Heupel has averaged 9 wins per year during his first 4 years

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loservol said:
Until Heupel and the team gets serious about competing for a championship, then you fake goody goodies on here can chalk this season up as another failure. What went down in Ohio should not be okay by anyone's standards. Be more like the real football fanbases and demand excellence, or you shall never see it in your lifetime.

Like I said already, everyone from this point forward will look at us all as loservols until this lost at Ohio is avenged.
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loservol said:
Until Heupel and the team gets serious about competing for a championship, then you fake goody goodies on here can chalk this season up as another failure. What went down in Ohio should not be okay by anyone's standards. Be more like the real football fanbases and demand excellence, or you shall never see it in your lifetime.

Like I said already, everyone from this point forward will look at us all as loservols until this lost at Ohio is avenged.
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How Dare You Greta GIF
 
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DaddyChad said:
Fahr Heupel!?!?!

Damn man I just shake my head at some of our fans. It’s like people don’t realize how far he’s brought us in a short time.
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90% of the bad chatter in here wasn't around when Nebraska kicked our teeth in 55-?? in that bowl game. With Manning and a roster that was arguably far beyond what we have now. It happens. Hate that it happened. With everything the Buckeye team has endured since the UM loss, whether or not we could beat them was never the question. Plus all our pre-game antics during the week. We made it worse than just catching GA at home after an Ole Miss beat down. Had they beat UM, their entire lead up to this game would have been different and they likely lay an egg as easy as we did. SEC talk is only as good as backing it up. Having said that OSU now is only 3-12 verses the league all time.
 
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wmcovol said:
For a program that averaged 6 wins per year the 13 years before him.

Meanwhile, he’s doing this with less scholarships than his predecessors & opponents (10+ his first 2 years, 2 each year now) and with heavy NcAA penalty rumors during his first 3 yrs.

Everybody needs to stop with characterization of his program. He’s been limited ever since day 1.
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People need to vent because of the way we lost this game not because we lost the game. Heupel does not need apology threads, he lost another road game, chalk it up and move on.
 
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I'm 71 years old, been keeping up with Tennessee for a bunch of years. When I first started following, Bubba Wyche was the qb. I saw a game between Tennessee and Tulane from the stands, my first Tennessee game from inside the stadium. Curt Watson was the halfback.

Since that time I've seen the good and the bad of Tennessee football. The pinnacale and the pits. I prefer the first.

I believe Heupel is a very good coach, maybe on the verge of becoming a great coach. I do think he needs to do a deep evaluation of his coaching staff and replace some of them. That means going after top flight assistant coaches, not just buddies. Guess we'll see going forward.
 
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Average 9 wins, well that’s great, let’s call it the day and give Heup and his coaches a participation trophy.
 
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madbamahater said:
We have fans that are mad about a 9 win average and would rather go back to 6 win average, so they can bitch even more just to be proven right.

I say all this as one of the biggest bitchers on VolNation.

We do have some of the dumbest fans of all fan bases. Obviously not as many as Alabubba, UF, UGA, and UK, but we have some that like to compete with them.
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We just played (and got destroyed by) a team that wants to fire their coach, despite the fact he has the highest winning percentage in college football. Meanwhile we had 30,000+ fans show up to see us get the brakes beaten off of us.

People need to stop bitching about the fans.
 
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wmcovol said:
For a program that averaged 6 wins per year the 13 years before him.

Meanwhile, he’s doing this with less scholarships than his predecessors & opponents (10+ his first 2 years, 2 each year now) and with heavy NcAA penalty rumors during his first 3 yrs.

Everybody needs to stop with characterization of his program. He’s been limited ever since day 1.
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100 percent my guy. Atleast some of us get it. Tough loss but the program took a very important step this season making the 12 field.
 
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wmcovol said:
For a program that averaged 6 wins per year the 13 years before him.

Meanwhile, he’s doing this with less scholarships than his predecessors & opponents (10+ his first 2 years, 2 each year now) and with heavy NcAA penalty rumors during his first 3 yrs.

Everybody needs to stop with characterization of his program. He’s been limited ever since day 1.
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Yes and that needs to be applauded.
But don't allow that to put you in position of comfort and deceiving yourself that improvements aren't needed...

Ohio State showed us what a real team looks like. Ok?

Either Heupel excepts that and takes action
OR
We've reached the ceiling.

He doesn't need to fire anyone. If Banks wants to go fine. But the main problem - ironically enough - is the offensive scheme.

We saw this against Arkansas, Oklahoma, Florida, Georgia and Ohio State...this isn't new.
Ohio State was just much more talented and it showed up big time when we couldn't score and our defense got beat 1 on 1.

With a greater offensive capacity - with our talent available at the time - that game could have been 35-24 Ohio State. Instead of 42-17.
 
