Highlights: Passing game vs Austin Peay

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illvol said:
Thanks for that. I wasn’t able to see the first half. I’m not nearly as worried now as I was after all of the posts. It’s not like Milton was air balling receivers by 8 or 10 yards or throwing short into the dirt. He was hitting most where they could still get two hands on the ball albeit not where they were expecting it. At this level, I feel, never having played the position, if it hits you in both hands you SHOULD have a high probability of securing a catch…but we didn’t on most of those “bad balls” and still didn’t on several that were put on the money. Seems like, again…to me, it was an off day possibly brought on by overlooking a bad team and assuming we can sleep walk through the game and still win convincingly. Which we did.

On to the gators!!!!
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Yes, thanks to OP for putting together this set of highlights. I had to listen to the game on VRN and the gloom and doom around Milton was thick and palpable. First five incompletes all should have been caught. They weren't all perfect but, out of that set, all were catchable balls. Absolutely nothing wrong with Milton. The WR room needs a Bull Durham "scare 'em" sequence. I dread to think what Peyton Manning would have done on the Colts if his receivers didn't catch those throws.
 
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Now yall go back and watch the video again. You all saying it's on the receivers because they DROPPED the balls. There is something called touch, hitting receivers in stride and leading your receiver. And that was exactly Joe's problem, he can't hit his guys in stride, they are BEHIND the wr. I played WR and agree that if a ball hits your hands, that you should come down with it, ESPECIALLY with sticky gloves, but it's not always the case.

A lot of these throws are designed to hit the wr in stride, so when you're running your route and Joe launches the ball behind you, you end up REACHING out and slapping the ball or jumping and reaching, which ends up more of a reaction than a catch attempt.

For those who never played. Imagine running a slant route at x amount of speed and Joe launches the ball even just 2 ft behind you (which is in arms length) at 90mph. Your arm fully extends the opposite direction and the ball bounces off your finger tips or palm because you can't 1 hand catch straight missiles. OR the ball is thrown high AND behind you and you have to make adjustments mid air, like twisting and flexing while getting hit at same time. Yes, it's football and you have to make plays, but it's harder when ball placement is off.
That's the case in these first 8-9 passes.. There is a pass that would have been a TD if Joe hit his receiver in stride, but again throws it behind the Wr and the defender swats it down. And another TD Joe over throws out of the corner of endzone.
Even the announcers are calling out the passes as they happen.
THORNTON should have caught his ball without a doubt though.

At the 4:30 mark, he checks down to RB Wright, who is probably 6 yards in front of him and it's still a high ball. A receiver shouldn't have to jump at 6 yards.

This is why Heupel went to the bubble screen type throws to the sidelines. It's a straight throw that Joe can make and less likely to throw behind a moving target.


I think this is Joe still learning touch. He used to over throw, now he under throws. We seen it a lot in the Virginia game too. The TD in the endzone should have been a high ball and it hits the defender in the back of the head. The deep ball to Keyton, that everyone talked about. Underthrown as well.

Bottom line is, Joe has to hit his receivers in stride.
 
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I'm not in the "change QBs" camp,. but watching the footage, I don't understand not being able to admit that the struggles with accuracy and touch on passes lead to a number of the offensive breakdowns. Are some of the drops on the receivers? Sure. But there's a number of plays where a better pass would have significantly increased the odds that the receivers could make the catch. Some of those passes didn't need to be bullets. Some of them needed to come out sooner with more air. I don't know why that's so controversial to say. I don't know why the receivers should be on the hook for every miscue, and have to clean up every mess. But. We'll see. Florida will show us a lot about which way Tennessee's going to go.

Again, not a situation that needs a change. I just don't think saying "the receivers should have just caught them anyway" is being honest on a number of those throws.
 
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Voltopia said:
I'm not in the "change QBs" camp,. but watching the footage, I don't understand not being able to admit that the struggles with accuracy and touch on passes lead to a number of the offensive breakdowns. Are some of the drops on the receivers? Sure. But there's a number of plays where a better pass, more air, quicker release, whatever, would have significantly increased the odds that the receivers could make the catch. Some of those passes didn't need to be bullets. Some of them needed to come out sooner with more air. I don't know why that's so controversial to say. I don't know why the receivers should be on the hook for every miscue, and have to clean up every mess. But. We'll see. Florida will show us a lot about which way Tennessee's going to go.

