hey 3 star police........

#51
#51
SaintLouisVol said:
Maybe one or two classes, but you can't sustain it long enough to really build an elite program unless recruits see those players developing into great players and see program winning.

Or, unless you are the University of Texas.

As one who has had very close, personal experiences with college athletic recruiting, I have a different perspective. I know that the coach is the face of the program, and he is the primary focus of the recruitment process, but there are other factors. Student athletes also look at the atmosphere, the opinions of the other players, the personality of the program, etc. I think it takes a bit of time for the new coach to make his imprint on all of that.

I won't judge him solely on on next year unless he just flat out tanks it. If he shows progress and puts together a better class than we've seen in recent years, I will expect the improvement to continue.
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Well, obviously at some point you have to be able to coach too. If a coach pulls two good recruiting classes and can't show improvement, he needs to be gone anyway. Cf.Ed Orgeron.

No championship-winning coach has come into the SEC in the divisional era and had to do this sort of two-tiered process you're describing, where you recruit decent players, have some success, and then recruit top players after that. Every coach that's come into the conference and gone on to win a championship has blown it out in recruiting right from the jump and won his first championship early.
 
#52
#52
player development is equally important as stars
having said that, just using rivals, Bama started 3 3 stars last night
rest were all 4 and 5 *
 
#53
#53
velovol said:
player development is equally important as stars
having said that, just using rivals, Bama started 3 3 stars last night
rest were all 4 and 5 *
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Great Post! I agree but I would add that player development is equally important as long as you have top ten classes on a consistent basis like the teams we are trying to catch. Until we close the talent gap, we won't compete for SEC Championships anytime soon.
 
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#54
bleedorange0037 said:
These are all exceptions to the rule. Nobody says that 2 or 3 star guys have no chance of being highly successful in the SEC, just that the ones who do are few and far between. You guys basically listed 4 examples from the past 10 years. To believe that Jones is going to be able to win big at UT would mean you believe that he will able to recruit 10 or so of these "exceptions" every year. Can anyone name me an example of another coach who has ever managed to do that and win consistently in one of the power conferences all while recruiting outside the top 25?
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Tom Osborne
 
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#55
BUBear said:
Tom Osborne
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Hard to prove that without the assistance of recruiting services at the time.

But there was a time when just about every great lineman was going to Nebraska. I doubt his classes wouldn't have been ranked decently high.
 
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#56
bamawriter said:
Hard to prove that without the assistance of recruiting services at the time.

But there was a time when just about every great lineman was going to Nebraska. I doubt his classes wouldn't have been ranked decently high.
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Bill Snyder...twice
 
#59
#59
What's more tiring, people crying about every 3* signing, or people who feel the need to list 3* players who've had good careers?
 
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