Houston/Vols get geography seed screw.

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Vfl2407 said:
So in the Midwest Regional in Indianapolis, the top four seeds all advanced.
Normally, you’d think that the higher ranked teams would be closer to home. But, boy howdy, that is not the case here.

#1 seed Houston is 1,014 miles from Indy
#2 seed Tennessee - Knoxville is 358 miles from Indy
#3 seed Kentucky - Lexington is 189 miles from Indy.
#4 seed Purdue - W.Lafayette is 68 miles from Indy.

Somehow this seems wrong to me.
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If Vol Fans are that much ch1ckensh1t to let a 169 mile gap impact the game vs Kentucky, they need to find a new team
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
My bigger issue was having a 2-3 from same conference in the same region and 2 1s on same side so Florida and Auburn if chalk held up only one SEC team advances and Tennessee and Kentucky should be in different brackets if you truly feel they are 2s and 3s. March is great time to see other matchups and if Tennessee and Kentucky were meant to match up it should be down the road. It was almost like the concession for putting 14 teams in from SEC is they made sure we would cross paths much sooner than necessary to keep from having a log jam of SEC teams at end.
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Hard to do with 14 teams making the tourney. And you aren’t gonna drop or boost a team’s seed number just because of a potential matchup in the second weekend.
 
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Orange-U-Glad said:
Question: which of the #1 seeds will go down first?
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Florida looked the most vulnerable to me…they had a very tough time with a team that could control tempo and play D. Of course it’s all about matchups but between them not being able to get into a comfortable rhythm and not being able to hit foul shots they almost lost yesterday.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Hard to do with 14 teams making the tourney. And you aren’t gonna drop or boost a team’s seed number just because of a potential matchup in the second weekend.
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Yea, if TAMU had held on they would be plying Auburn and if Missouri had played better they could have been playing Arkansas - of course few would picked Arkansas to make it to the sweet 16.

They split the SEC teams as evenly as possible into the 4 regions but used traditional seeding after that - to try to arrange the brackets to any other criteria would be seen by most as trying to rig the outcome IMO.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
So in the Midwest Regional in Indianapolis, the top four seeds all advanced.
Normally, you’d think that the higher ranked teams would be closer to home. But, boy howdy, that is not the case here.

#1 seed Houston is 1,014 miles from Indy
#2 seed Tennessee - Knoxville is 358 miles from Indy
#3 seed Kentucky - Lexington is 189 miles from Indy.
#4 seed Purdue - W.Lafayette is 68 miles from Indy.

Somehow this seems wrong to me.
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Let's see here: 2nd weekend sites

Prudential Center, Newark, NJ (Auburn: 964 mi, Duke: 480 mi, Houston: 1620 mi, Florida: 993 mi)
Chase Center, San Francisco, CA (Auburn: 2446 mi, Duke: 2814 mi, Houston: 1968 mi, Florida: 2703 mi)
State Farm Arena, Atlanta, GA (Auburn: 109 mi, Duke: 380 mi, Houston: 795 mi, Florida: 330 mi)
Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, IN (Auburn: 589 mi, Duke: 602 mi, Houston: 1015 mi, Florida: 864 mi)

Auburn is closest to State Farm, so that one is gone. Duke is next closest to Prudential, so that's gone. Houston is next closest to Lucas Oil (where they are, which is what you're complaining about), and that leaves Florida at Chase Center. Seems like they did it right based on overall seeds.
 
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This isn't a new concept.

It's all about money and ticket sales are the catalyst. The committee knows UK and Purdue fans will travel well and buy up tickets. It's the same stupid reason for holding it in Lucas Oil Stadium instead of an actual basketball arena. More seats=more tickets=more dollars.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
My bigger issue was having a 2-3 from same conference in the same region and 2 1s on same side so Florida and Auburn if chalk held up only one SEC team advances and Tennessee and Kentucky should be in different brackets if you truly feel they are 2s and 3s. March is great time to see other matchups and if Tennessee and Kentucky were meant to match up it should be down the road. It was almost like the concession for putting 14 teams in from SEC is they made sure we would cross paths much sooner than necessary to keep from having a log jam of SEC teams at end.
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I agree. Looking at the S16, KY v TN is the only all SEC game. I think the NCAA knew KY beat TN twice and thought this would be the best scenario to take TN out. The NCAA did not like us suing them and winning. They are very vengeful people.

That being said, I am hoping for an all SEC Final 4.
 
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Good2bavol said:
I agree. Looking at the S16, KY v TN is the only all SEC game. I think the NCAA knew KY beat TN twice and thought this would be the best scenario to take TN out. The NCAA did not like us suing them and winning. They are very vengeful people.

That being said, I am hoping for an all SEC Final 4.
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Total baloney. #BVS
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If Vol Fans are that much ch1ckensh1t to let a 169 mile gap impact the game vs Kentucky, they need to find a new team
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No need for you to be a smart ass because facts spoiled your narrative. Vfl2407 was simply stating the mileage disparity and wondering why that was and you infer he is a chickenshit fan.
 
