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Kentucky will be back to winning 4-6 games a season when Mark Stoops leaves unless they make a great hire. I think if and when Mark Stoops leaves Kentucky will hire a retread,an up and coming mid-major head coach or a well thought of assistant.
If stoops is as bad as you say they would be 4-6 now. I don’t think he’s great I think he’s good for what he is given to work with. Huepel is good also but I think it’s more about he has three times the resources to work with. If Tennessee didn’t have a bye week they may very well still be ranked below Kentucky. Stoops will be at UK till he retires. It’s a perfect match. He may not ever win a national championship but he’s had Kentucky to where if they pull a miracle out against Georgia they would be in the playoffs. I’ll take that knowing what they used to be. Really they were worse than vandy. Kentucky is a basketball school 100%
 
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If stoops is as bad as you say they would be 4-6 now. I don’t think he’s great I think he’s good for what he is given to work with. Huepel is good also but I think it’s more about he has three times the resources to work with. If Tennessee didn’t have a bye week they may very well still be ranked below Kentucky. Stoops will be at UK till he retires. It’s a perfect match. He may not ever win a national championship but he’s had Kentucky to where if they pull a miracle out against Georgia they would be in the playoffs. I’ll take that knowing what they used to be. Really they were worse than vandy. Kentucky is a basketball school 100%
Stoops, by all accounts, likes KY and some of his shenanigans gets overlooked because, well, it’s KY.. but for the right money and opportunity he would leave. Imo
 
Stoops, by all accounts, likes KY and some of his shenanigans gets overlooked because, well, it’s KY.. but for the right money and opportunity he would leave. Imo
I don’t see anyone paying him something UK can’t match. I’ll say this the only way I can see him leaving is when Marrow takes a head coaching job somewhere . That will be the day it’s over with.
 
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I don’t see anyone paying him something UK can’t match. I’ll say this the only way I can see him leaving is when Marrow takes a head coaching job somewhere . That will be the day it’s over with.
But would Kentucky be willing to pay that seeing they are overwhelmingly pro basketball at Kentucky?
 
But would Kentucky be willing to pay that seeing they are overwhelmingly pro basketball at Kentucky?
They have been able to keep coaches from lsu. Brad white was offered by lsu and he turned it down to stay at UK. All three coaches got a pay raise. The program has funded new facilities that match any facility in the country. Stoops has accomplished a lot behind the scenes for the program. If he does leave then the next coach won’t have to spend 6 years trying to improve facilities. It had to be hard selling recruits to come practice in a old barn. It’s more than winning games he has actually made Kentucky a legit good program. Not great but good.I honestly think he’s just getting started but NIL may make it where it don’t matter anyway. Kentucky can’t keep up In that department. That’s the main thing tho is the players that play for stoops love him and aren’t there for the money they play hard for him even if they lose you know Kentucky is gonna play hard. Not fancy just simple hard nosed football and that is good enough at Kentucky. He has free reign. I don’t see him leaving for a program that has high standards and will put him on the hot seat after a few losses
 
Kentucky wildcat brings up a good point.
Can Stoops recruit at elite levels at a school that traditionally attracts elite talent like Auburn?
I have no doubt he can coach that level of talent, but can he get it on his team?
It will be interesting to see, when the time comes.
I don't see him staying. He has hit the ceiling at UK.
I think he has enough drive and ambition to reach for the next level, and he can only do that going to a different program, either in the B1G or ACC (probably the smarter move to consider Wisconsin, etc. with their easier route to the Playoffs or New Years Day bowl) or an SEC with football championship culture like Auburn. I think he wants to prove he is an elite coach, and he can't do that in Lexington.
It is easier to recruit at the B1G for his type of coaching.
 
