Holly Warlick should step down after this season

[Pat4life]

Sorry my friend... Uconn maybe, Notre Dame too. lol But the Lady Vols is still considered a gold standard in WCBB, and Holly has done nothing to diminish or tarnish that shine.

 

[Pat4life]

Can we please stop responding to all the Lady Vols hater posts, once we see there names we just skip over it. Cos, Holly in my eyes has done a good job in her three years of coaching, the mighty Lady Vols, no one would have been able to do that but the four or five coaches that have already been mentioned.

Hell it took Dawn 7 years at USC.

Holly, do ya thang. Please go and become uconn fans, since you talk about em so much.

 

[EZE]

Baloney. Tennessee fans expect, or should, as some are being conditioned to accept less now more and more often, to reach their potential as a program in the respective sports. Each of the three coaches you have listed aren't panned because of some ridiculous notion that they haven't won national championships, it's because they haven't won anything of note or are chronic underachievers relative to the potential of the program. To your examples:

- Jones has won nothing of consequence ever in his career and regularly choked away big leads against good teams. His saving grace thus far is that he is recruiting well and not Derek Dooley. Otherwise, he is a poor game manager who spouts nonsense cliches and gimmicky notions by the bushel.

- Martin is the definition of a mediocre coach, who has made the NCAA tournament exactly one time in his career and, the one time he did, lucked into an easy draw with three NBA players on his roster. His team was saved from another underachieving season by players rallying around a petulant petition by fans. He is already on his way to another dud of a season at Cal, similar to these ones he had here at UT.

- Warlick has perpetually looked overmatched coaching against the better teams in the country and hasn't made a Final Four in a top heavy sport in which she coaches at one of the two, by far, most prominent programs.

So, this hyperbole that Tennessee fans have unrealistic expectations of national championships every year is utterly ridiculous and avoid any sort of rational reflection of the true status of the the program at hand. The reality of the situation is that Tennessee fans have entirely reasonable expectations and the coaches haven't been able to meet these expectations. Anyone who thinks the program is doing fine hasn't been paying attention to the clear underachieving varsity sports have been doing at UT for about a decade now.

We will put you ten in the "problem" category.

 

[MsSportsGuy]

I have thought the current LV team lacks chemistry because the various skills the players possess do not mesh well. The easy example being that Carter and Reynolds neither one can shoot or score so having them on the court together creates a gap.
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Your statement about skills meshing was my view of the "Baby Vols" class. They were good players but their pieces did not fit together well enough to win. When I look at this group, I see a roster of ladies who are plenty athletic but are not terrific basketball players. Their offensive skills are limited. Last year this team struggled to score and lost to Maryland as a result. I see this team having even more trouble putting points on the board. Diamond is the reason they only lost by 10 rather than 20. I am not upset we lost, rather that this game reminds me of the past few years where their "superior" talent doesn't show up consistently to be a final four team. The players and coaches are responsible for this, it isn't either/or.

 

[Pat4life]

Your statement about skills meshing was my view of the "Baby Vols" class. They were good players but their pieces did not fit together well enough to win. When I look at this group, I see a roster of ladies who are plenty athletic but are not terrific basketball players. Their offensive skills are limited. Last year this team struggled to score and lost to Maryland as a result. I see this team having even more trouble putting points on the board. Diamond is the reason they only lost by 10 rather than 20. I am not upset we lost, rather that this game reminds me of the past few years where their "superior" talent doesn't show up consistently to be a final four team. The players and coaches are responsible for this, it isn't either/or.

Nice post. Welcome to the board.

:rock:

 

[vettefool]

This game seems to have been a breaking point for a lot of fans.

We have seen some improvement under Holly but there are areas we were waiting to see if she would address. It is clear now they aren't being corrected so it is time to give someone else a shot.

Going 0-for- an entire recruiting class and then getting this sort of play from your deepest and most talented bunch would be enough to get a men's coach fired at a top four program. But letting problems fester and evidencing no clue as to how to address them is really the root of the problem.

The truth is that the AD really doesn't care how many games the women's basketball team wins or what direction the program is heading and Holly isn't going to forgo all of that money coming to her by stepping down so instead of a proactive step being taken we will be subjected to more of the same. It is what it is.

This. he doesn't care at all about woman's sports. hell he just gave our sorry volleyball coach an extension. won't be firing holly.

 

[vol1981]

Sorry my friend... Uconn maybe, Notre Dame too. lol But the Lady Vols is still considered a gold standard in WCBB, and Holly has done nothing to diminish or tarnish that shine.

Thanks for posting that. I needed a good laugh.:drool:

 

[vol1981]

Can we please stop responding to all the Lady Vols hater posts, once we see there names we just skip over it. Cos, Holly in my eyes has done a good job in her three years of coaching, the mighty Lady Vols, no one would have been able to do that but the four or five coaches that have already been mentioned.

Hell it took Dawn 7 years at USC.

Holly, do ya thang. Please go and become uconn fans, since you talk about em so much.

English 101 is now in session just down the hall.

