How Accurate was this Speech?

[MG1968]

Bush ran on a platform of smaller government and non-internentionist foreign policy. How well did that work out? I also loved the tough talk on ME dictatorship and socio-economic hardships handed down by corrupt governements, yet still providing support for said governments with the other hand.

And before the 911 card is pulled, nothing was wrong with the Afghan campaign, it was a necessasity. Iraq, while maybe justified, certainly wasn't necessary.

was it non-interventionist, or was it a policy of not involving the US military into conflicts where the US has no clear national interest (ie, Kosovo)?

 

[rjd970]

Bush, 2000 Presidential Debate:

"If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road. And I'm going to prevent that."

How does the decision to go into Iraq fit into that? And what was the clear national interest? Saddam was in check before we invaded and the WMDs were a farce.

Was the invasion of Iraq justified? Sure, so is an invasion of N. Korea (who actually has WMDs). I won't argue that. But it certainly wasn't necessary. And the only "national interest" was a nation building excercise, which he specifically campaigned against.

Again, every president is the same. Parsing words and meanings are only for the presidents we agree with, the others have to be held to every word. That about the way this works, and seems to be the point of threads like these.

This the point of my comments.

 

[zjcvols]

Bush, 2000 Presidential Debate:



How does the decision to go into Iraq fit into that? And what was the clear national interest? Saddam was in check before we invaded and the WMDs were a farce.

Was the invasion of Iraq justified? Sure, so is an invasion of N. Korea (who actually has WMDs). I won't argue that. But it certainly wasn't necessary. And the only "national interest" was a nation building excercise, which he specifically campaigned against.

Again, every president is the same. Parsing words and meanings are only for the presidents we agree with, the others have to be held to every word. That about the way this works, and seems to be the point of threads like these.

This the point of my comments.

I wonder if you asked Bush personally, if he would still invade Iraq and go after N. Korea, invade both, or invade neither.

 

[rjd970]

I wonder if you asked Bush personally, if he would still invade Iraq and go after N. Korea, invade both, or invade neither.

Unless Bob Woodward and Ron Suskind's books were a complete fabrication, Bush had Iraq on his mind the moment he became president. 911 just gave him the political capital to get it done. My bet is he still would go into Iraq.

 

[sjt18]

The two Bush presidencies have caused me to permanently foreswear voting for the lesser of two evils. To that end, if the GOP runs Romney or someone like him... I will vote third party even if it means Obama gets a second term.

Conservatives/libertarians need to take a longer view of politics. If we continue to reward the GOP for running guys like McCain, Dole, Bush I, Bush II,.... then that's what we'll get.

 

[sjt18]

Almost all spy agencies including the Russians thought Saddam had WMD's. IF that is a justification then the invasion was justified.

IMHO, I think Iraq was looked at as "doable" whereas the wiser policy wonks knew that Afghanistan wasn't. What Obama has done there will probably end up making things much worse. We are NOT going to leave a stabile gov't. Whatever replaces it will NOT be friendly to US interests.

 

[rjd970]

The two Bush presidencies have caused me to permanently foreswear voting for the lesser of two evils. To that end, if the GOP runs Romney or someone like him... I will vote third party even if it means Obama gets a second term.

Conservatives/libertarians need to take a longer view of politics. If we continue to reward the GOP for running guys like McCain, Dole, Bush I, Bush II,.... then that's what we'll get.

The problem with both political parties is they hold the opponent's guy to a higher standard than their own guy. Completely backwards from what it should be.

I would be willing to bet the vast majority of Obama voters viewed Bush as unable to do anything right, and I bet a lot of Bush voters see Obama in the same way. Of course, nobody wants to admit this in the interest of coming across as "impartial".

 

[rjd970]

Almost all spy agencies including the Russians thought Saddam had WMD's. IF that is a justification then the invasion was justified.

IMHO, I think Iraq was looked at as "doable" whereas the wiser policy wonks knew that Afghanistan wasn't. What Obama has done there will probably end up making things much worse. We are NOT going to leave a stabile gov't. Whatever replaces it will NOT be friendly to US interests.

IMHO, the invasion was justified for a number of reasons other than the WMDs. The thumbing off of UN weapons inspectores, violation of UN no-fly zones, and complete disregard to basic human rights for the Kurds in the north made it justifiable. I don't, however, think it was necessary.

Afghan, while isn't as "doable" was certainly justified and necessary.

 

[KiffinKiller]

How do you view Libya, if I may ask?

 

[volinbham]

No one is impartial.

As to the OP - it was commentary on the megalomania/naivety in the speech rather than nitpicking campaign promises that weren't supported.

Bush sucked. Obama sucks. Obama is the current POTUS and the "oceans receding" speech is emblematic of the rhetoric that can't be backed up approach of his.

 

[gsvol]

The two Bush presidencies have caused me to permanently foreswear voting for the lesser of two evils. To that end, if the GOP runs Romney or someone like him... I will vote third party even if it means Obama gets a second term.

Conservatives/libertarians need to take a longer view of politics. If we continue to reward the GOP for running guys like McCain, Dole, Bush I, Bush II,.... then that's what we'll get.

From Kennedy to Bush II I wrote in Pat Paulsen and
Foster Brooks except when I wrote in cartoon
characters.

I had to vote for Bush over Gore, Al is mentally ill and
stupid to boot and then there was John Kerry, no one
holds Kerry in lower regard than me, plus he is a retard.

I'm definately no fan of Juan McLame.

Actually I think the rules are that no former POW can
hold political office but then there are exceptions made.

Palin and Cain are the only two R candidates I will
vote for.

I didn't vote for Alexander in the last election (although
I didn't vote for his opponent and doubt I will ever vote
for either Alexander or Corker again.

Either one could have singlehanded killed the pedophile
protection act which btw lists all muslims as being
especially protected by hate act crimes including if
you speak out against them, whether what you say is
true or not, you just aren't permitted to say anything.

That isn't being enforced yet but some day there will
be a test case as Vick was the case to establish the
law to ban interstate commerce of certain animals.