Kentucky wildcat brings up a good point.
Can Stoops recruit at elite levels at a school that traditionally attracts elite talent like Auburn?
I have no doubt he can coach that level of talent, but can he get it on his team?
It will be interesting to see, when the time comes.
I don't see him staying. He has hit the ceiling at UK.
I think he has enough drive and ambition to reach for the next level, and he can only do that going to a different program, either in the B1G or ACC (probably the smarter move to consider Wisconsin, etc. with their easier route to the Playoffs or New Years Day bowl) or an SEC with football championship culture like Auburn. I think he wants to prove he is an elite coach, and he can't do that in Lexington.
It is easier to recruit at the B1G for his type of coaching.
Not a bad point but if he wants to prove he is elite why would he leave the SEC
 
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Kentucky wildcat brings up a good point.
Can Stoops recruit at elite levels at a school that traditionally attracts elite talent like Auburn?
I have no doubt he can coach that level of talent, but can he get it on his team?
It will be interesting to see, when the time comes.
I don't see him staying. He has hit the ceiling at UK.
I think he has enough drive and ambition to reach for the next level, and he can only do that going to a different program, either in the B1G or ACC (probably the smarter move to consider Wisconsin, etc. with their easier route to the Playoffs or New Years Day bowl) or an SEC with football championship culture like Auburn. I think he wants to prove he is an elite coach, and he can't do that in Lexington.
It is easier to recruit at the B1G for his type of coaching.
He chose to decline a holding penalty on 3rd down with Ole Piss in FG range….. 🤣
 
Not a bad point but if he wants to prove he is elite why would he leave the SEC
To have an opportunity to recruit better players and win more games. He could find a better landing spot within the SEC. The only clearly worse with regard to recruiting is Vandy. Everyone else has pools of talent close by that they can compete for.

However there are jobs in the Big 10 and ACC that are even more attractive from a recruiting and competition standpoint. Wisconsin for instance is close to a TON of untapped talent in the Chicago area. If someone could develop the right kind of pipeline there... they could build a really stout roster at Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, or Purdue. You'd really have to dominate it though. There are other opportunities where good talent is diluted.

I'm not sure he's a west coast kind of guy but there are definitely opportunities out there. CA essentially feeds talent to the whole conference. Win games and you can start hogging that talent like USC once did.
 
To have an opportunity to recruit better players and win more games. He could find a better landing spot within the SEC. The only clearly worse with regard to recruiting is Vandy. Everyone else has pools of talent close by that they can compete for.

However there are jobs in the Big 10 and ACC that are even more attractive from a recruiting and competition standpoint. Wisconsin for instance is close to a TON of untapped talent in the Chicago area. If someone could develop the right kind of pipeline there... they could build a really stout roster at Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, or Purdue. You'd really have to dominate it though. There are other opportunities where good talent is diluted.

I'm not sure he's a west coast kind of guy but there are definitely opportunities out there. CA essentially feeds talent to the whole conference. Win games and you can start hogging that talent like USC once did.
I just don’t see the draw when he’s already having succes in the sec at a school he built from the bottom. I don’t think he has hit his peek yet. This is literally the first year he has had more than one skill guy that they can go to on any play. He’s just now getting better recruits. Is that not obvious to see? I get hating Kentucky or saying Tennessee owns them from history but without bias and just purely football Stoops has done an amazing job in every aspect. Kentucky is a tough team In the sec. I just don’t see goin to Wisconsin or somewhere like that exciting for Stoops at all. Go to a program with a decent winning history and risk not living up to expectations or stay at program that was literally the worst in the sec and have them competing towards the top of the sec every year. I just don’t see why anyone would want to leave. Then like most of y’all on here y’all don’t think he is a good coach so who in the sec would snatch him up that is above Kentucky or level. I don’t see Tennessee auburn a&m ole miss Georgia Bama lsu Florida ms st paying stoops a boat load of money to leave Kentucky
 
He chose to decline a holding penalty on 3rd down with Ole Piss in FG range….. 🤣
Was the right call. He can’t help we tackled our own player on what would of been his second kick off return for a TD and fumbled two times inside the ten yard line within three minutes and had the game winning touchdown called back on a fake penalty. Tennessee fans will be the first to talk about sec refs on away games. That’s four tds the cats left on the field. That field goal was nothing. All of that after two missed extra points and a safety. Literally as bad as they could play and came back and won against number 14 on the road for the refs to call illegal motion on a slot receiver to take away the TD. Rewind to Tennessees bowl game last year. It happens just gotta move forward
 