Again, not a situation that needs a change. I just don't think saying "the receivers should have just caught them anyway" is being honest on a number of those throws.
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Peyton Manning disagrees.
 
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Voltopia said:
I'm not in the "change QBs" camp,. but watching the footage, I don't understand not being able to admit that the struggles with accuracy and touch on passes lead to a number of the offensive breakdowns. Are some of the drops on the receivers? Sure. But there's a number of plays where a better pass would have significantly increased the odds that the receivers could make the catch. Some of those passes didn't need to be bullets. Some of them needed to come out sooner with more air. I don't know why that's so controversial to say. I don't know why the receivers should be on the hook for every miscue, and have to clean up every mess. But. We'll see. Florida will show us a lot about which way Tennessee's going to go.

Again, not a situation that needs a change. I just don't think saying "the receivers should have just caught them anyway" is being honest on a number of those throws.
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I think it's fair to say that we need Milton to be a little more accurate, but we also need our receivers to catch everything they can reach. Joe Milton isn't Tom Brady. Pinpoint accuracy isn't his strength. If he puts the ball within reach of his guy and out of the reach of the defender, then he's done all we can expect him to do.
 
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Volbrando said:
ok after watching that... there might have been more on the receivers than on Milton however it does look like he was throwing some cannons in the first half so they might have had a little too much heat on them

he had a couple of nice scrambles to get away from the pressure.... but honestly the amount of pressure AP was able to get on our QB is concerning to me.
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I believe our O Line issues were the catalyst for the issues we saw. AP defenders getting too close to Milton making him rush his mechanics and put too much on the ball to get it out quickly. Receivers not expecting the missile in some situations and not on target plus too hot in others.
 
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So 20 of his competitions were within 1yd of the line of scrimmage. Even the coach didn't trust his down field accuracy. He sure throws a rope to the screen though.
 
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thehardknoxlife said:
So 20 of his competitions were within 1yd of the line of scrimmage. Even the coach didn't trust his down field accuracy. He sure throws a rope to the screen though.
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If DBs are playing 10 yards off the line and you get 8-9 yards every time you throw it out there why would you do anything different?
 
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Evet Vols said:
If DBs are playing 10 yards off the line and you get 8-9 yards every time you throw it out there why would you do anything different?
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Yeah, that's the reason they were throwing screens. Cuz the mighty Austin Peay was taking away everything but the screen? C'mon man.

It's going to take a loss in Gainesville I guess. Milton sucks. You think he would have gotten it together by year 6. What is he, 25 now?
 
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thehardknoxlife said:
Yeah, that's the reason they were throwing screens. Cuz the mighty Austin Peay was taking away everything but the screen? C'mon man.

It's going to take a loss in Gainesville I guess. Milton sucks. You think he would have gotten it toge :rolleyes: ther by year 6. What is he, 25 now?
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Don't have a clue, eh?:rolleyes:
 
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thehardknoxlife said:
Yeah, that's the reason they were throwing screens. Cuz the mighty Austin Peay was taking away everything but the screen? C'mon man.

It's going to take a loss in Gainesville I guess. Milton sucks. You think he would have gotten it together by year 6. What is he, 25 now?
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I’m not sure what you guys want? Don’t run, don’t throw screens - just throw deep bombs over and over?? This isn’t Madden Xbox. Vols are 2-0 and look good. They have talent. Let’s beat the gators and keep winning. Geez
 
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Evet Vols said:
I’m not sure what you guys want? Don’t run, don’t throw screens - just throw deep bombs over and over?? This isn’t Madden Xbox. Vols are 2-0 and look good. They have talent. Let’s beat the gators and keep winning. Geez
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Bombs, bro he can't throw a simple slant. His bombs are way better than the passes that mean something.
 
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Evet Vols said:
I said he missed a couple throws. Majority of misses were his WRs and TEs dropping them.
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Oh so it nothing to do with being behind them coming 100mph. Gotcha.

The coach saw it. Did he even throw 5yds past the LOS the 2nd half? They didn't trust him in that game cuz it was so close. Have you guys never seen this before? When has Heupel ever let off the gas before 4th? Even the cupcake games he's thrown 2s and 3s out there and kept stretching the field. They went super conservative to protect the 20-6 lead. They didn't trust him.
 