 

[EZE]

We have the "grass is always greener" complex over a small portion of our fan base. If any fan base should be wary of that, it should be Tennessee fans. We haven't exactly had much success by moving onto other pastures if you know what I mean. Our football and men's basketball coaching circuses over the past 6-8 years can attest to that.

I guess you are going to always have the Legions of the Miserable as one Tennessee legendary coach once said.

 

[Unimane]

We have the "grass is always greener" complex over a small portion of our fan base. If any fan base should be wary of that, it should be Tennessee fans. We haven't exactly had much success by moving onto other pastures if you know what I mean. Our football and men's basketball coaching circuses over the past 6-8 years can attest to that.

I guess you are going to always have the Legions of the Miserable as one Tennessee legendary coach once said.

The Legion of the Miserable were fans complaining about successful teams with coaches who had a knack for coming up short from time to time with some inexplicable losses, but were, overall, pretty good. By what stretch of the imagination do you feel these coaches are being successful and/or reaching the potential this athletic program should be able to attain? The fact that we've had coaching circuses for the last 6-8 years is an indictment of the program overall, starting with the admin, but that doesn't absolve the fact that we've got some poor coaching going on at Tennessee, probably the worst collection of coaches in my lifetime.

And, yet, you want to absolve them and blame fans who have any sort of pride and desire for a standard for the athletic programs. Why? I don't understand this philosophy.

 

[teacherdean]

And yet people say Holly is a good coach. This is a 10 loss team.

Unfurnately, we are not any where close to being UCONN's second team. UCONN is the new Tennessee in its glory years. Tennessee set the bar and UCONN reached it and pushed it further. It should be every women's team to beat UCONN.

 

[Vfl2407]

At noon Tuesday press conference, Dave Hart gave a glowing affirmation that he thinks Holly is the right person for the job.
You can probably watch it on utsports.com

 

[Kaida71]

At least she tried to make something happen vs Reynolds who stood at the top of the key dribbling the ball. Sure Cooper has her errors but at that moment they were clicking. Poor Carter. I love her but her shooting has gotten worse. Tell me what guard is a better option right now?

None of them.. Their mid range game is horrible .. You got juniors making freshmen like mental mistakes. It's like they are playing out of control and can't lead this offense... A freshman is leading them... and I will take her turnovers and foul trouble.. but the upper classmen aren't cutting it.

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

I think we've seen enough of holly's coaching to have a fairly good idea of where this team could be heading, and it doesn't look good.

Even before holly took over the reins as head coach, and when she first started taking over coaching responsibilities for an ailing pat summitt, we saw the program start to slip a bit. I think the biggest issue right now, and even in holly's past three seasons, is the lack of discipline. Holly wants to continue pat's defense and rebounding mantra, but in order for that philosophy to be effective, her teams need to be disciplined and value possessions, and unfortunately Pat understood this, holly doesn't. When holly's teams turn the ball over 15+ times a game, that really negates what defense and rebounding can do for you and it immediately puts the team in a hole. I don't think this team plays great defense anyway. They give up way to many three point shots, always have since holly became the coach.

We've been down this road with holly before and it's the same song, and it'll probably be the same results..an early exit from the tournament. I think if we were going to see any kind of discipline injected into this team, it would have happened long before now.

So, basically if holly can't get this team to value possessions and instill some kind of discipline into the team, the defense and rebounding mantra that won pat 8 NC's, won't do jack **** for holly and it will probably end up costing her the job...I think they probably can get the turnover issue under control, but don't hold your breath on them figuring out how to beat a zone, unless the guards magically learn to shoot the ball better, don't hold your breathe there either..

Long year ahead folks, especially if they continue to have terrible luck with injuries. Hope your ok jasmine..you really did a great rebounding job against Texas..

 

[VolFootballnut]

At noon Tuesday press conference, Dave Hart gave a glowing affirmation that he thinks Holly is the right person for the job.
You can probably watch it on utsports.com

When all is said and done Hart doesn't give a shyatt about the women's basketball program.

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

When all is said and done Hart doesn't give a shyatt about the women's basketball program.

He may not care and his handling of the pat summit situation demonstrated much of that. However, I still think he has a vested interest in making sure lady vol basketball doesn't completely sink into oblivion. I think holly could be in trouble if we fail to make the NCAA tournament this year, which most likely won't happen, but I've learned to never say never..

 

[VolFootballnut]

He may not care and his handling of the pat summit situation demonstrated much of that. However, I still think he has a vested interest in making sure lady vol basketball doesn't completely sink into oblivion. I think holly could be in trouble if we fail to make the NCAA tournament this year, which most likely won't happen, but I've learned to never say never..

I think The LadyVols will lose 7-10 games and their seed in the NCAA Tournament will be a good deal lower than fans are used to. Hopefully changes will be made after that but i'm not holding my breath.

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

I think The LadyVols will lose 7-10 games and their seed in the NCAA Tournament will be a good deal lower than fans are used to. Hopefully changes will be made after that but i'm not holding my breath.