I just don’t see the draw when he’s already having succes in the sec at a school he built from the bottom. I don’t think he has hit his peek yet.
It is almost certain that he has. Part of that is the simple reality of his recruiting situation. He has two traditional powers to the north and the whole SEC to the south. Just not a good situation to be in. The second and worse problem in that respect is that you had to know that UT, UF, and UGA weren't going to stay down forever. They pour too much into their programs. Those three programs being healthy doesn't leave much room for UK to truly contend for the East. That might be a bitter pill but unless UK fans suddenly support the kinds of investments being made by these other programs... he's not only hit his peak... he's headed for a descent.

This is literally the first year he has had more than one skill guy that they can go to on any play.
No it isn't. In fact he had more last year. Ali and Robinson at WR. Rodriguez and crew at RB. The OL was light years ahead. The fairly lofty expectations for Levis were based on what he did with the guys around him last year. Last year was the best UK team I have seen in my life time. This year's team cannot run the ball. It doesn't protect the QB well. The D is neither as talented or as effective. That's not to say they are a terrible team... but they aren't as good as they were last year.

He’s just now getting better recruits. Is that not obvious to see?
Well. No. Is he recruiting "better"? Marginally. But he isn't going to get the talent year in, year out to build a championship roster unless he's incredible at finding 3* gems. He's been great at developing players. He has built good teams around a few exceptional players. But a "great" year for UK in recruiting is when they rank in the top half of the SEC. The 2022 class was an anomaly. UK finished 5th in the SEC and had their first top 25 class in a long time. But typically they finish in the bottom 3rd. This year they would almost have to finish with all 4* players to climb into the top half of the SEC. That's highly unlikely. The On3 and 247 composites both have UK with 3 4*, 11 3*, and no 5*. If you were in the ACC or Big 10 then that's a pretty solid class. In the SEC... it puts you 10th or lower.

I get hating Kentucky
How is pointing out the realistic difficulties of UK's football program "hate"? A few years ago Mizzou won the East a couple of times. I live in MO and tried to warn their fans that their "success" was more the failure of UF, UGA, and UT all at once.... an extreme anomaly. UK would need the same thing to win the East. It seems to be heading in the other direction now for UT and UGA and maybe UF.

or saying Tennessee owns them from history but without bias and just purely football Stoops has done an amazing job in every aspect.
Stoops has done a very, very good job. There is a ceiling on UK in football due to recruiting and commitment.

Kentucky is a tough team In the sec. I just don’t see goin to Wisconsin or somewhere like that exciting for Stoops at all.
At Wisconsin, he could take teams similar to the ones he's produced at UK and win his division almost every year. They're divided into East and West. The West is weak and ripe for the picking. Roll through that division then you get into the playoffs with one loss even if you lose a competitive championship game vs OSU/Mich/PSU.

Go to a program with a decent winning history and risk not living up to expectations or stay at program that was literally the worst in the sec and have them competing towards the top of the sec every year.
Their not competing "towards the top" and their prospects are even worse in the coming years. That's not "hate". That's reality. Wisconsin has a good history AND he has the talent to get them back to where they expect to be. That's just one. What could he do with the talent available within a 3 hour drive of Maryland or Va Tech? UCLA? How about a Texas school? He could absolutely take a group of 5 program in Florida and make the expanded playoff routinely if he chose to do that.

I just don’t see why anyone would want to leave.
Personally, he may not. No one here can speak to what motivates him in that regard. Coaching wise, he's a capable coach who has better opportunities to win games and championships elsewhere.

