Holly Goes To School

[pasadenavol]

You guys are just a bunch of negas. Either support our coach or just stop trying to pretend to be a real VFL.

Prime example of the blind leading the blind. I'm sure if Holly lead you off the side of a cliff you'd follow just because she's the coach. This is the reason Hart won't make a change...foolish fans like you living in the past instead of looking to the future...

 

[pasadenavol]

Side note - it's not just Holly. I get that she runs the team, but unless she tells her assistant coaches to shut it, I would think they would have some input. Lockwood's been an assistant at Tennessee for 11 years so he had 8 or so years under Pat. Elzy and Law have only been with the program since 2012 so there was not really any overlap with Pat, although Elzy has experience as a player.

Point is, why do people think Elzy is a better choice to coach now? Has anyone heard her talk about how she would coach offense and defense in the past?

I get people want a change toot sweet, but what options exist that would be better than where we are at now? we did play great for a 5 minute stretch in the 4th quarter. Why not build on that to turn 5 minutes in to 10 into 20 into an entire game?

There is one reason for that...Jaime Nared. Sure as hell isn't Holly Warlick.

 

[teacherdean]

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When you have a coach who says she does not know how to correct the issues at hand and throws her players under the bus by saying they do not follow her plan. In addition, the team has recruitment issues. It is difficult to back a coach who admits she, or he, cannot correct the current situation and have players that ignore their plans. Whose running the team, the coach or the players? If you listen to Holly it is the players.

 

[cwbytruckers]

The players-You say we can make a final four. We just need to work on our defense. But what can you tell us that will work?


Holly- Well I did stay at a holiday Inn last night.

 

[creekdipper]

"toute de suite" It's French.

Actually, his spelling was accurate.

His subconscious self was indicating that the season thus far & the comments here have driven him to substance abuse.

 

[tallvolball98]

I agree with everything you wrote Voldon18, but we need to change the head coach by the end of the year if not sooner. I would be surprised if Holly can see the handwriting on the wall. We need a real go getter with a heavy basketball IQ. In the words by that great master mind, Donald Trump, Holly is low energy.

And a glaring stare!

 

[tallvolball98]

I support UT Women's Basketball now and forever !!!

I am pretty sure we all do. But something has to change

 

[LostinMillersCave]

Have a holly jolly Christmas, its the worst time of the year.

 

[Rickster]

I am pretty sure we all do. But something has to change

I'm pretty sure there are a lot of supporters but not all by any means. I agree that something has to change but without first hand knowledge, I can only speculate which means absolutely nothing in the scheme of things.

 

[photovol]

No way it will take years for the LV program to recover from the total debacle that is Holly Warlick. The history of women's college basketball proves a program only needs one, maybe two, special players to achieve great things. Our history, fan base, facilities and campus will be a major draw for any young talent if we have an astute, detail-oriented coach in place. Holly isn't that person.

Let's get it started today, Warlick must go!

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

If Hart fires Warlick she could sue and would win. She has multiple SEC championships and is winning 80% of the time. No men's coach does that at UT and loses his job.

 

[armchair]

If Hart fires Warlick she could sue and would win. She has multiple SEC championships and is winning 80% of the time. No men's coach does that at UT and loses his job.

and we've had more talent than every team in the SEC since forever--though that is not true any longer as South Carolina is loaded. Still, let's not pretend for a second that Warlick's brilliant coaching is the reason UT has won the SEC. We've been winning the SEC for 35 years. And coaches get sacked all the time after winning league titles or whatever. The real question is are you over-achieving or under-achieving given your talent? We consistently under-achieve.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

and we've had more talent than every team in the SEC since forever--though that is not true any longer as South Carolina is loaded. Still, let's not pretend for a second that Warlick's brilliant coaching is the reason UT has won the SEC. We've been winning the SEC for 35 years. And coaches get sacked all the time after winning league titles or whatever. The real question is are you over-achieving or under-achieving given your talent? We consistently under-achieve.

Unless TN misses the NCAAT there's very little chance that Holly is fired this season. And it would probably take not getting in and failing as well in a follow up season. Then she could still possibly sue and win. But unless Hart was to really mess it up, I bet that Holly has enough class and love for TN to have an amicable parting.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

The expectations for this program are much higher than the SEC championship. The final 4 is what UT teams are measured against, fair, no just the way it is. They have already been knocked off that perch so if you want to lower expectations further then she has done a fantastic job. Recruits will make this decision for UT with their choice of school and the voting is looking pretty bad.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The expectations for this program are much higher than the SEC championship. The final 4 is what UT teams are measured against, fair, no just the way it is. They have already been knocked off that perch so if you want to lower expectations further then she has done a fantastic job. Recruits will make this decision for UT with their choice of school and the voting is looking pretty bad.