I'm thinking now 7-10 losses is a good prediction, and before the start of the season you told me this team could lose ten games, I'd laugh my ass of at you. To much talent to lose that many. Oregon st, Stanford, ND, USC, Kentucky, a and m, MSU, and maybe a couple of shockers we don't expect to lose plus the sec and NCAA tournament losses adds up to 12 losses..worst case scenario to be sure, but if continue to play poorly there's a chance of it happening. Last year georgia came into the season with high expectations, but didn't even make the tournament.

 

[teacherdean]

Folks it does not matter if you are a Holly fan or a Holly hater, this program is in an offensive funk. That is not B.S. that is a fact. Only the coach and her staff can figure this thing out, they are suppose to know their players. We have had this offensive funk for at least 5 years. We are having a difficult time finding the post players we need to continue to run our inside offense plans. These are facts no matter how many times we point fingers and call each other names. Also sarcasm is not going to solve the offensive problems.

If you are a die hard fan it is difficult to accept reality. No matter what, reality has set in. To change that reality we must depend upon the coaches evaluating what they have and then coming up with a good offensive plan. Again the D is good but WE MUST FIND SOME offense or we will be lucky to make it to the elite 8.

 

[Unimane]

At noon Tuesday press conference, Dave Hart gave a glowing affirmation that he thinks Holly is the right person for the job.
You can probably watch it on utsports.com

Hart also wanted to retain Dooley until his hand was forced. He hasn't the faintest idea what he is doing.

 

[Darth_Vol]

At noon Tuesday press conference, Dave Hart gave a glowing affirmation that he thinks Holly is the right person for the job.
You can probably watch it on utsports.com

I just threw up in my mouth a little. :sick:

I have a feeling this upcoming road trip out west will not be kind to the Lady Vols. As Holly continues to lose with what I think most would agree is her most talented roster since she took over, unrest from fans and media will continue to grow....

 

[Volfan2012]

He didn't say anything that he hasn't said before. I knew he likes the fact that Holly doesn't have to be paid a million dollars to coach the team. She up to this point gets us to sweet 16 and elite 8 and that is good enough for Dave. The Lady Vols great past has never been a concern for Dave. He is happy with 25 wins a a couple wins in the tourney. The program is on it's way to being a top twenty team and eventually more than likely and middle of the pack SEC team. It seems to be coming as recruiting has become nothing and were struggling to beat teams like Chattanooga and Albany. It is the new Lady Vols and soon I suspect we'll have that power T on their jersey's as well. I think he is waiting for Pat Summit to fade away before he takes that additional step.

 

[teacherdean]

I have a suggestion, though many of us fans may be frustrated by the coaching and playing of the Lady Vols going forward, but we should allow this string to play itself out. In the process we will either see improvements or see the team be as it is today or worse. However, though I am very frustrated with what if currently going on. Sure we might say, why sit by while the season plays itself out? Number one there is no way Hart or the administration is going to fire Holly or her staff. Holly is going to improve the program it will be evident at the end of the year. Baring a rash of injuries, this team is Holly's best chance to get to the final four.

I know it does not matter with some of Holly supporters, they will continue to say things are going to improve, even if she does not make the NCAA tournament, which I feel will not happen, or she goes out in the sweet 16. She could lose 10 games and that will not matter. I believe that even if 2017 recruiting is awful, some supporters will give excuses. Recruiting will be difficult because coaches are not like they were in the old days, it is stab in the back, dog eat dog business. If you think coaches will not use such things as a team's recruitment failures and their offensive and/or defensive woes, and their failures to reach their goals, then you are living on a different planet other than Earth. This is real life, guys in the white hats are no longer automatic winners. No matter if you believe it or not, the chips are stacked against Holly. I believe that she must be successful this year if she expects a positive outcome.

 

[WVU05UT09]

Folks it does not matter if you are a Holly fan or a Holly hater, this program is in an offensive funk. That is not B.S. that is a fact. Only the coach and her staff can figure this thing out, they are suppose to know their players. We have had this offensive funk for at least 5 years. We are having a difficult time finding the post players we need to continue to run our inside offense plans. These are facts no matter how many times we point fingers and call each other names. Also sarcasm is not going to solve the offensive problems.

If you are a die hard fan it is difficult to accept reality. No matter what, reality has set in. To change that reality we must depend upon the coaches evaluating what they have and then coming up with a good offensive plan. Again the D is good but WE MUST FIND SOME offense or we will be lucky to make it to the elite 8.

Try 15 years. Offensive execution has been the achilles hill of this program going back to 2000. Pat knew it to as she sought the advice of current Villanova head coach Harry Perretta on how to run the motion offense. Clearly none of that took hold in the program.

Sometimes when you have been around as long as Holly has (and Pat for the years before Holly) the older you are the harder it is to change and adapt. Pat was always defense and rebounding..its just who she is. Offensive schemes were never her thing.

 

[Ace]

At noon Tuesday press conference, Dave Hart gave a glowing affirmation that he thinks Holly is the right person for the job.
You can probably watch it on utsports.com

He has to say that he supports her. He cannot say anything negative until he makes a move.