Then like most of y’all on here y’all don’t think he is a good coach so who in the sec would snatch him up that is above Kentucky or level. I don’t see Tennessee auburn a&m ole miss Georgia Bama lsu Florida ms st paying stoops a boat load of money to leave Kentucky
I think he's a very good coach in limited situation. I am frankly surprised he wasn't more of a candidate for UT and some of the others. A&M isn't going to buy a mule even though their show horse can't pull a plow. If Stoops keeps beating UF... don't be surprised if they come calling. Honestly, his coaching ability with all that Florida talent would be scary.
 
It is almost certain that he has. Part of that is the simple reality of his recruiting situation. He has two traditional powers to the north and the whole SEC to the south. Just not a good situation to be in. The second and worse problem in that respect is that you had to know that UT, UF, and UGA weren't going to stay down forever. They pour too much into their programs. Those three programs being healthy doesn't leave much room for UK to truly contend for the East. That might be a bitter pill but unless UK fans suddenly support the kinds of investments being made by these other programs... he's not only hit his peak... he's headed for a descent.

No it isn't. In fact he had more last year. Ali and Robinson at WR. Rodriguez and crew at RB. The OL was light years ahead. The fairly lofty expectations for Levis were based on what he did with the guys around him last year. Last year was the best UK team I have seen in my life time. This year's team cannot run the ball. It doesn't protect the QB well. The D is neither as talented or as effective. That's not to say they are a terrible team... but they aren't as good as they were last year.

Well. No. Is he recruiting "better"? Marginally. But he isn't going to get the talent year in, year out to build a championship roster unless he's incredible at finding 3* gems. He's been great at developing players. He has built good teams around a few exceptional players. But a "great" year for UK in recruiting is when they rank in the top half of the SEC. The 2022 class was an anomaly. UK finished 5th in the SEC and had their first top 25 class in a long time. But typically they finish in the bottom 3rd. This year they would almost have to finish with all 4* players to climb into the top half of the SEC. That's highly unlikely. The On3 and 247 composites both have UK with 3 4*, 11 3*, and no 5*. If you were in the ACC or Big 10 then that's a pretty solid class. In the SEC... it puts you 10th or lower.

How is pointing out the realistic difficulties of UK's football program "hate"? A few years ago Mizzou won the East a couple of times. I live in MO and tried to warn their fans that their "success" was more the failure of UF, UGA, and UT all at once.... an extreme anomaly. UK would need the same thing to win the East. It seems to be heading in the other direction now for UT and UGA and maybe UF.

Stoops has done a very, very good job. There is a ceiling on UK in football due to recruiting and commitment.

At Wisconsin, he could take teams similar to the ones he's produced at UK and win his division almost every year. They're divided into East and West. The West is weak and ripe for the picking. Roll through that division then you get into the playoffs with one loss even if you lose a competitive championship game vs OSU/Mich/PSU.

Their not competing "towards the top" and their prospects are even worse in the coming years. That's not "hate". That's reality. Wisconsin has a good history AND he has the talent to get them back to where they expect to be. That's just one. What could he do with the talent available within a 3 hour drive of Maryland or Va Tech? UCLA? How about a Texas school? He could absolutely take a group of 5 program in Florida and make the expanded playoff routinely if he chose to do that.

Personally, he may not. No one here can speak to what motivates him in that regard. Coaching wise, he's a capable coach who has better opportunities to win games and championships elsewhere.


I think he's a very good coach in limited situation. I am frankly surprised he wasn't more of a candidate for UT and some of the others. A&M isn't going to buy a mule even though their show horse can't pull a plow. If Stoops keeps beating UF... don't be surprised if they come calling. Honestly, his coaching ability with all that Florida talent would be scary.
Well idk man I sat on the toilet dumping while the shower was running and the water is cold now just reading your response. So after all that I have to agree with everything you said out of respect because that was one good breakdown without being a crazy ass
 
Well idk man I sat on the toilet dumping while the shower was running and the water is cold now just reading your response. So after all that I have to agree with everything you said out of respect because that was one good breakdown without being a crazy ass
No way you think Ali and Robinson are close to Key Robinson Brown Magwood and the four tight ends. Upshaw was injured last year
 
It is almost certain that he has. Part of that is the simple reality of his recruiting situation. He has two traditional powers to the north and the whole SEC to the south. Just not a good situation to be in. The second and worse problem in that respect is that you had to know that UT, UF, and UGA weren't going to stay down forever. They pour too much into their programs. Those three programs being healthy doesn't leave much room for UK to truly contend for the East. That might be a bitter pill but unless UK fans suddenly support the kinds of investments being made by these other programs... he's not only hit his peak... he's headed for a descent.