IMO the biggest reason that it's been a bad year in recruiting is because the roster is heavily laden with good sophomores and freshman. There's only what, one senior?

 

[WVU05UT09]

If Hart fires Warlick she could sue and would win. She has multiple SEC championships and is winning 80% of the time. No men's coach does that at UT and loses his job.

Sorry as an attorney I'm calling bullsh*t on this post. Can she make life difficult for UT? Sure. But there's absolutely no guarantee she would win. Like most of us she's employed at will and would have to have a slam dunk of gender discrimination which in my opinion she does not.

In five minutes I can come up with the argument that she coaches a historically dominant program and was hired under the premise she would return it to final four/championship status which she has not done therefore she was terminated.

Gender discrimination cases are notoriously hard to win and usually end up in settlement as it's the best the complainant can hope for in many cases absent bold face evidence.

 

[teacherdean]

Sorry as an attorney I'm calling bullsh*t on this post. Can she make life difficult for UT? Sure. But there's absolutely no guarantee she would win. Like most of us she's employed at will and would have to have a slam dunk of gender discrimination which in my opinion she does not.

In five minutes I can come up with the argument that she coaches a historically dominant program and was hired under the premise she would return it to final four/championship status which she has not done therefore she was terminated.

Gender discrimination cases are notoriously hard to win and usually end up in settlement as it's the best the complainant can hope for in many cases absent bold face evidence.

Let us get real any coach can be fired for any reason, that is the nature of coaching. I can't think of his first name, but an African American coach last name of Washington, won 90% of games he coached for Notre Dame, but was fired after his second year because he was unable to coach them into the National Championship picture. Kentucky fired one coach after his first year. As long as a settlement is reached, Tennessee can say goodbye to Holly and use the excuse of recruiting issues, failure to coach the team in a position to win a National Championship or any other B.S. That sounds reasonable. It happens to men coaches all the time, why should women be exempt because they are female?

Let's face it coaching is all about, what have you done for me lately?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Sorry as an attorney I'm calling bullsh*t on this post. Can she make life difficult for UT? Sure. But there's absolutely no guarantee she would win. Like most of us she's employed at will and would have to have a slam dunk of gender discrimination which in my opinion she does not.

In five minutes I can come up with the argument that she coaches a historically dominant program and was hired under the premise she would return it to final four/championship status which she has not done therefore she was terminated.

Gender discrimination cases are notoriously hard to win and usually end up in settlement as it's the best the complainant can hope for in many cases absent bold face evidence.

You must not be a very good attorney. She would have a case for age discrimination. She has 3 championships in three years.

Look up David Burkhalter and check his stats. He wins many cases in an employment at will state.

Name one UT coach with an .800 winning percentage that's been fired. There's your slam dunk.

 

[WVU05UT09]

You must not be a very good attorney. She would have a case for age discrimination. She has 3 championships in three years.

Look up David Burkhalter and check his stats. He wins many cases in an employment at will state.

Name one UT coach with an .800 winning percentage that's been fired. There's your slam dunk.

Age discrimination? Pfffft get serious. Go take that last sentence to Burkhalter and let him laugh in your face.

Once again you must have clear evidence that someone was terminated due to age. Eye witness accounts, e-mails, or a trend at the university that indicates age discrimination.

Dave Hart has been on as athletic director for a fairly short time period and in that period has only fired Derek Dooley. That is not a pattern or a trend. In fact that counters your argument as Derek Dooley is a young guy.
You can then again look to the entire athletic department. Is there a history of firing people in a certain age bracket--to my knowledge there is not. (Oddly enough, as I said in my previous post, given the number of females let go in the merger of the two AD's, THAT claim rather than age is a much easier case).
There is statistic after statistic, most of it kept for the purposes of federal government reporting, that someone in HR at UT is tracking. Non-exempt employees by age demographic, fired employees by age demographic and as a % of total dismissed employees, etc. So much information in fact that attorney's at UT would know immediately whether they should settle or not--it wouldn't even get to the courtroom.

As to your other points about her three championships and winning percentages--we are all judged on expectations set for us individually as an employee--not on what everyone else in our company does. One could reasonably expect Holly Warlick is going to have different goals and performance metrics with Dave Hart than lets say Dave Serrano given the historical performance of those two programs and what each started with when they took over.

You want to talk winning percentages and championships and slam dunk cases. There is a certain gentleman from Maryville who just happened to coach a national title team and got UT multiple SEC titles and yet was dismissed in the later years of his working life. If there were any relevancy to your logic that would have been the "slam dunk" case.

