Homosexuals are not suitable to serve in the military.

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#151
joevol320 said:
i think any type of sexual perversion, whether it be straight or gay can lead to pedophilia. i listened to an interview with the Son of Sam and he said that he got into porn very early and he couldn't satisfy himself with anything he tried and found himself getting lower and more desperate until finally he went on the killing spree.
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I don't know enough to comment on that assertion, all I know is allvol is upset that I would kick the ever living daylights out of somebody who tried to touch my son in an inappropriate way.
 
#153
#153
rjd970 said:
I don't know enough to comment on that assertion, all I know is allvol is upset that I would kick the ever living daylights out of somebody who tried to touch my son in an inappropriate way.
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i agree, the problem is that we are living in a society today where this stuff is being more acceptable.

look how many teachers are hooking up with middle age to high school students. do you think those students are being forced or pressured, i would say many of them know exactly what they're doing and would think it would be cool to hook up with a teacher.

the lines have been blurred so much that there isn't any left.
 
#154
#154
joevol320 said:
i agree, the problem is that we are living in a society today where this stuff is being more acceptable.

look how many teachers are hooking up with middle age to high school students. do you think those students are being forced or pressured, i would say many of them know exactly what they're doing and would think it would be cool to hook up with a teacher.

the lines have been blurred so much that there isn't any left.
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But the point of the law is to protect the kids because they don't know any better. I understand what you are saying though.
 
#155
#155
rjd970 said:
I don't know enough to comment on that assertion, all I know is allvol is upset that I would kick the ever living daylights out of somebody who tried to touch my son in an inappropriate way.
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Incorrect. I am all for you protecting your family.

Just interested in why you view one as a disease and not the other. Honest question.
 
#156
#156
allvol123 said:
Incorrect. I am all for you protecting your family.

Just interested in why you view one as a disease and not the other. Honest question.
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It's not about disease. I don't know, and I don't care. It's about one being victimless and the other not.

So it's ok to smash the face of somebody doing something to my kid, but if it isn't my kid, he gets a pass? Really?
 
#157
#157
rjd970 said:
It's not about disease. I don't know, and I don't care. It's about one being victimless and the other not.

So it's ok to smash the face of somebody doing something to my kid, but if it isn't my kid, he gets a pass? Really?
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It certainly is about it. You don't care? You'd rather let these people walk our streets as they are? Or document it as a disease, work on ridding it and someday people would not have to worry at the same extent we currently do?

So you go around smashing the faces of convicted peds? I doubt you do. There are registries if you want to find them and get started. I never said get a pass.
 
#158
#158
Cujo was just a big friendly dog...until he went rabid and started killing people. I don't care if somebody was abused as a child (or whatever), if presented with certain actions on his/her part their lives are forfeit in my eyes. There are things one simply DOES NOT DO and I don't care what the circumstances are, even if the person doing them has a decent argument of being a victim. For instance;

If one of you had a loved one abducted and you were told the only way you'd ever see them alive again was to kill my mother I'd do whatever I could to kill you first. I understand your situation. I would even be willing to give a solemn oath that if I have any say in it those that put you in that position would suffer horribly for it. The fact remains that your life is expendable to me over my mother's. I'd expect no different from any of you if the roles were reversed.
 
#159
#159
rjd970 said:
But the point of the law is to protect the kids because they don't know any better. I understand what you are saying though.
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I would say they are doing a terrible job of it. They have allowed a terrible double standard for women who have sex with boys when compared to men who have sex with girls.
 
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allvol123 said:
It certainly is about it. You don't care? You'd rather let these people walk our streets as they are? Or document it as a disease, work on ridding it and someday people would not have to worry at the same extent we currently do?
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I would rather see them locked up. Rehabilitation doesn't work and it is the crime with the highest rescidivism rate. The problem with equating homosexuality and pedophilia as diseases that can be cured is one could never want to be cured and would never hurt another soul as long as he lived. The other, creates a victim every single time he/she acts on his impulses.

It always has, is, and should be about the victim, not the criminal.
 
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#162
allvol123 said:
Same here. You find it feasible that homosexuality is a mental disorder?
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It really depends on where you stand. I know where you are coming from, your beliefs lend to that feeling. Based on my beliefs, I feel that (and I think someone already stated this) it has more to do with evolution and population control. As the world becomes more crowded, more people will be unable (for whatever reason) to reproduce. It's all about balance. It's kind of out there, but it makes sense on some level.

Edit: Now that does make it entirely possible that a mental disorder is nature's fix. I do, however, stop short of claiming that it is a mental disorder.
 
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rjd970 said:
I would rather see them locked up. Rehabilitation doesn't work and it is the crime with the highest rescidivism rate. The problem with equating homosexuality and pedophilia as diseases that can be cured is one could never want to be cured and would never hurt another soul as long as he lived. The other, creates a victim every single time he/she acts on his impulses.

It always has, is, and should be about the victim, not the criminal.
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Not equating them to equal diseases as much as I am stating they both are diseases. Dyslexics probably don't aim to hurt anyone. Does not mean we should never try to help them.
 
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#164
KB5252 said:
I would say they are doing a terrible job of it. They have allowed a terrible double standard for women who have sex with boys when compared to men who have sex with girls.
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No disagreement here.

My whole position is one of zero tolerance. If that makes me a hypocrit, or insensitive to the plight of pedophiles to control their disease, so be it.
 
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#165
emainvol said:
It really depends on where you stand. I know where you are coming from, your beliefs lend to that feeling. Based on my beliefs, I feel that (and I think someone already stated this) it has more to do with evolution and population control. As the world becomes more crowded, more people will be unable (for whatever reason) to reproduce. It's all about balance. It's kind of out there, but it makes sense on some level.