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Bloodrunsorange27 said:
Thanks for posting the video.

After rewatching each pass, I saw two good throws that were on target and dropped by WR/RB. One was down the sideline to Thornton and the other was screen pass to Small.

All other drops were due to inaccurate throws and throws that were behind or short that allowed DBs to break up the pass.
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If the ball is within the frame if the body of the receiver, and they can touch it with both hands, it is not on the QB. Do you honestly think that every completion is on a perfect pass by the QB? Do you watch football? You are definitely one of an extreme minority that only saw two passes that were dropped and were the receivers fault. Take off the I want Nico shirt and watch the video again.
 
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thehardknoxlife said:
Oh so it nothing to do with being behind them coming 100mph. Gotcha.

The coach saw it. Did he even throw 5yds past the LOS the 2nd half? They didn't trust him in that game cuz it was so close. Have you guys never seen this before? When has Heupel ever let off the gas before 4th? Even the cupcake games he's thrown 2s and 3s out there and kept stretching the field. They went super conservative to protect the 20-6 lead. They didn't trust him.
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Dude, he never put his foot on the gas other than two series in the second half. The pace of this game was no where near what we normally run. We played vanilla against UVA, but still kept the tempo.
 
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VolForLife83 said:
Now yall go back and watch the video again. You all saying it's on the receivers because they DROPPED the balls. There is something called touch, hitting receivers in stride and leading your receiver. And that was exactly Joe's problem, he can't hit his guys in stride, they are BEHIND the wr. I played WR and agree that if a ball hits your hands, that you should come down with it, ESPECIALLY with sticky gloves, but it's not always the case.

A lot of these throws are designed to hit the wr in stride, so when you're running your route and Joe launches the ball behind you, you end up REACHING out and slapping the ball or jumping and reaching, which ends up more of a reaction than a catch attempt.

For those who never played. Imagine running a slant route at x amount of speed and Joe launches the ball even just 2 ft behind you (which is in arms length) at 90mph. Your arm fully extends the opposite direction and the ball bounces off your finger tips or palm because you can't 1 hand catch straight missiles. OR the ball is thrown high AND behind you and you have to make adjustments mid air, like twisting and flexing while getting hit at same time. Yes, it's football and you have to make plays, but it's harder when ball placement is off.
That's the case in these first 8-9 passes.. There is a pass that would have been a TD if Joe hit his receiver in stride, but again throws it behind the Wr and the defender swats it down. And another TD Joe over throws out of the corner of endzone.
Even the announcers are calling out the passes as they happen.
THORNTON should have caught his ball without a doubt though.

At the 4:30 mark, he checks down to RB Wright, who is probably 6 yards in front of him and it's still a high ball. A receiver shouldn't have to jump at 6 yards.

This is why Heupel went to the bubble screen type throws to the sidelines. It's a straight throw that Joe can make and less likely to throw behind a moving target.


I think this is Joe still learning touch. He used to over throw, now he under throws. We seen it a lot in the Virginia game too. The TD in the endzone should have been a high ball and it hits the defender in the back of the head. The deep ball to Keyton, that everyone talked about. Underthrown as well.

Bottom line is, Joe has to hit his receivers in stride.
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Bottom line is if it’s catchable you catch it most of the time. There were some very catchable balls that were dropped. We had two wrs drafted last year one of which had some history of drops. If these current wrs want to be drafted they need to learn to catch the ball. Now I’m not going to disagree with some of your points Milton can be more accurate and should be more accurate. A lot of kids were sitting out and the chemistry just wasn’t there, they game plan just wasn’t much either bc it didn’t need to be. I think and hope you see a different offense or then it will be time for concern.
 
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Pride85 said:
Dude, he never put his foot on the gas other than two series in the second half. The pace of this game was no where near what we normally run. We played vanilla against UVA, but still kept the tempo.
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He couldn't put the foot on the gas. How many times has Heupel throw 20 wr screens in a game? Keep making excuses, believe. I use to too. Milton sucks has for 6 years straight. The coach saw it, and made him throw screens the rest of the game to protect the lead.
 
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