How Accurate was this Speech?

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#26
Why let UT go? The piece of garbage is campaigning again.
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volinbham said:
has a war ended? Seems we have 3 going on now. I didn't say he started them - although 1 is all his.
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it's not technically a war, it's a "kinetic military action" in support of an "overseas contingency operation" with the purpose of preventing "man-caused disasters"
 
#31
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MG1968 said:
it's not technically a war, it's a "kinetic military action" in support of an "overseas contingency operation" with the purpose of preventing "man-caused disasters"
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I stand corrected.

Interesting how the debt ceiling focus has completely taken Libya off the table.
 
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volinbham said:
I stand corrected.

Interesting how the debt ceiling focus has completely taken Libya off the table.
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It's not a war if we can't identify an enemy or an ally. Duh. This holds true even if both sides consider us an enemy.
 
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rjd970 said:
So? And how is that different from just about every other president we have had in recent history? If this were a republican president, this thread would never have been started, save LG or Gibbs.

The real irony here is if he had done all the things he campaigned on there would be groaning that we cut tail and run in Iraq and Afghanistan, created jobs that weren't real, killed industry with emission standards, spent too much securing the country, and came off as placating to improve our image.

Why not just admit that no matter what he does, it is going to be wrong?
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Because it isn't true. If he "fundamentally transforms" his policies so that they work economically and do not threaten individual rights and liberties then I'll give him more love than you can stand... I'm not holding my breath though.
 
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nbakerld said:
FYP

Though it bothers me that Obama gets so much criticism from Republicans for basically being Bush, it bothers me just as much that Democrats don't criticize him enough for basically being Bush.
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There isn't much difference except the degree to which Obama wants to spend is greater. Bush was a great disappointment.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Are you saying Bush didn't do what he said he would do?
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The one thing that really attracted me to Bush was left undone. He campaigned talking about the "opportunity society" where gov't programs were re-designed to get people off instead of making them dependent.
 
#37
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rjd970 said:
You really don't think Obama gets more flak around here than Bush did?

I don't agree with either Bush or Obama, I think they are both ridiculous, but Obama gets a lot of hate around here that Bush never seemed to get.
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You just compared a drunk on a bicycle to a drunk in a Ferrari.

Obama deserves more because a) he's a liar and hypocrite with his policies and b) as bad as Bush was he didn't grow gov't like Obama has.
 
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#38
What cracks me up is one crying about unfulfilled campaign promises without having voted for BO in the first place. If you voted for him and he didn't follow through then moan all you want. If you didn't vote for him, you mustn't have expected him to keep his promises anyway. Quit whining about what you never thought he'd do to begin with.

And rjd, you've hit the proverbial nail but the truth hurts.
 
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sjt18 said:
You just compared a drunk on a bicycle to a drunk in a Ferrari.

Obama deserves more because a) he's a liar and hypocrite with his policies and b) as bad as Bush was he didn't grow gov't like Obama has.
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a) Helps prove rjd's point.

b) Research prescription drug benefits and DHS.
 
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CSVol said:
What cracks me up is one crying about unfulfilled campaign promises without having voted for BO in the first place. If you voted for him and he didn't follow through then moan all you want. If you didn't vote for him, you mustn't have expected him to keep his promises anyway. Quit whining about what you never thought he'd do to begin with.

And rjd, you've hit the proverbial nail but the truth hurts.
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False dichotomy. I voted against him because I didn't want what he promised. I am critical of him because I don't want what he's done and doing either.

I'm not sure any of his critics here are complaining that he didn't follow through on those promises... only that he is extremely dishonest to have campaigned one way then governed another.
 
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sjt18 said:
False dichotomy. I voted against him because I didn't want what he promised. I am critical of him because I don't want what he's done and doing either.

I'm not sure any of his critics here are complaining that he didn't follow through on those promises... only that he is extremely dishonest to have campaigned one way then governed another.
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If you didn't want what he promised, how can you be upset if he didn't follow through on said promises? Doesn't that work in your favor? As to the second part of your post, go back and read the entire thread.
 
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CSVol said:
If you didn't want what he promised, how can you be upset if he didn't follow through on said promises? Doesn't that work in your favor?
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Again... not if he did something else that was almost as stupid and wrong. I doubt any conservative/libertarian here wanted Obama to basically double down on Bush's policies minus the tax cuts plus Obamacare... but that's pretty much what we got.
 
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CSVol said:
What cracks me up is one crying about unfulfilled campaign promises without having voted for BO in the first place. If you voted for him and he didn't follow through then moan all you want. If you didn't vote for him, you mustn't have expected him to keep his promises anyway. Quit whining about what you never thought he'd do to begin with.

And rjd, you've hit the proverbial nail but the truth hurts.
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I can ***** all I want. He duped many too stupid to see through it, even though his work history and political history said he would be a ridiculous clown.
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#45
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CSVol said:
What cracks me up is one crying about unfulfilled campaign promises without having voted for BO in the first place. If you voted for him and he didn't follow through then moan all you want. If you didn't vote for him, you mustn't have expected him to keep his promises anyway. Quit whining about what you never thought he'd do to begin with.

And rjd, you've hit the proverbial nail but the truth hurts.
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1. It was sarcasm not whining.
2. I can't think of a thing in the speech that I wasn't in favor of - all were good outcomes. I disagreed with the method. Turns out I was right on the methods that would be used yet the outcomes didn't materialize.
3. Love the "if you didn't vote for him you can't complain".
 
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volinbham said:
1. It was sarcasm not whining.
2. I can't think of a thing in the speech that I wasn't in favor of - all were good outcomes. I disagreed with the method. Turns out I was right on the methods that would be used yet the outcomes didn't materialize.
3. Love the "if you didn't vote for him you can't complain".
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By all means, complain away. It's as American as apple pie. And there is plenty about this president to complain about. Having said that, admittedly my approach concerning "lies" went beyond the quoted excerpt. My point was in response to later posts discussing campaign promises. If you didn't vote for BO there were probably reasons, such as closing GITMO and withdrawing from the ME, that played a part in your decision. Promising do do so and not following through would be "lies" to his political base. If you were against these promises, and he failed to follow through on them, why complain?
 
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#50
Bush ran on a platform of smaller government and non-internentionist foreign policy. How well did that work out? I also loved the tough talk on ME dictatorship and socio-economic hardships handed down by corrupt governements, yet still providing support for said governments with the other hand.

And before the 911 card is pulled, nothing was wrong with the Afghan campaign, it was a necessasity. Iraq, while maybe justified, certainly wasn't necessary.
 
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