High school football rules discussion

#151
#151
In a game this year on a kick off the return player ran sideways after catching the ball stepping in the endzone 2-3 times and was finally brought down about the 10. In a later kickoff the kid caught the ball and his back foot stepped into the endzone and the play was blown dead. The ball did not appear to cross the plain in either case. Should they both been blown dead and spotted at the 20?
 
#152
#152
orangeslice13 said:
In a game this year on a kick off the return player ran sideways after catching the ball stepping in the endzone 2-3 times and was finally brought down about the 10. In a later kickoff the kid caught the ball and his back foot stepped into the endzone and the play was blown dead. The ball did not appear to cross the plain in either case. Should they both been blown dead and spotted at the 20?
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If the kick goes into the end zone in high school it is a touchback. If you remember, a kick is a kick until it is possessed, it will help make these plays easier to understand.

From what you say in the first one, this one sounds like it was done right. Once possession is gained outside the end zone it does not matter if he runs into the end zone or not when it comes to being a touchback.

It the second scenario, it sounds like the referee declared that the ball broke the plane of the goal line and called it a touchback.

The player's feet has nothing to do with it being a touchback or not. It is all about the ball.
 
#153
#153
footballref said:
If the kick goes into the end zone in high school it is a touchback. If you remember, a kick is a kick until it is possessed, it will help make these plays easier to understand.

From what you say in the first one, this one sounds like it was done right. Once possession is gained outside the end zone it does not matter if he runs into the end zone or not when it comes to being a touchback.

It the second scenario, it sounds like the referee declared that the ball broke the plane of the goal line and called it a touchback.

The player's feet has nothing to do with it being a touchback or not. It is all about the ball.
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Ok. So if the ball bounces off the return man at the 5 and he covers it in the endzone it's a touchback because he never had possession in the field of play?
 
#154
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orangeslice13 said:
Ok. So if the ball bounces off the return man at the 5 and he covers it in the endzone it's a touchback because he never had possession in the field of play?
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Kinda. There wouldn't be a recovery in the end zone. Once it broke the plane of the goal line it would be dead and a touchback in this situation.
 
#158
#158
Is there any rule or guideline about what the officials do with the ball during a timeout when its raining? Usually the umpire will put the ball under his towel or they will change out the ball after the timeout, but the crew we had a few weeks didn't do this they left the ball on the field.

This isn't rules related but do the officials rotate what position the work from week to week?
 
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tbwhhs said:
Is there any rule or guideline about what the officials do with the ball during a timeout when its raining? Usually the umpire will put the ball under his towel or they will change out the ball after the timeout, but the crew we had a few weeks didn't do this they left the ball on the field.

This isn't rules related but do the officials rotate what position the work from week to week?
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There is nothing specific about what to do when it is raining. Most will try and keep the ball covered. This is crew and/or umpire specific.

As far as positions. Some always work the same and some work multiple positions. Just depends on where you are at and what your abilities are.
 
#160
#160
I have also found that the mechanics for a 7 man crew is really making it harder to swap out balls between plays. (because there are not ball boys on BOTH sides of the field.)
Thoughts, footballref??
 
#161
#161
In the middle school game tonight the ref called a td and blew the play dead at the 5. Oops

In high school how would you proceed?
 
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#162
orangeslice13 said:
In tonight's middle school game the Bucs returned the kick off to start the 2nd half for a touch down.


Small problem


The refs had not returned to the field.


The teams lined up.


The ball was kicked and returned


The clock ran.

Nobody noticed the lack of refs till the teams lined up for the conversion.











You can't make this shat up.
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From the same game.
 
#163
#163
FR,

PI in the end zone. The play was from the 15. It was rulled half the distance to the goal, repeat 2nd down.

I thought it was a PF was an auto 1st down, and from the 2 because the fowl happened in the end zone.

What's the correct call there?
 
