Homosexuals are not suitable to serve in the military.

[JZVOL]

The APA, which would be the sought after experts on the subject, would disagree with you along with Dr Hooker. I see no evidence supporting your claim that homosexuality is a disease other than your personal opinion on the subject.

Are you calling Dave Hooker gay?

 

[BearCat204]

Where did I say that? I have admitted somewhere in here that I may not be right. I can bring research on here and links that show I might be right, but I don't because much of this stuff is agenda driven. And that is true from either side of a point, people form an idea and then do research to back their idea up. I don't care for that. If a person can't admit the possibility that it is a disease, I don't think that person is being intellectually honest. I find the emotional stir this creates with some people disturbing. It is as if some people can't consider it because it would upset their world in some way.

Well I may be wrong, but from reading your post, you are saying that homosexuality is a disease. Maybe I am off with what I read from your post, and if I am I appologize. I dont personally care one way or the other, but I have read what the APA has to say on it and their research which formulates thier opinion on the subject.

 

[rjd970]

ok, so if you fall off a step, bump your head and die...that is God's fault for gravity and a head that is too soft? Yeah....not exactly following you.

Makes plenty of sense to me.

I think we keep going off on tangents. What do criminals and law have to do with whether a condition is a disease or not? They play no role in whether it is or not.

The reason you are not following me is because you didn't read my original point.

This is the most ridiculous use of an example I have ever seen. There is one huge, monumental difference here....that if you bothered to read and respond to my original point you would have caught. Homosexuality is a sin, in god's eyes. Gravity isn't. My question still stands, why would God make all of creation where the a mental disease pepole are born with by no fault of their own is explicitely condemned by him?

What proof do you have that it is a disease? And don't bother posting any medical or scientific studies, you have already dismissed them as agenda driven.

 

[allvol123]

I believe in free will. Sometimes people pay for the mistakes of their ancestors. It is your premise that God "made" it, if it were a disease, not mine. You think people with dementia don't commit sins that are explicitly condemned by him?

Where did I say I have proof? You're right I have admitted people use studies to drive agendas. You got a point? You are one of the ones that is bothers so much to conceive of this. Why is that? What is it about your emotions or view of the world that does not allow for your brain to go past certain points? Why would it make you uncomfortable if it was one?

 

[rjd970]

Where did I say that? I have admitted somewhere in here that I may not be right. I can bring research on here and links that show I might be right, but I don't because much of this stuff is agenda driven. And that is true from either side of a point, people form an idea and then do research to back their idea up. I don't care for that. If a person can't admit the possibility that it is a disease, I don't think that person is being intellectually honest. I find the emotional stir this creates with some people disturbing. It is as if some people can't consider it because it would upset their world in some way.

I love when you post something like this, yet in the very same thread you post this about somebody else:

So pedos are not mentally ill to you? If you consider that they are, why would you? Their sexual preference? Sorry, I don't keep my head down eating the hay as you do.

Also, furthering on this idea that it is all a disease, but you don't want to admit that by extenstion, it would make it a product of God's creation which he then turns around and condemns....it is especially ironic you would convict me of this:

ok. If you are comfortable with changing the lines when appropriate for your view, no business of mine.

Look, could it be a disease and/or disorder? Sure. By your blanket definition, the fact that I don't like orange juice is a disease or disorder.

 

[allvol123]

I love when you post something like this, yet in the very same thread you post this about somebody else:

The point was about his little smart alleck comment and how he could not even conceive of the idea.

Also, furthering on this idea that it is all a disease, but you don't want to admit that by extenstion, it would make it a product of God's creation which he then turns around and condemns....it is especially ironic you would convict me of this:

No irony to me. That is your belief not mine.



Look, could it be a disease and/or disorder? Sure. By your blanket definition, the fact that I don't like orange juice is a disease or disorder.

No blanket at all. If pedo(a sexual preference) can be considered a disease/disorder, then so can another sexual preference. If that is too much for you to handle then that is your problem.

 

[rjd970]

I believe in free will. Sometimes people pay for the mistakes of their ancestors. It is your premise that God "made" it, if it were a disease, not mine. You think people with dementia don't commit sins that are explicitly condemned by him?