No it isn't. In fact he had more last year. Ali and Robinson at WR. Rodriguez and crew at RB. The OL was light years ahead. The fairly lofty expectations for Levis were based on what he did with the guys around him last year. Last year was the best UK team I have seen in my life time. This year's team cannot run the ball. It doesn't protect the QB well. The D is neither as talented or as effective. That's not to say they are a terrible team... but they aren't as good as they were last year.

Well. No. Is he recruiting "better"? Marginally. But he isn't going to get the talent year in, year out to build a championship roster unless he's incredible at finding 3* gems. He's been great at developing players. He has built good teams around a few exceptional players. But a "great" year for UK in recruiting is when they rank in the top half of the SEC. The 2022 class was an anomaly. UK finished 5th in the SEC and had their first top 25 class in a long time. But typically they finish in the bottom 3rd. This year they would almost have to finish with all 4* players to climb into the top half of the SEC. That's highly unlikely. The On3 and 247 composites both have UK with 3 4*, 11 3*, and no 5*. If you were in the ACC or Big 10 then that's a pretty solid class. In the SEC... it puts you 10th or lower.

How is pointing out the realistic difficulties of UK's football program "hate"? A few years ago Mizzou won the East a couple of times. I live in MO and tried to warn their fans that their "success" was more the failure of UF, UGA, and UT all at once.... an extreme anomaly. UK would need the same thing to win the East. It seems to be heading in the other direction now for UT and UGA and maybe UF.

Stoops has done a very, very good job. There is a ceiling on UK in football due to recruiting and commitment.

At Wisconsin, he could take teams similar to the ones he's produced at UK and win his division almost every year. They're divided into East and West. The West is weak and ripe for the picking. Roll through that division then you get into the playoffs with one loss even if you lose a competitive championship game vs OSU/Mich/PSU.

Their not competing "towards the top" and their prospects are even worse in the coming years. That's not "hate". That's reality. Wisconsin has a good history AND he has the talent to get them back to where they expect to be. That's just one. What could he do with the talent available within a 3 hour drive of Maryland or Va Tech? UCLA? How about a Texas school? He could absolutely take a group of 5 program in Florida and make the expanded playoff routinely if he chose to do that.

Personally, he may not. No one here can speak to what motivates him in that regard. Coaching wise, he's a capable coach who has better opportunities to win games and championships elsewhere.


I think he's a very good coach in limited situation. I am frankly surprised he wasn't more of a candidate for UT and some of the others. A&M isn't going to buy a mule even though their show horse can't pull a plow. If Stoops keeps beating UF... don't be surprised if they come calling. Honestly, his coaching ability with all that Florida talent would be scary.
and how is finishing second in the East quite often now competing near the top? The next step is the top. Not a bottom feeder anymore at all
 
Was the right call. He can’t help we tackled our own player on what would of been his second kick off return for a TD and fumbled two times inside the ten yard line within three minutes and had the game winning touchdown called back on a fake penalty. Tennessee fans will be the first to talk about sec refs on away games. That’s four tds the cats left on the field. That field goal was nothing. All of that after two missed extra points and a safety. Literally as bad as they could play and came back and won against number 14 on the road for the refs to call illegal motion on a slot receiver to take away the TD. Rewind to Tennessees bowl game last year. It happens just gotta move forward
Five plays like that equals coaching genius. Just like when Florida beat Stoops two years in a row because he forgot to send out an11th player on defense to cover a wide open WR
 

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