House votes to decriminalize marijuana at federal level

[LouderVol]

Why does the level matter? If you disapprove with the level, don’t donate to them.

Why do you believe you need to bring armed government thugs into this equation?

equality under the law is the reason why. under my rules paying less taxes would be available to more groups than it currently is. the current system you are defending creates a tiered system based purely on government favoritism.

it doesn't make cents (pun as point) to not tax something simply because it is religious in nature. religion has nothing to do with the tax.

 

[MercyPercy]

My stance is that it’s not the government’s business and the leftists embrace weaponizing the IRS to attack those organizations that they have issues with. And it’s hypocritical of them to accept PP’s exempt status as well as things like social studies degrees and the arts.

If Olsteen’s church brings enlightenment to elderly followers then what’s the problem? Why should the government be involved?

"If you send me money god will bless you with even more money" is truly some enlightening stuff.

 

[Vol8188]

Lol.

You found the notion of taxing a church before a casino to be laughable, and now you're saying I want to sic the tax man on Christisnity because I 'disapprove' of it.

What a ****in' joke.

Yes. You obviously find something here you disapprove, and therefore wish to sic the tax man on them.

The only thing that’s a joke/laughable is you denying it.

 

[Vol8188]

equality under the law is the reason why. under my rules paying less taxes would be available to more groups than it currently is. the current system you are defending creates a tiered system based purely on government favoritism.

it doesn't make cents (pun as point) to not tax something simply because it is religious in nature. religion has nothing to do with the tax.

I’ve never defended the tax structure based solely on religion. There’s countless religious for profit companies

 

[LouderVol]

Do you realize that he’s made his fortune by selling books? Doesn’t he know that he’s not allowed to be successful? So the government should step in because he isn’t in the poverty class like Jesus? Envy tax.

right, he hasn't made a buck off of all that televangelism where he openly uses religious justification for people sending him money. His church makes about 80 million a year. that is separate from the 55 million HE makes a year from book sales.

oh wait, I am sure he has spent every penny of that doing charitable works.....

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Yes. You obviously find something here you disapprove, and therefore wish to sic the tax man on them.

The only thing that’s a joke/laughable is you denying it.

More like, "If I'm getting taxed out the ass, so should they."

The punchline is that you so ardently defend these institutions when a good deal of them are clearly raking it the **** in.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

No it doesn't. At least not under the operation of entire tax code as it is. if a church won a case saying that taxation was unlawful search and seizure that would apply to far more than churches.

Freedom of religion, speech, assembly doesn't come with ANY explicit, or implied, tax exemptions.

again they aren't being taxed because they are churches. everyone is taxed because they have an income, and under my rules, aren't meeting a charitable threshold.

The IRS code cites it specifically and the 1A/4A attorneys would crucify the agency that tries to take their funds. The stated mission isn’t to turn a profit.

The Left has turned the press into a gray area. Public Broadcasting has sponsors of their “educational” programming while CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are still considered for profit businesses selling ads. Should MSNBC be exempt? Should PBS be taxed? Despite the leftists pining to tax them, it’s still pretty well outlined for religious operations.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

right, he hasn't made a buck off of all that televangelism where he openly uses religious justification for people sending him money. His church makes about 80 million a year. that is separate from the 55 million HE makes a year from book sales.

oh wait, I am sure he has spent every penny of that doing charitable works.....

Ask him if Kenneth Copeland's balls smell like aqua velva.

 

[MercyPercy]

The IRS code cites it specifically and the 1A/4A attorneys would crucify the agency that tries to take their funds. The stated mission isn’t to turn a profit.

The Left has turned the press into a gray area. Public Broadcasting has sponsors of their “educational” programming while CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are still considered for profit businesses selling ads. Should MSNBC be exempt? Should PBS be taxed? Despite the leftists pining to tax them, it’s still pretty well outlined for religious operations.

Like Dink said it doesn't take a genius to determine who is taking advantage of the system and are essentially enriching themselves and the business under the guise of the Church's tax exempt status.

 

[LouderVol]

I’ve never defended the tax structure based solely on religion. There’s countless religious for profit companies

and I have never proposed a tax based solely on religion either.

There are 32.2 million businesses operating in the US. plus who knows how many other foreign entities the IRS goes after. there are less than 400k churches. that would be just over a 1% increase in the number of entities taxed by the IRS. I don't think that is going to require some new division and set of laws in order to accomodate.

 

[LouderVol]

The IRS code cites it specifically and the 1A/4A attorneys would crucify the agency that tries to take their funds. The stated mission isn’t to turn a profit.

The Left has turned the press into a gray area. Public Broadcasting has sponsors of their “educational” programming while CNN, MSNBC, and Fox are still considered for profit businesses selling ads. Should MSNBC be exempt? Should PBS be taxed? Despite the leftists pining to tax them, it’s still pretty well outlined for religious operations.

I don't think the IRS is built to just go after those chasing a profit.

the IRS code is not the 1A/4A. and again there wouldn't be an issue because its not a tax on churches or religion.

as 8188 pointed out there are for profit religious groups. under your argument they shouldn't be taxed either. joel osteen's books probably shouldn't be taxed because I am sure they full of his Prosperity Gospel BS. why wouldn't that be tax exempt too? its religion. Seems like the IRS is already capable of making those distinctions you swear they can't.