Where did I say I have proof? You're right I have admitted people use studies to drive agendas. You got a point? You are one of the ones that is bothers so much to conceive of this. Why is that? What is it about your emotions or view of the world that does not allow for your brain to go past certain points? Why would it make you uncomfortable if it was one?

Wow, this is really good. Are you kidding?

People pay for the mistakes of their ancestors? So now your saying mental diseases such as pedophilia and homosexuality are punishment condemned on innocent people for the actions of their ancestors, of which they had no control over? And we're the ones with our head in the sand?

Again, show me where dementia is condemned in the bible as a sin and you have a point.

If it is your premise that it is a disease, then it came from somewhere, and God made all of creation, no? The only way to get out of this conundrum is to call it a choice. Or refute the whole idea God created everything. The problem is you want you cake and to eat it too.

 

[rjd970]

No blanket at all. If pedo(a sexual preference) can be considered a disease/disorder, then so can another sexual preference. If that is too much for you to handle then that is your problem.

It is not too much for me to handle. Is the fact that I don't like orange juice a disease or disorder? Like homosexuality, it doesn't hurt anybody else.

Would you say people that enjoy heterosexual sodomy are suffering from a disease or disorder? Or is it only a disease when it is homosexual?

 

[allvol123]

Wow, this is really good. Are you kidding?

People pay for the mistakes of their ancestors? So now your saying mental diseases such as pedophilia and homosexuality are punishment condemned on innocent people for the actions of their ancestors, of which they had no control over? And we're the ones with our head in the sand?

Again, show me where dementia is condemned in the bible as a sin and you have a point.

If it is your premise that it is a disease, then it came from somewhere, and God made all of creation, no? The only way to get out of this conundrum is to call it a choice. Or refute the whole idea God created everything. The problem is you want you cake and to eat it too.

Wow, so if you are the offspring of people that have done drugs and used other harmful sunbstances for years and years you belive there are no effects from this? The environmentalists hate you, they can't use that opinion.

I never said punishment. Laws of nature exist, if I drop a bowling ball on your head, you will hurt whether you had anything to do with the behavior or not.

I have no conundrum, you do. It is the inability to open your thought process. Why does it bother you that it could be?

 

[rjd970]

Wow, so if you are the offspring of people that have done drugs and used other harmful sunbstances for years and years you belive there are no effects from this? The environmentalists hate you, they can't use that opinion.

I never said punishment. Laws of nature exist, if I drop a bowling ball on your head, you will hurt whether you had anything to do with the behavior or not.

I have no conundrum, you do. It is the inability to open your thought process. Why does it bother you that it could be?

Nope, wrong again. That is not what you said. You said it in the context of homosexuality or pedophilia. Tell us again how this is punishment for ancestors past actions.

It doesn't bother me. I just think it is an absurd idea, and it's even more absurd how you're coming to your conclusion.

 

[allvol123]

It is not too much for me to handle. Is the fact that I don't like orange juice a disease or disorder? Like homosexuality, it doesn't hurt anybody else.

Would you say people that enjoy heterosexual sodomy are suffering from a disease or disorder? Or is it only a disease when it is homosexual?

If you live your life calling yourself a sodomist then you probably do have a disorder. As someone else said in here, it is more than the act itself.

So pedos a disease and? If so, why does ILGA include NAMBLA in their membership?

 

[rjd970]

If you live your life calling yourself a sodomist then you probably do have a disorder. As someone else said in here, it is more than the act itself.

So pedos a disease and? If so, why does ILGA include NAMBLA in their membership?

Because they are agenda driven, remember? You've already closed the door on that one.

 

[allvol123]

Nope, wrong again. That is not what you said. You said it in the context of homosexuality or pedophilia. Tell us again how this is punishment for ancestors past actions.

It doesn't bother me. I just think it is an absurd idea, and it's even more absurd how you're coming to your conclusion.

I never called it punishment, find it for me if I did, not your sense that I remember. Laws of nature exist, whether you view them as punishment does not matter. They don't care.

It is absurd to me to desire a man or a child.

 

[allvol123]

Because they are agenda driven, remember? You've already closed the door on that one.

Because they want to stand in arms with people that are very much like themselves, perhaps?

