Hot Take on Pruitt and rebuilding

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volroadwarrior said:
Will the graduate transfers count against 2019? I don't think so. If we need JUCOs to win more this and next year---go for it. I am getting tired of losing.
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They count against 18 or 19. So either way it ends up counting against 19 because we are blue shirting guys
 
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BruinVol said:
Ok let's make this clear I like Pruitt and think he is a great fit with one big IF and that is IF he doesn't bolt for Bama in the next few years.
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If Pruitt bolts for Alabama in a few years, that would mean Tennessee has been restored to a position of national relevance and we shouldn't have trouble attracting a top candidate at that time. It's safe to assume that Alabama would only seriously consider Pruitt if he's done a serious turnaround job at Tennessee; if that happens, I welcome it.

Besides, Alabama wants (and will probably get) Dabo anyway. The guy is as much of a Bammer as anyone on the planet, has won a national title, played for another, and has one other playoff appearance, and has basically said (if you read between the lines) he'd like to have the job one day. Even if Pruitt turns Tennessee around, Dabo will be so much more accomplished than Pruitt at whatever time Saban is ready to step away, and he'll be the more attractive candidate.
 
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BruinVol said:
Ok let's make this clear I like Pruitt and think he is a great fit with one big IF and that is IF he doesn't bolt for Bama in the next few years.

Now with that said I think what we are seeing now with how he is recruiting and burning spots for the 2019 class with grad transfers and this latest juco commit is a coach that is prioritizing a long shot at winning now over Buiding for the future.

Imo these spots we keep burning for 2019 are showing a short sided approach to the rebuilding process. I think we need to be saving spots so that the 2019 class can begin to get us back on track.


Everyone knows their next coach is Dooley

Now for the hot take part but I am starting to think there may be some truth to this. Pruitt knows Saban is retiring in a few years and he is desperately trying to win an extra game or two this first year or two so that he puts himself into a better spot to go home. He doesn't really care about taking the approach of rebuilding this thing for the long haul which saving spots for later classes requires.
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Dabo will be their coach.. Book it
 
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Pruitt needs to win and win quickly. To recruit like he truly wants to, he has to show those elite recruits they can compete for championships here. It's not like we're losing spots that were going to be filled by 4-5 star talent. And let's face it, Pruitt also needs to get the fanbase on his side. He's not going to do that by losing. We've all seen enough of that. He's taking a high risk, high reward approach, and personally I like it. I'm tired of being expected to accept mediocrity as our norm. He's trying to win now, and that should absolutely be appreciated.
 
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Weezer said:
Pruitt needs to win and win quickly. To recruit like he truly wants to, he has to show those elite recruits they can compete for championships here. It's not like we're losing spots that were going to be filled by 4-5 star talent. And let's face it, Pruitt also needs to get the fanbase on his side. He's not going to do that by losing. We've all seen enough of that. He's taking a high risk, high reward approach, and personally I like it. I'm tired of being expected to accept mediocrity as our norm. He's trying to win now, and that should absolutely be appreciated.
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Why did Kirby recruit like his hair was on fire before he won but Pruitt can't?
 
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BruinVol said:
What did Kirby recruit like his hair was on fire before he won but Pruitt can't?
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UGA is much easier to recruit than Tennessee. Georgia is a top 5 state for recruits, and it's not like Richt was recruiting horribly. Tennessee has had a decade or more of mediocrity. Dooley and Butch recruited OK, but did very little with the recruits they got.
 
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tomq_123 said:
UGA is much easier to recruit than Tennessee. Georgia is a top 5 state for recruits, and it's not like Richt was recruiting horribly. Tennessee has had a decade or more of mediocrity. Dooley and Butch recruited OK, but did very little with the recruits they got.
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Agreed with this for sure.

Kirby finished 3rd in recruiting after going 7-5. Winning had nothing to do with him doing so well so imo it's plenty fair to expect Pruitt to get into the top 10 in the 2019 class without winning either. That seems like a reasonable comparison to me
 
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bruinvol said:
agreed with this for sure.

Kirby finished 3rd in recruiting after going 7-5. Winning had nothing to do with him doing so well so imo it's plenty fair to expect pruitt to get into the top 10 in the 2019 class without winning either. That seems like a reasonable comparison to me
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7-5 >>> 4-8
 
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tomq_123 said:
UGA is much easier to recruit than Tennessee. Georgia is a top 5 state for recruits, and it's not like Richt was recruiting horribly. Tennessee has had a decade or more of mediocrity. Dooley and Butch recruited OK, but did very little with the recruits they got.
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Georgia might be the best football coaching job in the country.
 
