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Massengale was a good player who came in over hyped as a great player. Her injuries and lots of instability in the post did not help her cause either. I don't think she was shot happy. In her senior year, she was the only consistent 3-pt shooter the team had. Without here shooting, that could have been a dismal year. Again, Spani was a good player who fans wanted to be a great player (and playing on a team that needed a consistent difference maker) but that was a not a role she could fill, except for the occassional lightning strikes game.
This is very true, and well put. A lot of the posters here (and fans in general) are men who don't respect women, so it goes without saying that they certainly don't respect women's sports. They bash Holly and they bash the program because it provides some sort of twisted catharsis for them. But at the end of the day, they're nothing (and they know it).
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there is a segment of the Lady Vols fan base that is
" a bitter fan base "
but from what I have read on here,it has nothing to do with her personal life
it is more that she is replacing the Legend that is Coach Pat Summitt
and to be honest nobody will ever replace her,no matter what they think of her last years
is CHW being compared to a Legend unfair ? yes,but that is who she is being compared to and will probably all ways be,I personally think she is going a fine job and deserves the support of the fans
but it is Fans as in Fanatics so who knows ? CHW is doing the work to earn Fan respect and she will get it,once she can keep a healthy team
I don't think they are bitter over her personal life. I think they are disrespectful about it and rude, but a lot of them are too chickens*** to actually say what they think because they know it makes them look like the undereducated, mouth-breathing idiots they are, so they bash her coaching instead, but they make it clear in other things they say what the real issue is. Others don't care and will say (or post) whatever moronic things pop into their heads. That's one small but vocal minority; you don't see them on this particular forum that much (although you do see them . . . they're often subtle), but on other forums or discussions (doesn't have to be on a message board), it's relentless. (These are often (though not always) some of the same childish individuals who ooze disrespect for women's sports, female athletes, and female coaches in general.)
I think another segment is, in fact, bitter because she isn't Pat Summitt and hasn't yet achieved the success that Summitt did. They weren't ready to let go of PS, and they still aren't, and so they certainly aren't ready to fully embrace Holly. Therefore, they criticize every single thing Holly does. In situations where they would have given PS the benefit of the doubt, they give Holly nothing but grief.
I think Holly is doing a wonderful job, both in terms of coaching and in terms of recruiting. She's operating in a different world than PS did as far as women's basketball goes, but she's still living in Pat Summitt's shadow with all of the same expectations. That has to be a disconcerting place to be, and yet she is handling it very, very well and is, in fact, thriving and seems to enjoy it immensely. She deserved this raise and then some. She also deserves the utmost respect of her fan base, and it's sad that many are so unwilling to give it.
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Ladyvolfan4ever
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I like Holley. I respect Holley and I think she deserved her raise. I would rather keep Holley than start over with someone else. Hollys sexual preference has nothing to do with her coaching or with me so I'm fine with whatever suits her. So not everybody is guilty of putting her down. By the way I'm still behind Butch Jones and I back Pat.
I think Holly is a great person and a great coach, and I think she is the right coach for Tennessee. I couldn't care less about anything having to do with her personal life; as long as she's happy, good for her. It's none of my business or anyone else's. My point is, some fans make an issue out of something that is absolutely none of their business, and they disrespect her because of it. No matter how well she performs, they aren't going to be satisfied with her as a representative of "their" school. They're idiots, and fortunately, as vocal as they may be on social media and internet message boards, they are relatively small in number.
I think there is a somewhat larger group who probably couldn't care less about her sexual preference, but they DO care that she isn't Pat Summitt. These are the bitter fans who will never be satisfied because she hasn't (yet) achieved the same measure of success that PS achieved. Never mind that women's basketball is more competitive now than ever, never mind that every single year that Holly has been head coach the team has suffered devastating injuries to key players, and never mind that Holly has been a head coach three years to Pat Summitt's almost forty. They expect the exact same results in the exact same fashion, and that just isn't going to happen. They could search to the ends of the earth and they will never find another Pat Summitt, so they will never be satisfied.
Holly has earned every penny of her salary then some. In my opinion, she should be the highest paid women's basketball coach in the SEC.