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Carp said:
What are we qualifying as "that level of productivity?"
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Good question.

Perhaps there is an ethereal definition.

A big part (but the sum) I suppose I would say something along the lines of putting your foot on the opponents neck early.

I believe that every SEC opponent we played this year gave us fits for a half. Granted the Miss St game was because Nico was hurt and we basically shut down ourselves.

Our games this year-and even going back to last year were slow and deliberate.

The fact that we were winning caused us all to gloss over some really big issues and those were readily apparent Saturday.
 
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If the fans run Heupel out of town, then we deserve every bit of mediocrity that comes our way.
 
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No disagreement about Heupel in comparison to his four predecessors.

However, there’s probably is a lot of valid criticism too, especially related to the terrible showing in Columbus. To not even be remotely competitive wipes away some of the luster from what was a good season. We looked like we didn’t belong in the SEC, much less in the playoffs. A large part of “credit” for that belongs to our coaching staff.
 
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wmcovol said:
For a program that averaged 6 wins per year the 13 years before him.

Meanwhile, he’s doing this with less scholarships than his predecessors & opponents (10+ his first 2 years, 2 each year now) and with heavy NcAA penalty rumors during his first 3 yrs.

Everybody needs to stop with characterization of his program. He’s been limited ever since day 1.
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What I’ve been saying, year 4 and playoff appearance. 2 double digit win season, not the way we wanted to end but OSU has been building always really. Keep improving
 
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Nicovfl8 said:
What I’ve been saying, year 4 and playoff appearance. 2 double digit win season, not the way we wanted to end but OSU has been building always really. Keep improving
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Heupel has relatively never had serious pressure on him as a head coach. And I think that’s why he was good in turning the program around rather quickly. But he’s 4 years older and has pulled the program out of the ditch he found it in.

The next part of his journey here is to see if he can manage a program WITH expectations that come with pressure. I’m still very bullish on the guy. His position currently is very common for coaches. Some who have taken that step would be Dabo and Harbaugh. The common denominator for those two is they were given time. I don’t think Heupel should get 10 years to see if he can take us to the top but I think he’s earned 6-8 years minimum just for the Job hes done so far.
 
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loservol said:
Until Heupel and the team gets serious about competing for a championship, then you fake goody goodies on here can chalk this season up as another failure. What went down in Ohio should not be okay by anyone's standards. Be more like the real football fanbases and demand excellence, or you shall never see it in your lifetime.

Like I said already, everyone from this point forward will look at us all as loservols until this lost at Ohio is avenged.
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It's not black and white. Two things can be true:
1. The playoff blowout loss was unacceptable
2. Heupel has elevated the program and is continuing to trend up

Only a Sith thinks in absolutes!
 
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If it only took money to win, Texas A&M with Jimbo would have won all those nattys Saban won.
 
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loservol said:
Until Heupel and the team gets serious about competing for a championship, then you fake goody goodies on here can chalk this season up as another failure. What went down in Ohio should not be okay by anyone's standards. Be more like the real football fanbases and demand excellence, or you shall never see it in your lifetime.

Like I said already, everyone from this point forward will look at us all as loservols until this lost at Ohio is avenged.
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Do you post things like your last line for reaponses or do you seriously believe it?
 
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Casual Mustard Yeeter said:
It's not black and white. Two things can be true:
1. The playoff blowout loss was unacceptable
2. Heupel has elevated the program and is continuing to trend up

Only a Sith thinks in absolutes!
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Unacceptable? Is that not an absolute? Unacceptable as in..what?

If we get beaten in the first round for the next 3 years? Unacceptable? Someone should be fired?
 
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wmcovol said:
For a program that averaged 6 wins per year the 13 years before him.

Meanwhile, he’s doing this with less scholarships than his predecessors & opponents (10+ his first 2 years, 2 each year now) and with heavy NcAA penalty rumors during his first 3 yrs.

Everybody needs to stop with characterization of his program. He’s been limited ever since day 1.
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It’s not that he hasn’t improved the football in wins and loses it’s that the offense as a whole has taken a step backwards in years 3 and 4. No growth in the receivers department or QB department. Yes we have the star talent but it isn’t living up to its hype or development and that my friend is on coaching.
 
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Zues1 said:
Go 11-1 and you're most likely hosting.
Home field is an advantage, no matter if the visitor has a large fan base show.
I recall Nico said he preferred playing on the road.
For the most part this team was bad in road games.
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It’s not just been this years team bad on the road. Go look at all of our big loses majority has been on the road. He can’t get his teams prepared for them for some reason whether it be motivation or lack of game planning for an away game. It has to change if he wants to take the next level or he will be our version of Mark Richt and go 10-2 and lose a game he shouldn’t every year.
 
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