hey 3 star police........

[bleedorange0037]

Ed Reed - 2 stars
Ray Lewis - 2 stars

Johnny Manziel was a 3 star per rivals and scout. lol. He only won the Heisman 2012 as a freshman.

Victor Cruz also a 2 star recruit.

These are all exceptions to the rule. Nobody says that 2 or 3 star guys have no chance of being highly successful in the SEC, just that the ones who do are few and far between. You guys basically listed 4 examples from the past 10 years. To believe that Jones is going to be able to win big at UT would mean you believe that he will able to recruit 10 or so of these "exceptions" every year. Can anyone name me an example of another coach who has ever managed to do that and win consistently in one of the power conferences all while recruiting outside the top 25?

 

[Grude_Dude]

These are all exceptions to the rule. Nobody says that 2 or 3 star guys have no chance of being highly successful in the SEC, just that the ones who do are few and far between. You guys basically listed 4 examples from the past 10 years. To believe that Jones is going to be able to win big at UT would mean you believe that he will able to recruit 10 or so of these "exceptions" every year. Can anyone name me an example of another coach who has ever managed to do that and win consistently in one of the power conferences all while recruiting outside the top 25?

Ray lewis and Ed Reed were not 2 stars...That poster made that up.

 

[Grude_Dude]

These are all exceptions to the rule. Nobody says that 2 or 3 star guys have no chance of being highly successful in the SEC, just that the ones who do are few and far between. You guys basically listed 4 examples from the past 10 years. To believe that Jones is going to be able to win big at UT would mean you believe that he will able to recruit 10 or so of these "exceptions" every year. Can anyone name me an example of another coach who has ever managed to do that and win consistently in one of the power conferences all while recruiting outside the top 25?

Bobby Petrino...

 

[VOLatile]

Exactly. Weak conference, and they play 1 or 2 tough games a year, not almost every week.

More BCS wins this decade than Tennessee.

 

[Vol865]

Like I said there are some good 3 stars but to prove my point:

Joe McKnight -5*
Eric Berry-5*
Terrance Tolliver-5*
Arrelious Benn- 5*
Noel Devine- 5*
Golden Tate- 5*
Tyrod Taylor- 5*
Carlos Dunlap- 5*
Terrelle Pryor- 5*
DaQuan Bowers- 5*
Julio Jones- 5*
Patrick Peterson- 5*
Aj Green- 5*
DeAndre Brown- 5*
Manti Teo- 5*
Trent Richardson- 5*
Aaron Murray- 5*
Tajh Boyd- 5*

And that was just pulling 5 or 6 names out of the 2007-2009 class

 

[VOLatile]

Like I said there are some good 3 stars but to prove my point:

Joe McKnight -5*
Eric Berry-5*
Terrance Tolliver-5*
Arrelious Benn- 5*
Noel Devine- 5*
Golden Tate- 5*
Tyrod Taylor- 5*
Carlos Dunlap- 5*
Terrelle Pryor- 5*
DaQuan Bowers- 5*
Julio Jones- 5*
Patrick Peterson- 5*
Aj Green- 5*
DeAndre Brown- 5*
Manti Teo- 5*
Trent Richardson- 5*
Aaron Murray- 5*
Taj Boyd- 5*

And that was just pulling 5 or 6 names out of the 2007-2009 class

How many more have been busts?

 

[Vol865]

How many more have been busts?

There are some but just because they aren't starting in the nfl it doesn't make them all busts.....they can still be successful college without getting all the hype.....but I promise there are far more 3*s that don't pan out than 5*s

 

[RoaminVol]

These are all exceptions to the rule. Nobody says that 2 or 3 star guys have no chance of being highly successful in the SEC, just that the ones who do are few and far between. You guys basically listed 4 examples from the past 10 years. To believe that Jones is going to be able to win big at UT would mean you believe that he will able to recruit 10 or so of these "exceptions" every year. Can anyone name me an example of another coach who has ever managed to do that and win consistently in one of the power conferences all while recruiting outside the top 25?

Oregon, K-State, Northwestern, Cincy and Louisville.

 

[Vol865]

Oregon, K-State, Northwestern, Cincy and Louisville.

Big east is not a power conference....nor is Big 12

 

[RoaminVol]

Big east is not a power conference....nor is Big 12

How? They go to a BCS bowl and the only Big East team that played an SEC team whooped their ass. All BCS conference are power conferences. Also Arkansas was running things in the SEC too and they didn't have one top 25 class.

 

[Vol865]

How? They go to a BCS bowl and the only Big East team that played an SEC team whooped their ass. All BCS conference are power conferences. Also Arkansas was running things in the SEC too and they didn't have one top 25 class.

Big east has 1 or 2 good teams, just like the big 12. That does not qualify as a power conference. They are both the weakest bcs qualifying conferences. And if arky was "running things" then how come they haven't won the SEC or at least been to Atlanta. Not being able to get over the hump does not qualify as "running things".

 

[bleedorange0037]

How? They go to a BCS bowl and the only Big East team that played an SEC team whooped their ass. All BCS conference are power conferences. Also Arkansas was running things in the SEC too and they didn't have one top 25 class.