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Stupid post . . . What's wrong with how Holly dresses? I think she dresses professionally and nicely. Would you rather she dress like Kim Mulkey, who apparently hasn't seen an animal print or pair of leather pants that she doesn't like? Or Muffet McGraw, who expertly combines schoolmarm with personal escort? Why even worry how she dresses, as long as she represents the school appropriately and professionally . . . and she does. From what I've seen, she dresses pretty similarly to coaches such as Tara VanDerveer, Dawn Staley, and Karen Aston . . . which is to say, professionally but without the ridiculous skirts and heels that really have no place on a basketball court, especially when that just isn't the personal style preference of the coach in question. Bottom line, what she wears has nothing to do with how she coaches and is her choice, not yours. You are completely irrelevant in that regard.
This is another example of how ignorant people make an issue out of ridiculous things. It's none of your business how Holly dresses, especially given the fact that there is absolutely nothing wrong with what she wears. Would you criticize a male coach for how he looks or dresses? For example, you could probably squeeze enough oil out of Matthew Mitchell's hair to change the oil in your car . . . but alas, no snarky comments about that. Why not?
People like you need to keep your mouths shut. Permanently.
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Fundamentally, how a coach dresses IS irrelevant. I'm not trashing them; I'm just making a point. I don't care that Mulkey likes animal prints and leather; that's not personally my style and I don't think it looks particularly professional, but if that's what she likes, that's her choice. I'd never suggest she ought to spend part of her salary on better clothing; that's not my call to make. Likewise, Holly shouldn't feel as if she needs to dress a particular way in order to appeal to others. The same is true for McGraw; I don't personally like her style, either, but she's still a great coach. How she dresses has nothing to do with how she coaches. Were my comments snarky? Perhaps, but I made them just to make a point. I would never criticize how they dress just for the hell of it. There are apparently people out there who think Holly's worth as a coach is determined, at least partially, by how she dresses, which is ridiculous. My point is that Mulkey and McGraw aren't particularly classy dressers, but that has nothing to do with their coaching abilities. It's their money and they can spend as much or as little of it as they want on the kind of clothing they like and are comfortable wearing; it's entirely their prerogative. They are who they are and they have the right to dress in a way that appeals to them, not to those who watch them. For what it's worth, I think Holly is a much classier dresser than either of those two; others may think differently. At the end of the day, none of our opinions matter. However, if you are a man who prefers to see women in short skirts and heels and feel that that is what reflects a woman's value, you have problems.
You have to admit, though . . . Mitchell's hair is not attractive. There's no excuse for that kind of hot mess on anyone's head. None.
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You're clueless. I'm surprised you had the wherewithal to turn on your computer and post this crap.
Just admit what your real issue is . . . you're envious of the success of the women's basketball program, so you try to down it in order to make yourself feel better about the fact that the men's programs at UT couldn't win a game if it was rigged in their favor.
The last time I checked, it took an entire TEAM to make a Final Four, not just a coach. You do realize that Holly has lost key components of her team to injury every year she has been head coach, don't you? It's hard to win when your best players are sitting on the bench with injuries.
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Wait Muffet is voted best dressed -- maybe you need help with a personal shopper too https://womensballer.wordpress.com/...s-best-dressed-womens-college-b-ball-coaches/
I don't like McGraw's style; I don't care who voted her "best dressed." That said, her style is her own, and if that's what she likes to wear, so be it. Like McGraw, Holly has her own style, and she shouldn't feel as if she needs to dress a particular way. A basketball court isn't a New York or Paris runway. The fans aren't there to watch a fashion show; they're there to watch a ballgame. Holly apparently doesn't like flashy clothing or skirts and heels, but so what? Her clothing is classy, it's professional, and it is appropriate for her job. She dresses like countless other female basketball coaches. The only people who have a problem are those who judge her job performance, her skills, her talent, and her ability based on what she wears.
By the way, I have great style.
Pat in her Armani suit -- this is classy -- Holly take a cue from your mentor
One, this is more or less how Holly dresses.
Two, Pat's suit is nice but is somewhat out of style now; the jacket is too long.
Three, and most importantly, why the hell does it matter how Holly dresses? And what, specifically, do you have a problem with? Would you criticize a male coach in the same manner?
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