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Our path to the 16 was friendly. I don't recall anyone complaining that we had it too easy. Our path to the 4 isn't bad. At some point, you have to beat good teams wherever you land.
 
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Sarms58 said:
Florida looked the most vulnerable to me…they had a very tough time with a team that could control tempo and play D. Of course it’s all about matchups but between them not being able to get into a comfortable rhythm and not being able to hit foul shots they almost lost yesterday.
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Yeah when we beat them by 20 a while back, we absolutely controlled tempo and played strong defense. The SEC CG, FLA just played very well that game and we probably were a bit fatigued too.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
More victim mentality. There’s nothing sinister going on with this. Nobody got screwed. It’s just the way it works out sometimes.
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Then explain why Iowa State, a higher #3 seed than Kentucky was placed in the south bracket (Atlanta) instead of the midwest bracket (Indianapolis)? This alone is worth questioning.

It's not about victomhood mentality. It is simply questioning the selection process. Maybe I am missing something, but I can't make sense of Iowa State being pushed to the South Region...for what? To avoid having two Big 12 teams in the same region?
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Then explain why Iowa State, a higher #3 seed than Kentucky was placed in the south bracket (Atlanta) instead of the midwest bracket (Indianapolis)? This alone is worth questioning.

It's not about victomhood mentality. It is simply questioning the selection process. Maybe I am missing something, but I can't make sense of Iowa State being pushed to the South Region...for what? To avoid having two Big 12 teams in the same region?
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Because Houston, as a Big 12 team, was already the #1 seed in the Midwest and the first four teams from a conference have to be placed in different regions, so Iowa State couldn't be there. This has been part of the selection and bracketing principles as long as there's been a committee.

Next question.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Let's see here: 2nd weekend sites

Prudential Center, Newark, NJ (Auburn: 964 mi, Duke: 480 mi, Houston: 1620 mi, Florida: 993 mi)
Chase Center, San Francisco, CA (Auburn: 2446 mi, Duke: 2814 mi, Houston: 1968 mi, Florida: 2703 mi)
State Farm Arena, Atlanta, GA (Auburn: 109 mi, Duke: 380 mi, Houston: 795 mi, Florida: 330 mi)
Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, IN (Auburn: 589 mi, Duke: 602 mi, Houston: 1015 mi, Florida: 864 mi)

Auburn is closest to State Farm, so that one is gone. Duke is next closest to Prudential, so that's gone. Houston is next closest to Lucas Oil (where they are, which is what you're complaining about), and that leaves Florida at Chase Center. Seems like they did it right based on overall seeds.
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Do you think Houston would rather be in California right now where they would have two true nuetral site games or in Indy where they will play a straight up away game against Purdue and then an away game between Kentucky/Tennessee?
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Do you think Houston would rather be in California right now where they would have two true nuetral site games or in Indy where they will play a straight up away game against Purdue and then an away game between Kentucky/Tennessee?
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Kind of my point in the OP. Thanks for making it better than I did.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Hard to do with 14 teams making the tourney. And you aren’t gonna drop or boost a team’s seed number just because of a potential matchup in the second weekend.
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I agree you don't drop or raise but Knetucky could have been a 3 elsewhere or us a 2 elsewhere. I just think chalk should keep same conference teams matching till latest possible chance.
 
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VolCalls said:
Because Houston, as a Big 12 team, was already the #1 seed in the Midwest and the first four teams from a conference have to be placed in different regions, so Iowa State couldn't be there. This has been part of the selection and bracketing principles as long as there's been a committee.

Next question.
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Fair enough. But the rule seems to be outdated now that there has been conference expansion. Teams in the same conference may be located on complete opposite sides of the country. It isn't feasible to keep all these considerations in place.

What should be prioritized is the #1 seed's path. I'm sure Houston would much rather play Iowa St in Indianapolis than Kentucky. Then the #2 seed should be considered, where we would certainly prefer to play Iowa St over Kentucky in Indy.

Instead, the #3 and #4 seed are rewarded over the #1 and #2 seed in this region.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
I agree you don't drop or raise but Knetucky could have been a 3 elsewhere or us a 2 elsewhere. I just think chalk should keep same conference teams matching till latest possible chance.
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The bracketing principles are crystal clear on conference matchups. I would encourage those who are complaining about locations, regions, etc to take some time to read through them and get a better understanding of how teams are placed into the field and how the field is bracketed. They can be found on the NCAA website.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Fair enough. But the rule seems to be outdated now that there has been conference expansion. Teams in the same conference may be located on complete opposite sides of the country. It isn't feasible to keep all these considerations in place.

What should be prioritized is the #1 seed's path. I'm sure Houston would much rather play Iowa St in Indianapolis than Kentucky. Then the #2 seed should be considered, where we would certainly prefer to play Iowa St over Kentucky in Indy.

Instead, the #3 and #4 seed are rewarded over the #1 and #2 seed in this region.
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If this discussion didn’t involve Tennessee playing Kentucky in Indianapolis nobody making these claims would give a rip, you included.
 
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