 

[Volfan2012]

Football coaches get fired all the time with winning records just ask Mark Richt who was 9 and 3 this season and almost Les Myles who had to win last couple of games to save his job. The fact is certain sports have traditions and expectations and that is what you have in Tennessee Women's basketball. It should be unacceptable the way the program is being run now because Summit built a program that wasn't based on SEC titles but on final fours and hopefully we can get back to that and it will never happen with Holly.

 

[Pat4life]

This season feels like 2005–200 Candace Parker's first year as a college athlete. After being redshirted the previous year she was recovered from her injuries and became a starter. During the season, the Lady Vols dropped three games to SEC foes LSU, Florida, and Kentucky, their worst SEC season since the 1996–1997 season. The Lady Vols also suffered a bad loss to Duke. However they won their second straight game against Connecticut and rebounded from the poor SEC season to win the tournament for the second year in a row. In the tournament, Tennessee controversially received a two seed instead of the one seed Summitt believed her team deserved, and in the regional finals played North Carolina. Parker tied Ivory Latta for leading scorer with 20 points, but it was not enough. Tennessee trailed from the beginning, falling behind by as many as 16. Late in the second half, the Lady Vols were able to cut the lead down to five, but ultimately fell, 75–63. This loss meant that for the first time in five years Summitt would not be appearing in the Final Four.... we might be one season away!

If this team played hard every possession, we might be playing in Final 4 this year.

I back Pat and roll with Holly.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Age discrimination? Pfffft get serious. Go take that last sentence to Burkhalter and let him laugh in your face.

Once again you must have clear evidence that someone was terminated due to age. Eye witness accounts, e-mails, or a trend at the university that indicates age discrimination.

Dave Hart has been on as athletic director for a fairly short time period and in that period has only fired Derek Dooley. That is not a pattern or a trend. In fact that counters your argument as Derek Dooley is a young guy.
You can then again look to the entire athletic department. Is there a history of firing people in a certain age bracket--to my knowledge there is not. (Oddly enough, as I said in my previous post, given the number of females let go in the merger of the two AD's, THAT claim rather than age is a much easier case).
There is statistic after statistic, most of it kept for the purposes of federal government reporting, that someone in HR at UT is tracking. Non-exempt employees by age demographic, fired employees by age demographic and as a % of total dismissed employees, etc. So much information in fact that attorney's at UT would know immediately whether they should settle or not--it wouldn't even get to the courtroom.

As to your other points about her three championships and winning percentages--we are all judged on expectations set for us individually as an employee--not on what everyone else in our company does. One could reasonably expect Holly Warlick is going to have different goals and performance metrics with Dave Hart than lets say Dave Serrano given the historical performance of those two programs and what each started with when they took over.

You want to talk winning percentages and championships and slam dunk cases. There is a certain gentleman from Maryville who just happened to coach a national title team and got UT multiple SEC titles and yet was dismissed in the later years of his working life. If there were any relevancy to your logic that would have been the "slam dunk" case.

Guess you didn't cover what the role of the jury might be... when you got all that fancy legal schooling.

 

[cwbytruckers]

This season feels like 2005–200 Candace Parker's first year as a college athlete. After being redshirted the previous year she was recovered from her injuries and became a starter. During the season, the Lady Vols dropped three games to SEC foes LSU, Florida, and Kentucky, their worst SEC season since the 1996–1997 season. The Lady Vols also suffered a bad loss to Duke. However they won their second straight game against Connecticut and rebounded from the poor SEC season to win the tournament for the second year in a row. In the tournament, Tennessee controversially received a two seed instead of the one seed Summitt believed her team deserved, and in the regional finals played North Carolina. Parker tied Ivory Latta for leading scorer with 20 points, but it was not enough. Tennessee trailed from the beginning, falling behind by as many as 16. Late in the second half, the Lady Vols were able to cut the lead down to five, but ultimately fell, 75–63. This loss meant that for the first time in five years Summitt would not be appearing in the Final Four.... we might be one season away!

If this team played hard every possession, we might be playing in Final 4 this year.

I back Pat and roll with Holly.

Problem is there is no Parker talent on this team. Not even Deshields.

 

[volfanIND]

With this year's roster, if we could 'pass' the ball instead of 'dribbling' the ball. We would be vying for a NC this year. Pretty simple. This is all we are missing. Just this. Cut and dry, clear as the water in Bora Bora.

And this is not hard to teach to players. I promise. You just have to take the time to do this.

Spurs cap eight-pass possession with layup (video) | ProBasketballTalk

 

[Bah Humbug]

No way it will take years for the LV program to recover from the total debacle that is Holly Warlick. The history of women's college basketball proves a program only needs one, maybe two, special players to achieve great things. Our history, fan base, facilities and campus will be a major draw for any young talent if we have an astute, detail-oriented coach in place. Holly isn't that person.

We have all that you say still can't get a top 100 recruit? Holly is killing this once great program.