Being grandfathered into a system that gives out an automatic bid based on the fact that Miami and Virginia Tech used to be in your conference does not mean you are a power conference.

Also, Arkansas "ran things" right up to the point that they played the teams filled with 4 and 5 star talent. Then the only running they did was getting run out of the stadium by Bama and LSU.

 

[gohogs14]

Being grandfathered into a system that gives out an automatic bid based on the fact that Miami and Virginia Tech used to be in your conference does not mean you are a power conference.

Also, Arkansas "ran things" right up to the point that they played the teams filled with 4 and 5 star talent. Then the only running they did was getting run out of the stadium by Bama and LSU.

To be fair petrino was 2-2 against LSU with one loss in OT, but most of our starters on offense were 4*'s

 

[RoaminVol]

To be fair petrino was 2-2 against LSU with one loss in OT, but most of our starters on offense were 4*'s

Beat me too it. Also nobody has a winning record against except Kevin Sumlin but that won't last long imo.

 

[bigoleorange]

Just read the Matthews kid, WR for Vandy announced he's foregoing NFL draft to come back.

Said he was a 3* and ONLY Vandy offered him.

It's all about coaching them up!
Butch can and will do it!!

 

[865dude]

They gave me zero stars coming out of high school, but I could throw a football over them mountains.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

How many more have been busts?

John Brantley
Andre Debose
Ronald Powell?

 

[RoaminVol]

John Brantley
Andre Debose
Ronald Powell?

Kenny O'Neal
Bryce Brown

 

[865dude]

Mike Edwards, Nyshier Oliver, Rae Sykes, Palardy, Darr. Other notable super stars rated as 3*

 

[Vol865]

Kenny O'Neal
Bryce Brown

Just because Bryce brown left doesn't make him a bust....he is still very talented....although he did seem to sandbag at k state based on his recent performance

For everyone else reading: janzen, Bryce brown, nukeese, and Da' rick are not busts...they might be dumb but they are still talented players

 

[SaintLouisVol]

. . . but, the reality is teams that recruit higher rated players usually have better football teams

True, but there's somewhat of a "chicken or the egg" discussion to be had.

The truth of the matter is that every team's success depends on both. There are programs out there that seem to be able to maximize the abilities of middle of the pack recruits and compete. There are others that land a decent share of top recruits and yet don't win at the level one might expect. Teams that are at the very top seem to get the best players AND get the most out of them.

The issue is that UT has lost A LOT of ground in the last few years. I can't see any coach just walking in and starting to attract a significant number of 4 and 5 star guys. Recruiting success and on the field success will have to grow together. They are VERY symbiotic.

If CBJ can find a few diamonds, land a few other bigger names and maximize the output of the other "lowly 3-stars," I believe he can demonstrate enough success that he can at least start getting in the door for the bigger names.

 

[oregonvol]

Johnny Manziel was a 3 star per rivals and scout. lol. He only won the Heisman 2012 as a freshman.

Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. Going by your logic, I guess every GM in the NFL should trade his 1st round picks for 6th round picks, so he can have a whole f@#%ing team of Tom Bradys.

Genius.

 

[Joseph Blowfield]

Lots of high school drop outs are millionaires guess we should tell our kids not to bother

 

[Vercingetorix]

True, but there's somewhat of a "chicken or the egg" discussion to be had.

The truth of the matter is that every team's success depends on both. There are programs out there that seem to be able to maximize the abilities of middle of the pack recruits and compete. There are others that land a decent share of top recruits and yet don't win at the level one might expect. Teams that are at the very top seem to get the best players AND get the most out of them.

The issue is that UT has lost A LOT of ground in the last few years. I can't see any coach just walking in and starting to attract a significant number of 4 and 5 star guys. Recruiting success and on the field success will have to grow together. They are VERY symbiotic.

If CBJ can find a few diamonds, land a few other bigger names and maximize the output of the other "lowly 3-stars," I believe he can demonstrate enough success that he can at least start getting in the door for the bigger names.

We've seen repeatedly that great recruiters can start pulling top players before their success warrants it. If Jones doesn't sign at least a top 10-15 class next February, we'll know what his ceiling in the SEC is. I don't really see it as a chicken and egg situation at all. We'll know next year if he's a good enough recruiter to win a conference championship at UT.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

We've seen repeatedly that great recruiters can start pulling top players before their success warrants it . . .

Maybe one or two classes, but you can't sustain it long enough to really build an elite program unless recruits see those players developing into great players and see program winning.

Or, unless you are the University of Texas.

As one who has had very close, personal experiences with college athletic recruiting, I have a different perspective. I know that the coach is the face of the program, and he is the primary focus of the recruitment process, but there are other factors. Student athletes also look at the atmosphere, the opinions of the other players, the personality of the program, etc. I think it takes a bit of time for the new coach to make his imprint on all of that.

I won't judge him solely on on next year unless he just flat out tanks it. If he shows progress and puts together a better class than we've seen in recent years, I will expect the improvement to continue.