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#164
I know that the auto first down has been changed from 2012. It is no longer an automatic first down, nor is it a loss of down for offensive PI.
There is also never an "automatic spot" in high school football, it is either 15 yds for PI or 1/2 distance which ever is assess-able.
 
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@AlcoVol said:
I have also found that the mechanics for a 7 man crew is really making it harder to swap out balls between plays. (because there are not ball boys on BOTH sides of the field.)
Thoughts, footballref??
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It is also a learning process for most of us. It is just something new that is going to take a little getting used to for everyone involved.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
In the middle school game tonight the ref called a td and blew the play dead at the 5. Oops

In high school how would you proceed?
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Inadverdant whistle. Team in possession when this happens has the option to take the result of the play or replay the down.

As an official this is the one thing you don't want to happen.....but it happens.
 
#167
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orangeslice13 said:
FR,

PI in the end zone. The play was from the 15. It was rulled half the distance to the goal, repeat 2nd down.

I thought it was a PF was an auto 1st down, and from the 2 because the fowl happened in the end zone.

What's the correct call there?
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I think you have several rules mixed up here (college and high school).

High school is no longer an automatic first down for pass interference. If the yardage didn't get the team a 1st the you replay the previous down. In high school there is no such thing as taking the ball to the 2 yard line unless that is half the distance or where the ball will end up at the end of the penalty enforcement.
 
#168
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@AlcoVol said:
I know that the auto first down has been changed from 2012. It is no longer an automatic first down, nor is it a loss of down for offensive PI.
There is also never an "automatic spot" in high school football, it is either 15 yds for PI or 1/2 distance which ever is assess-able.
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^^This^^
 
#169
#169
I've got two questions. One, and this has intrigued me for a while, how and when is the half the distance to the goal invoked? I have never known the rule for when you apply half the distance versus the full distance.

Also, why is there a rule for hurdling in high school. I've never really understood that rule and we we have it. Is that rule for all states - I believe yes because isn't there one rule governing body for HS rules?
 
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jps2194 said:
I've got two questions. One, and this has intrigued me for a while, how and when is the half the distance to the goal invoked? I have never known the rule for when you apply half the distance versus the full distance.

Also, why is there a rule for hurdling in high school. I've never really understood that rule and we we have it. Is that rule for all states - I believe yes because isn't there one rule governing body for HS rules?
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I should have asked this.

2weeks ago in Boyd Vs. South Pitt a SP player jumpped over the line to block an extra point. People around me people around me started yelling at the refs. I was impressed with the Vertical leap.

If a player jumps the line and touches nobody on the way over is it a penalty?
 
#171
#171
Footnote: he tried it again later and had his legs shoved out from under him and landed hard. That's why you should only try that once.
 
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jps2194 said:
I've got two questions. One, and this has intrigued me for a while, how and when is the half the distance to the goal invoked? I have never known the rule for when you apply half the distance versus the full distance.

Also, why is there a rule for hurdling in high school. I've never really understood that rule and we we have it. Is that rule for all states - I believe yes because isn't there one rule governing body for HS rules?
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If the penalty yardage takes you more than half the distance to the end zone then you go half the distance.

5 yard penalty - if you are enforcing from inside the 10 then you go half the distance

10 yard - inside the 20

15 yard - inside the 30.

Make sense?

I can't answer why the hurdling rule. I believe it is for safety.

48 of the 50 states play by the same basic rules. Sometimes you will see state test rules out for a year or 2 and be different. Texas and Massachusetts are the only states that play by NCAA rules and not NFHS.
 
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#173
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orangeslice13 said:
I should have asked this.

2weeks ago in Boyd Vs. South Pitt a SP player jumpped over the line to block an extra point. People around me people around me started yelling at the refs. I was impressed with the Vertical leap.

If a player jumps the line and touches nobody on the way over is it a penalty?
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Rule 2-22

Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump (hurdle) with one or both feet or
knees foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of
his body except one or both feet.
 
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