Hippie’s postgame report

[Volinnooga]

Bottom line, if CRB plays Powell instead of Bailey , the Vols beat Bama. Barnes lost another game due to his “ stubbornness “ of thinking Baileys defense gives us a better chance to win than Powell’s offense. We lost the game because the players Barnes had on the court the last 4 minutes of the game couldn’t throw the ball in the ocean . Our best shooter, probably one of the SEC’s best pure shooters, watched from the bench.

You have no way to prove that the Vols would have won if Powell had played in Bailey’s place. You are just inserting your belief and converting that to a guaranteed win. That’s pure speculation.

 

[vol81]

He. Was. Sick.
As was JJJ.

 

[ColinS]

I don’t normally do these. I leave it to the resident experts. But I feel like I have some things to say they might calm the masses, or even ignite the flames.

1. That’s a TOUGH loss. Mainly because when the news spread we were missing our offensive spark plug (KC) and our floor leader (Fulk) many wrote us off. I got numerous texts from friends about how if we just compete they’d be happy. Now they’re texting me pissed off that Barnes blew that game. I personally think Barnes out coached Oats all night long. My only gripe is how I’d much rather have Powell shoot that late shot > Vic Bailey. Did Bailey play great? Eh, I’d say average at best but he wasn’t bad and certainly didn’t cost us that game. Obviously you want Powell in there but I’ll just say there’s likely a reason a seasoned coach like Barnes didn’t have him out there.

2. The switch to the 2-3 absolutely threw Bama off for a while and another reason I’m going Barnes coaching job > Oats coaching job for this game. Bama struggled big time at the beginning of the switch and hit a few late. Barnes switched when he called a TO. Rebounding did struggle a bit out of the zone.

3. Uros Plavsic absolutely proved he can be a solid piece to this team. I’m tired of hearing about BHH > Plavsic because I’m really just not seeing it. BHH has the better offensive game but I’d put every other asset to Plav. Plav had 6p 9r and was +5 in 20min. Tonight.
BHH has 8p 2r and was -5 in 15 minutes. If Plav plays like he did tonight I don’t see any argument BHH should play more.

4. JJJ didn’t have his best night overall but it’s quite obvious he’s probably as integral as a piece can be for this team. His communication and toughness on defense and rebounding is something that puts us at a higher level. He’s never going to be a 15ppg kind of guy and that’s fine. He does his job and knows his role. I’m fine if he keeps shooting.

Overall this loss stings because, as I said many said we didn’t stand a chance and we HAD the game in our grasp and didn’t close it out. If we have KC and Fulk I see no reason we wouldn’t have went in there and won by 8-10 points. This team isn’t bad, they’re not badly coached and everything is okay. We play Ole Miss one week from today (If Covid doesn’t ruin stuff) and I’m sure this team will be well above .500 in SEC play. Enjoy the ride because after Barnes we won’t likely always be a top 25 team.

GBO.

Number 2. The zone was good for a few possessions but it was part of what ultimately cost us the game. After Bama made their adjustments it was time to get out of it. They got two wide open threes and a couple of easy put backs late in the game because we struggled to rebound out of it.

 

[njvols]

Powell had a lower ORtg than Bailey last night according to KenPom. And KenPom
Knows his stuff. What did Powell bring in that second half?

It seems pretty obvious to me that really the only guys who can actually create their own shots are Chandler and Zeigler consistently, and passes off their moves. Fulk and Nkamhoua and Santi on certain nights, but both Powell and Bailey struggle w/ men in their face. You put a rangy athlete who defends the 3 line on Santi and he struggles. Powell badly missed a needed wide open 3 down the stretch also, so it's not a foregone conclusion he'd have made Bailey's shot. I think lost in the missing offense dialog is Chandlers D.

Hate to lose to Bama but it's an early conference loss. Other teams who aren't as deep will have players out too this season, and tonight showed we can pretty much play with anyone w/o even our best two players. I think we'll be fine...but UGH...we had this game.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

How is it a bunch of crap?

Because it is based on data and @1985Vols operates on emotion and hypothetical scenarios which always point to CRB being a bad coach vs. the reality that most reasonable posters said it would be tough for us to even be competitive against a Top 20 team on their homecourt without 2 of our starters.

 

[Vols8086]

As someone who doesn't mind criticizing Barnes, last night isn't a reason to criticize him. Down 2 of our most important players, on the road, top 20 opponent...I thought it was an excellent showing by the team. Disappointing outcome for sure, but there is a lot to like about the team.