 

[Septic]

Like Dink said it doesn't take a genius to determine who is taking advantage of the system and are essentially enriching themselves and the business under the guise of the Church's tax exempt status.

This is low hanging fruit but it's too good not to share if you haven't seen it yet.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

right, he hasn't made a buck off of all that televangelism where he openly uses religious justification for people sending him money. His church makes about 80 million a year. that is separate from the 55 million HE makes a year from book sales.

oh wait, I am sure he has spent every penny of that doing charitable works.....

Exactly. The book sales are separate from the church.

I’d wager he also makes a nice salary same as CEO’s of organizations of similar size. Maybe even a bit more since there wouldn’t be stock based compensation available.

The $80 million is used to grow the church and to spread their message. Tens of thousands or more attend or watch every week. It isn’t cheap to run any operation of that size.

Are you just unhappy because that church didn’t open up their facility to house flood victims? No doubt Rachel Maddow preached that you should be. It really wasn’t constructed to fulfill that function. But I bet that the flock was well represented providing relief in other ways.

 

[LouderVol]

Ask him if Kenneth Copeland's balls smell like aqua velva.

he strikes me as more of a Brut guy.

 

[82_VOL_83]

If we didn't have a spending problem this wouldn't even be a conversation.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

he strikes me as more of a Brut guy.

This is why I'm a man of culture and you are a cute lil sidepiece.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

This is why I'm a man of culture and you are a cute lil sidepiece.

LOL

 

[MercyPercy]

This is low hanging fruit but it's too good not to share if you haven't seen it yet.

I was literally thinking of this guy when I posted that. That guy was totally a paragon of virtue.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Like Dink said it doesn't take a genius to determine who is taking advantage of the system and are essentially enriching themselves and the business under the guise of the Church's tax exempt status.

Even if that’s true, it isn’t the government’s role to police it with an envy tax.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

If we didn't have a spending problem this wouldn't even be a conversation.

It'd still be a problem because I'd still be paying 4 different taxes to sell someone a shot of whiskey.

 

[Vol8188]

More like, "If I'm getting taxed out the ass, so should they."

The punchline is that you so ardently defend these institutions when a good deal of them are clearly raking it the **** in.

A good deal of charities in general are. The difference is I have no distain for religion, so I don’t single those institutions out.

The “so should they!” is the real laughable part here. It’s childish. If something negative is happening to you (taxed out the ass), oppose that. Instead of your childish “I hope bad things happen to more people” nonsense.

Perhaps you should attend a church. Maybe they could help with your malevolence.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

and I have never proposed a tax based solely on religion either.

There are 32.2 million businesses operating in the US. plus who knows how many other foreign entities the IRS goes after. there are less than 400k churches. that would be just over a 1% increase in the number of entities taxed by the IRS. I don't think that is going to require some new division and set of laws in order to accomodate.

And the additional 1% wouldn’t make a material difference fiscally. But it would erode citizen’s rights even more.

 

[LouderVol]

Exactly. The book sales are separate from the church.

I’d wager he also makes a nice salary same as CEO’s of organizations of similar size. Maybe even a bit more since there wouldn’t be stock based compensation available.

The $80 million is used to grow the church and to spread their message. Tens of thousands or more attend or watch every week. It isn’t cheap to run any operation of that size.

Are you just unhappy because that church didn’t open up their facility to house flood victims? No doubt Rachel Maddow preached that you should be. It really wasn’t constructed to fulfill that function. But I bet that the flock was well represented providing relief in other ways.

can't believe I found someone willing to stick up for Joel Osteen. Has his Prosperity Gospel saved you, or made you (tax free) money?

dude has increased his net worth off of selling bs religion, that is enough for me to not like him. and before you try to turn the tables, yeah I don't like all the Catholics who have done the same either and I want them all taxed too.

if he has done so much good work I am sure his charitable work would qualify him under my standard and your Lord and Savior will be safe from the evils of the IRS.

go forth and being profitable brother, spread the word of the almighty dollar!! and as always Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

A good deal of charities in general are. The difference is I have no distain for religion, so I don’t single those institutions out.

The “so should they!” is the real laughable part here. It’s childish. If something negative is happening to you (taxed out the ass), oppose that. Instead of your childish “I hope bad things happen to more people” nonsense.

Perhaps you should attend a church. Maybe they could help with your malevolence.

More like they should be paying their fair share if I have to.

I'm happy with my "malevolence." I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand anything outside of your tiny little bubble. Perhaps you should go outside, make a friend, and cease playing Aldi Chomsky on here.

 

[Vol8188]

and I have never proposed a tax based solely on religion either.

There are 32.2 million businesses operating in the US. plus who knows how many other foreign entities the IRS goes after. there are less than 400k churches. that would be just over a 1% increase in the number of entities taxed by the IRS. I don't think that is going to require some new division and set of laws in order to accomodate.

You’d obviously need to change the existing laws.

But either way, why are you defending the use of force against any charity based on the % they donate?

Why not simply abstain?