Edit: Now that does make it entirely possible that a mental disorder is nature's fix. I do, however, stop short of claiming that it is a mental disorder.
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I agree that it is out there but at the same time i can't help but think there is something to it. Have you ever looked into synchronicity? It is kind of interesting as a theory.
 
#166
#166
rjd970 said:
No disagreement here.

My whole position is one of zero tolerance. If that makes me a hypocrit, or insensitive to the plight of pedophiles to control their disease, so be it.
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I don't see that it does. There is a perceivable line between the two.
 
#167
#167
allvol123 said:
Not equating them to equal diseases as much as I am stating they both are diseases. Dyslexics probably don't aim to hurt anyone. Does not mean we should never try to help them.
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How many dyslexics want to be dyslexics? How many homosexuals are just fine being homosexual? You really don't see a difference there? Just because you view somebody as being sick, doesn't mean they actually are.
 
#168
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rjd970 said:
How many dyslexics want to be dyslexics? How many homosexuals are just fine being homosexual? You really don't see a difference there? Just because you view somebody as being sick, doesn't mean they actually are.
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I never said I was right. Just arguing the idea. You find it impossible to believe that a person can have a disease and not want to get rid of it, can that not be part of the disease itself? You think crazy people realize they are crazy?
 
#169
#169
emainvol said:
It really depends on where you stand. I know where you are coming from, your beliefs lend to that feeling. Based on my beliefs, I feel that (and I think someone already stated this) it has more to do with evolution and population control. As the world becomes more crowded, more people will be unable (for whatever reason) to reproduce. It's all about balance. It's kind of out there, but it makes sense on some level.

Edit: Now that does make it entirely possible that a mental disorder is nature's fix. I do, however, stop short of claiming that it is a mental disorder.
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I see your point. Disagree, but see it.
 
#170
#170
allvol123 said:
I never said I was right. Just arguing the idea. You find it impossible to believe that a person can have a disease and not want to get rid of it, can that not be part of the disease itself? You think crazy people realize they are crazy?
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I take it you probably believe in God. Care to explain why he would "create" somebody with this affliction, presumably taking away any and all free will from the start? Not trying to change the subject, just trying to understand how you come to terms with what you believe.
 
#172
#172
rjd970 said:
I take it you probably believe in God. Care to explain why he would "create" somebody with this affliction, presumably taking away any and all free will from the start? Not trying to change the subject, just trying to understand how you come to terms with what you believe.
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Yes I do. Can't speak for him. Not sure he creates them as much as he allows them to exist. Do bad things to your body and it could very possible be felt by your offsrping generations away. I think nature is a pretty complex thing.
 
#173
#173
Here's a question; where does real "pedophilia" start? I don't mean from a personal standpoint but from a workable definition standpoint.

For instance, in Spain and Italy the age of consent is 13 and 14 respectively. Too young? I think so, but we're not talking about third world countries either. More importantly, in many (most?) states you can be legally married at 16 with parental consent. Think about that for a minute. A 47 year old man meets a 16 year old girl. He can't even kiss her without it being up for some kind of charge BUT, get married with parental consent and presto, it's perfectly legal to spray her down with Cool Whip and break out whips. Hey, they're married, it's legal. In fact, with parental consent, I believe a girl can be married at 14 in SC. Other states may also go that low.

So, how does one effectively argue something is a horrific crime if the only thing keeping it so is a lack of somebody's consent and a marriage license?

Bonus question-Is there really a good argument to call a man a pedophile one day with a girl at 17 years and 364 days of age and be joking about how he's keeping up with his new (and perfectly legal) hot, young girlfriend the next?

*I'm not advocating or defending anything here. It's a discussion that came up with a group of people one night and included a couple lawyers. It was an interesting topic of debate.
 
#174
#174
hndog609 said:
Here's a question; where does real "pedophilia" start? I don't mean from a personal standpoint but from a workable definition standpoint.

For instance, in Spain and Italy the age of consent is 13 and 14 respectively. Too young? I think so, but we're not talking about third world countries either. More importantly, in many (most?) states you can be legally married at 16 with parental consent. Think about that for a minute. A 47 year old man meets a 16 year old girl. He can't even kiss her without it being up for some kind of charge BUT, get married with parental consent and presto, it's perfectly legal to spray her down with Cool Whip and break out whips. Hey, they're married, it's legal. In fact, with parental consent, I believe a girl can be married at 14 in SC. Other states may also go that low.

So, how does one effectively argue something is a horrific crime if the only thing keeping it so is a lack of somebody's consent and a marriage license?

Bonus question-Is there really a good argument to call a man a pedophile one day with a girl at 17 years and 364 days of age and be joking about how he's keeping up with his new (and perfectly legal) hot, young girlfriend the next?

*I'm not advocating or defending anything here. It's a discussion that came up with a group of people one night and included a couple lawyers. It was an interesting topic of debate.
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great questions hd. I think somewhere along the way some in here thought I was defending that disease. I was not, just trying to delve into the thinking of it and about it, as you are here.
 
#175
#175
allvol123 said:
Not sure he creates them as much as he allows them to exist.
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From somebody that created the entire universe, I would say those are one in the same. Pedophilia can only exist because He does not care to stop it, or He is unwilling. If it is explained through the complexity of nature, I have doubts about the "intelligence" of the design.

Same goes for homosexuality. Why would God allow otherwise perfectly innocent people to be "afflicted" with it from birth, and then go to great lengths to condemn it?

It makes no sense how you can come to the conclusion that it is all mental disorders and still have the requisite beliefs you do.

As long as your not putting the criminal before the victim it makes sense what you're saying, I guess, but your train of logic to get there is pretty cloudy.
 
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