On another note, whoever found ZZ and got him here earned their pay. That kid is going to have an Admiral level impact on the program of being a very good 4 year player. Those are the type of kids you need to have here if your program is going to make a run in March.

 

[ColinS]

When the two worst shooters on the team (JJJ and Bailey) take all the shots in the Final three minutes of the game and Bama shoots wide open threes against a zone defense that we have barely played all season that's not good coaching. Stop making excuses for Barnes. He blew it last night. Great effort by our players under very tough circumstances.

 

[1985Vols]

You have no way to prove that the Vols would have won if Powell had played in Bailey’s place. You are just inserting your belief and converting that to a guaranteed win. That’s pure speculation.

It’s called an opinion. Isn’t what everyone does on here ? Posts their “ opinion”?

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

This too. Barnes rotations have been frustrating all season. He really outcoaches himself because he is so concerned about defense that he puts 5 players on the floor that can’t buy a bucket when you need one. One reason he will never take us past the sweet 16 IMO. Im all fo great defense, but if you’re up 5 points with a few minutes to play and can’t score any more points you’re probably going to lose. Powell would have drained the corner 3 that Bailey missed in the last minute of the game

Did he outcoach himself in the AZ game too? Lol

Amazing how someone who constantly tries to gaslight everyone that basketball is a tournament sport and the regular season doesn't matter spends so much time focusing on regular season losses in lame attempts to make CRB look bad (hint: NONE of our losses so far will be considered a bad loss by the Committee).

 

[walkenvol]

Wonder if this forum would be so negative if we had lost by 20?

The SEC champ won’t be undefeated in league play.

Bama doesn’t look as strong as last year and isn’t likely to win the SEC.

We nearly won a game all of us expected to lose with the 2 missing players and rumors of 2 others playing ill.

The SEC is going to be brutal so buckle up your big boy pants.

 

[1985Vols]

Did he outcoached himself in the AZ game too? Lol

Amazing how someone who constantly tries to gaslight everyone that basketball is a tournament sport and the regular season doesn't matter spends so much time focusing on regular season losses in lame attempts to make CRB look bad (hint: NONE of our losses so far will be considered a bad loss by the Committee).

I stand by my statement that BB is a tourney sport. Get back to me in March after CRB plays Plavisc over BHH and Bailey over Powell in a second round NCAAT game where we shoot 5 of 30 from 3 and get ousted

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The same posters bitching about going zone would be bitching that they weren’t in a zone while players fouled out playing M2M.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

It’s called an opinion. Isn’t what everyone does on here ? Posts their “ opinion”?

I now understand why you struggle so much on here given you lack the ability to discern the difference between facts and opinions

Powell had a lower ORtg than Bailey last night according to KenPom. And KenPom
Knows his stuff. What did Powell bring in that second half?

The O/R ranking is a bunch of crap for the most part. Hard to “ bring” anything from the bench

 

[bleedingTNorange]

When the two worst shooters on the team (JJJ and Bailey) take all the shots in the Final three minutes of the game and Bama shoots wide open threes against a zone defense that we have barely played all season that's not good coaching. Stop making excuses for Barnes. He blew it last night. Great effort by our players under very tough circumstances.

Who got the team the lead, and held it almost all game? No credit to coaches, just blame for loss?

 

[Volinnooga]

It’s called an opinion. Isn’t what everyone does on here ? Posts their “ opinion”?

Absolutely that’s what this board is for. But that wasn’t an opinion. It was a clear “ we would have won if….” Stated as a fact, not an opinion. That’s what I tried to point out.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

I stand by my statement that BB is a tourney sport. Get back to me in March after CRB plays Plavisc over BHH and Bailey over Powell in a second round NCAAT game where we shoot 5 of 30 from 3 and get ousted

Then stop showing your hypocrisy and ignorance by obsessing over regular season losses that will not be viewed as bad losses by the Committee.

 

[lostsheep]

The same posters bitching about going zone would be bitching that they weren’t in a zone while players fouled out playing M2M.

Exactly. That's how most of VN rolls.

 

[mtvols]

Powell had a lower ORtg than Bailey last night according to KenPom. And KenPom
Knows his stuff. What did Powell bring in that second half?

Nothing because he rarely played!

 

[savannahfan]

I don’t normally do these. I leave it to the resident experts. But I feel like I have some things to say they might calm the masses, or even ignite the flames.