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BruinVol said:
Sure. I expect us to go 7-5 this season and get little to no help from our last few roster additions
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I'd be happy for 6-6 or above. I don't expect recruiting to take off until we get 8 wins or more in 2019. To many teams negative recruiting us right now and our biggest rivals UGA and Bama are at the top of the league right now.
 
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tomq_123 said:
I'd be happy for 6-6 or above. I don't expect recruiting to take off until we get 8 wins or more in 2019. To many teams negative recruiting us right now and our biggest rivals UGA and Bama are at the top of the league right now.
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Don't agree. If butch can sell hope to recruits and recruit well without winning Pruitt can as well or we are in deep trouble.
 
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BruinVol said:
Ok let's make this clear I like Pruitt and think he is a great fit with one big IF and that is IF he doesn't bolt for Bama in the next few years.

Now with that said I think what we are seeing now with how he is recruiting and burning spots for the 2019 class with grad transfers and this latest juco commit is a coach that is prioritizing a long shot at winning now over Buiding for the future.

Imo these spots we keep burning for 2019 are showing a short sided approach to the rebuilding process. I think we need to be saving spots so that the 2019 class can begin to get us back on track.

Now for the hot take part but I am starting to think there may be some truth to this. Pruitt knows Saban is retiring in a few years and he is desperately trying to win an extra game or two this first year or two so that he puts himself into a better spot to go home. He doesn't really care about taking the approach of rebuilding this thing for the long haul which saving spots for later classes requires.
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Bull....just bull. We need help now. I expect a lot of attrition this year and we will be able to fill our allotment next early period. Second, college football is a business with a lot of money and politics floating around. Make up your mind. Do you want a good coach that might become attractive and leave for a better deal or do you want somebody like Butch that will stay home?
 
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BruinVol said:
Why did Kirby recruit like his hair was on fire before he won but Pruitt can't?
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Don't be an idiot. You know the situation Kirby stepped into isn't comparable to what Pruitt is facing. Kirby's success this year was an aberration. He locked down Georgia, a state overflowing with talent. At least 15 of their signees are from the state. That comment just makes you look dumb, and honestly, I don't think you're a dumb person. Are you just trying to stir the pot?
 
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Weezer said:
Don't be an idiot. You know the situation Kirby stepped into isn't comparable to what Pruitt is facing. Kirby's success this year was an aberration. He locked down Georgia, a state overflowing with talent. At least 15 of their signees are from the state. That comment just makes you look dumb, and honestly, I don't think you're a dumb person. Are you just trying to stir the pot?
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Huh?

Sounds like you think Georgia is just in too good of a spot for us to be compared to. We have to get to a point where we occasionally beat them and we did that with Butch so it seems fair to compare Pruitt to smart to me.
 
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tomq_123 said:
This whole idea that Pruitt is just waiting for Saban to retire so he can take over a Bama is a non-starter. First off, there are plenty of Saban disciples that have proven more as head coaches than Pruitt has at this point. Dabo, Smart, Muschamp, Fisher just name a few. Pruitt has proven nothing yet as a head coach and probably isn't even close to being on any short list IF Saban were to retire soon.

Pruitt is recruiting players now to win now to shore up holes in our 2-3 deep for this year and next. That is all he is doing. He is playing both the short game and the long game, not just the long game. Pruitt wants to win now, and I doubt he has put 1 ounce thought into IF Saban retires.
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We seem to look for stuff to kick ourselves in the proverbial cojones over.
 
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BruinVol said:
Don't agree. If butch can sell hope to recruits and recruit well without winning Pruitt can as well or we are in deep trouble.
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How long can you sell hope without delivering? Eventually recruits pick up on that. And I'm not speaking of Pruitt, I'm speaking of UT in general. Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch all sold hope. None delivered. Three previous coaches promised to turn the program around and failed for one reason or another. Recruits aren't as naïve as you want to believe. We've reached the saturation point on selling hope. Pruitt needs results.
 
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livefaith said:
If he brings us back to the point where Bama(postNick) believed he was the right guy, then that would mean he had totally turned us around. I'm not sure leaving to follow what looks to end up being the greatest in CFB history, is in his best interest. Especially when the place you are would have fallen head over heels 8n love with you. Money and family might get him, but we'll would have $$$ then too. Not a given IMO.

Let's just try to beat Vandy right now.
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Sad day in UT history when we say let's try to beat Candy. Just shows us how low our program is right now.
 
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Weezer said:
How long can you sell hope without delivering? Eventually recruits pick up on that. And I'm not speaking of Pruitt, I'm speaking of UT in general. Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch all sold hope. None delivered. Three previous coaches promised to turn the program around and failed for one reason or another. Recruits aren't as naïve as you want to believe. We've reached the saturation point on selling hope. Pruitt needs results.
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So butch was able to sell hope but you don't expect Pruitt to be able to?

That's crazy imo
 
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