Homosexuals are not suitable to serve in the military.

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gsvol

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According to petition signed by 1,100 retired military officers.

An introduction to the open letter notes:

Among us are a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, several Service Chiefs, a number of combatant command, theater, and other major U.S. and allied force commanders, together with a Medal of Honor recipient and hundreds of flag and general officers who have led the men and women of our armed services at every echelon, and in both peace and war, past and present.

…Our past experience as military leaders leads us to be greatly concerned about the impact of repeal on morale, discipline, unit cohesion, and overall military readiness.

We believe that imposing this burden on our men and women in uniform would undermine recruiting and retention, impact leadership at all levels, have adverse effects on the willingness of parents who lend their sons and daughters to military service, and eventually break the All-Volunteer Force.

As a matter of national security, we urge you to support the 1993 law regarding homosexuals in the military, and to oppose any legislative, judicial, or administrative effort to repeal or invalidate the law.
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Who knew that where you stick your ding dong in your own privacy would have such an adverse affect towards your coworkers!
 
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666 said:
Who knew that where you stick your ding dong in your own privacy would have such an adverse affect towards your coworkers!
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Hell yeah dude. When you're a gay person in battle with your life on the line the only thing you can think about is how much you want to touch the ass of the guy in front of you! It's a matter of national security!
 
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666 said:
Who knew that where you stick your ding dong in your own privacy would have such an adverse affect towards your coworkers!
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While I get your point and tend to agree, it's hard for me to believe that you're so simplistic as to believe that homosexuality is only about sex.
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I don't think these guys realize exactly who they would affect. I would bet there are many who keep their private life secret and are very good soldiers. Same goes for any large group of people (like athletes). Imagine how much better they could be without having to carry that burden too.
 
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allvol123 said:
You can reread 666's post if you need to.
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I did.

One is illegal, the other isn't. What do I care if some wierdo has an unhealthy foot fetish as long as he does what he is supposed to? It's his business.

On the other hand, a guy can be the company's top producer, best talent, and well liked, but if he's a pedo, it it should bother everyone and he should be taken out back and have the crap kicked out of him.

If you point was that it shouldn't matter to anyone that someone is homosexual, but in reality that is the case more than not, then I understand.
 
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rjd970 said:
I did.

One is illegal, the other isn't. What do I care if some wierdo has an unhealthy foot fetish as long as he does what he is supposed to? It's his business.

On the other hand, a guy can be the company's top producer, best talent, and well liked, but if he's a pedo, it it should bother everyone and he should be taken out back and have the crap kicked out of him.

If you point was that it shouldn't matter to anyone that someone is homosexual, but in reality that is the case more than not, then I understand.
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My point is 666 made an amazingly simplistic point, as BPV said.

So now you're against pot smokers in the military?
 
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rjd970 said:
I did.

One is illegal, the other isn't. What do I care if some wierdo has an unhealthy foot fetish as long as he does what he is supposed to? It's his business.

On the other hand, a guy can be the company's top producer, best talent, and well liked, but if he's a pedo, it it should bother everyone and he should be taken out back and have the crap kicked out of him.

If you point was that it shouldn't matter to anyone that someone is homosexual, but in reality that is the case more than not, then I understand.
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The military question isn't about why you care or should care. It's about soldiers in a long term combat environment with an openly gay soldier and whether that knowledge adversely impacts the unit.

While people shouldn't care and wouldn't care in a perfect world, the question is do soldiers care? The military and it's brass have continually said it matters. I don't agree with them on this, but it's tough to force a certain lifestyle down the throats of commanders. Don't ask, don't tell seems to work in that those not openly telling aren't the type to make their sexuality an issue. Those who flaunt it are those the Army wants no part of.
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rjd970 said:
Would that normally keep someone from joining the military?
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That is what I am asking you. With the importance you place on law. Interesting your problem with pedo, is that it is illegal. That is the last thing I would have thought about it.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
The military question isn't about why you care or should care. It's about soldiers in a long term combat environment with an openly gay soldier and whether that knowledge adversely impacts the unit.

While people shouldn't care and wouldn't care in a perfect world, the question is do soldiers care? The military and it's brass have continually said it matters. I don't agree with them on this, but it's tough to force a certain lifestyle down the throats of commanders. Don't ask, don't tell seems to work in that those not openly telling aren't the type to make their sexuality an issue. Those who flaunt it are those the Army wants no part of.
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I agree. I have never served, so I can't speak with first hand knowledge. I do, however, work with warfighters on a daily basis for my job. I get the impression the military doesn't put up with any shenanigans that would disrupt unit cohesiveness, homosexual or otherwise. If somebody is a significant enough problem, they get reprimanded and/or discharged.
 
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allvol123 said:
That is what I am asking you. With the importance you place on law. Interesting your problem with pedo, is that it is illegal. That is the last thing I would have thought about it.
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You can re-read post 12 if you need to.

Note the part about kicking the crap out of certain people.
 
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rjd970 said:
I agree. I have never served, so I can't speak with first hand knowledge. I do, however, work with warfighters on a daily basis for my job. I get the impression the military doesn't put up with any shenanigans that would disrupt unit cohesiveness, homosexual or otherwise. If somebody is a significant enough problem, they get reprimanded and/or discharged.
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But what I think is not being understood is if an openly homosexual service member is causing him/herself to be the subject of scrutiny (such as in engaging in acts in a shared barracks room) and the media gets a hold of that story... it'll hit the fan.

Many of these problems exist on almost a weekly basis but the military is able to solve them under wraps. Add in a juicy story about "archaic military homo hating" and that is entirely different.
 
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