1. That’s a TOUGH loss. Mainly because when the news spread we were missing our offensive spark plug (KC) and our floor leader (Fulk) many wrote us off. I got numerous texts from friends about how if we just compete they’d be happy. Now they’re texting me pissed off that Barnes blew that game. I personally think Barnes out coached Oats all night long. My only gripe is how I’d much rather have Powell shoot that late shot > Vic Bailey. Did Bailey play great? Eh, I’d say average at best but he wasn’t bad and certainly didn’t cost us that game. Obviously you want Powell in there but I’ll just say there’s likely a reason a seasoned coach like Barnes didn’t have him out there.

2. The switch to the 2-3 absolutely threw Bama off for a while and another reason I’m going Barnes coaching job > Oats coaching job for this game. Bama struggled big time at the beginning of the switch and hit a few late. Barnes switched when he called a TO. Rebounding did struggle a bit out of the zone.

3. Uros Plavsic absolutely proved he can be a solid piece to this team. I’m tired of hearing about BHH > Plavsic because I’m really just not seeing it. BHH has the better offensive game but I’d put every other asset to Plav. Plav had 6p 9r and was +5 in 20min. Tonight.
BHH has 8p 2r and was -5 in 15 minutes. If Plav plays like he did tonight I don’t see any argument BHH should play more.

4. JJJ didn’t have his best night overall but it’s quite obvious he’s probably as integral as a piece can be for this team. His communication and toughness on defense and rebounding is something that puts us at a higher level. He’s never going to be a 15ppg kind of guy and that’s fine. He does his job and knows his role. I’m fine if he keeps shooting.

Overall this loss stings because, as I said many said we didn’t stand a chance and we HAD the game in our grasp and didn’t close it out. If we have KC and Fulk I see no reason we wouldn’t have went in there and won by 8-10 points. This team isn’t bad, they’re not badly coached and everything is okay. We play Ole Miss one week from today (If Covid doesn’t ruin stuff) and I’m sure this team will be well above .500 in SEC play. Enjoy the ride because after Barnes we won’t likely always be a top 25 team.

GBO.

Always being a defensive team is like "playing not to lose" as I see it. Playing this way off and on (as the flow of the game dictates) is fine. But in the last minutes of a close game I feel you must go offensive. Staying defense dominant: leaves you without the ability to score as well as you are able to do. Being defensive makes drawing fouls easer for the opponent. (who should have the ball for longer periods of time) Being defensive takes more time to set up for really good shots. (those are good shots which can be made or draw fouls and win close games late - defensive is a one way street you keep the other team from scoring leaving you with the weak chance of scoring and winning) For me being defensive late in games is like playing "prevent defensive" in a football game. It hardly ever works out like you wish in a game that is close.

 

[1985Vols]

Then stop showing your hypocrisy and ignorance by obsessing over regular season losses that will not be viewed as bad losses by the Committee.

I’m not “ obsessing “, again, just because I state my opinion that player personnel coaching decisions lost this game is again, just my opinion. Isn’t that what these threads are for, everyone states their opinion?

 

[Clad in Big Orange]

Bama has to be the most fortunate school in the history of sports. Man, I loathe them.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Bottom line, if CRB plays Powell instead of Bailey , the Vols beat Bama. Barnes lost another game due to his “ stubbornness “ of thinking Baileys defense gives us a better chance to win than Powell’s offense. We lost the game because the players Barnes had on the court the last 4 minutes of the game couldn’t throw the ball in the ocean . Our best shooter, probably one of the SEC’s best pure shooters, watched from the bench.

Speculation. However, you may be right. I don’t know what had happened during preparation for the game or any details of the team’s health. Therefore I refuse to speculate on the coaches decisions

 

[BreatheUT]

That loss counts as two if we’re battling Bama for the SEC championship.

Good point but that team we faced last night won't be battling for the SEC championship. I was not impressed. We snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and gave them one.

 

[ColinS]

The same posters bitching about going zone would be bitching that they weren’t in a zone while players fouled out playing M2M.

You are unbelievable. You are never coming off of the Barnes is perfect stance no matter what. At this point all the rest of us can do is sit back and laugh at your ridiculous takes. You are literally on here defending the Bailey shot at the end. If you had an ounce of credibility it's gone right there.

 

[ColinS]

Who got the team the lead, and held it almost all game? No credit to coaches, just blame for loss?

In one of my in game threads I mentioned that we got the best and the worst of Barnes all wrapped up in one game. I don't completely disagree here.