 

[allvol123]

Nope, wrong again. That is not what you said. You said it in the context of homosexuality or pedophilia. Tell us again how this is punishment for ancestors past actions.
.

Not wrong, your assertion is that people can't pay for the mistakes of their ancestors, that is absurd.

 

[rjd970]

I never called it punishment, find it for me if I did, not your sense that I remember. Laws of nature exist, whether you view them as punishment does not matter. They don't care.

It is absurd to me to desire a man or a child.

Ok:

I believe in free will. Sometimes people pay for the mistakes of their ancestors.

What exactly is that called, if not punishment? And if it wasn't in the sense I was talking about, then tell us again why God would make all of creation knowing that perfectly innocent people would be born with an affliction he would explicitely condemn.

The way you view the laws of nature then don't jibe with your religious views then.

It's absurd to me the way you are coming to your disease/disorder conclusion. it very well could be, sure, but I promise I won't come to that conclusion using the thought process you are.

 

[rjd970]

Not wrong, your assertion is that people can't pay for the mistakes of their ancestors, that is absurd.

Where did I say that? With homosexuality, I absolutely think the assertion that it is punishment for past ancestors actions is patently ridiculous. You equating homosexuality with examples of gravity and drug use is asinine.

 

[allvol123]

Ok:



What exactly is that called, if not punishment? And if it wasn't in the sense I was talking about, then tell us again why God would make all of creation knowing that perfectly innocent people would be born with an affliction he would explicitely condemn.

The way you view the laws of nature then don't jibe with your religious views then.

It's absurd to me the way you are coming to your disease/disorder conclusion. it very well could be, sure, but I promise I won't come to that conclusion using the thought process you are.

If you walk by a construction site and someone drops something on your head. Are you being punished? Not in the sense you are accusing me of using the term. You have incurred some harm, but you did not do anything to ask for the harm. I don't view that person was punished for some behavior.

My eyesight is horrible. I have no idea why ,probably has something to do with the people I come from. I don't view it as me being puished though, it is what it is. I don't go around acting like it is ok though and asking for people to accept my poor eyesight.

 

[JZVOL]

It is not too much for me to handle. Is the fact that I don't like orange juice a disease or disorder? Like homosexuality, it doesn't hurt anybody else.

Would you say people that enjoy heterosexual sodomy are suffering from a disease or disorder? Or is it only a disease when it is homosexual?

Has OJ (not Simpson) ever split apart families or caused extreme harm to your anus?

 

[JZVOL]

Wow, this is really good. Are you kidding?

People pay for the mistakes of their ancestors? So now your saying mental diseases such as pedophilia and homosexuality are punishment condemned on innocent people for the actions of their ancestors, of which they had no control over? And we're the ones with our head in the sand?

Again, show me where dementia is condemned in the bible as a sin and you have a point.

If it is your premise that it is a disease, then it came from somewhere, and God made all of creation, no? The only way to get out of this conundrum is to call it a choice. Or refute the whole idea God created everything. The problem is you want you cake and to eat it too.

I know you don't believe in God... but did god create AIDS or STDs? No, it is the result of the actions of people.

 

[rjd970]

I know you don't believe in God... but did god create AIDS or STDs? No, it is the result of the actions of people.

I would love for you to explain how homosexuality is a disease caused by humans, contagious, and medically treatable. These examples I am hearing are ridiculous.

 

[IPorange]

I know you don't believe in God... but did god create AIDS or STDs? No, it is the result of the actions of people.

People made syphilis? Do tell.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I would love for you to explain how homosexuality is a disease caused by humans, contagious, and medically treatable. These examples I am hearing are ridiculous.

You think it is unreasonable that it may be a chemical imbalance?

 

[rjd970]

Has OJ (not Simpson) ever split apart families or caused extreme harm to your anus?

This works both ways. Someone could just as easily say that it wasn't the homosexuality that caused families to split, but the bias and prejudice of the family member(s). And I'm sure homosexuals don't view it as harm, much less extreme.

 

[rjd970]

People made syphilis? Do tell.

In a sense, yes. It evolved due to the actions of people. There is definitely an evolutionary advantage to be being sexually transmitted.

Besides, you're the one that said AIDS and STD's were caused by people, not god. You said can cause AIDS and STD's, through no fault of God. No?