.

Of course we don't have '100% ironclad certitude' that Heupel & Co. are the answer. Any one who says that is in dreamworld. But to not give 4-5 seasons for this reclamation given where it was is beyond unreasonable.
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Yeah I feel you. Heupel should get until at the very least ‘25. It’s just that last year “How long should we give Heupel?” didn’t even seem like a question.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Problem I think is no good DC would want this job. If offense is clicking you're on the field the whole game. If they are not clicking, you're on the field the whole game. This offense is starting to feel like the Butch Jones offense without Dobbs. Hurry up and punt/pretend zone read
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There are some negatives to being a DC for Huepel, but also some Positives too. For one, its actually good for recruiting. From listening to the players themselves speak, the defensive guys love the opportunity to get more snaps where they could pad their stats. They want to be on the field. They want those extra sacks, TFLs or PBUs.

Plus, DCs can be aggressive as well knowing that if they make a mistake or something goes wrong, there is a potent offense on the other side to score and cover it up.

Also, if the offense is moving the ball well and/or scoring. They are, in the least, often pinning the other team to starting field position inside the 25. Most good offenses win the field position battle. (Though it was clear we lost it today against Mizzou).
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
Yeah I feel you. Heupel should get until at the very least ‘25. It’s just that last year “How long should we give Heupel?” didn’t even seem like a question.
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It’s still not a question. We have a good shot at finishing 9-4. That will be tied for our 2nd best record in the last 16 years. Oh and Heupel has the top record in that same time frame.
 
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Sos said:
After the previous coaches I’m willing to go through a few 8-4 seasons to build a program. Last year spoiled the fan base. But tbh this showing lacked intensity & preparednes, imo.
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We need to get to atleast years 5-7 with Heupel. I’m firm believer that he needs to turn over a full class before even considering his seat being warm.

I want to see what 4-5 years of building a pipeline that is his own first.

I think coaching wise he’s shown the potential he can get us to. However, it would be foolish to say we aren’t still feeling the wrath of the roster condition and transfers he dealt with when taking this job.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Dude just stop. Next year will be much better.
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I hope you are right. Next yr will be Hype's 4 the year and 3 full recruiting years. I am concerned with what we are seeing from sophomores. PIerce is good, Samson, who else?? Next year we will have 3 full recruiting years by Hype, so we should see improvement if we are on the right track, not regression.
 
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