How bad does UT (or you) want to win?

#28
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Volfan8282 said:
Sorry, can’t agree. That’s essentially losing to every ranked opponent we’ll face. Or at best going 1-4. If that’s the expectation, shut the thing down.
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Lmao “if 8-9 a year is the expectation, just give up!” That’s probably the dumbest thing I’ve heard
 
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Godfatha said:
There comes expectations with the kind of money Texas A&M was paying. I do think it would take longer for UT to make a move than A&M did, but I think a bunch of mediocre season like Jimbo had would get him fired here too.
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We aren't too far removed from realizing that at decade of 4-5 win seasons is possible if you have the wrong coach. JH has elevated us. Even going a slightly unpleasant 8-4 is an upgrade drastically from where we were. Would take 2-3 years of really bad stuff going on for us to change. JH is elevating talent...we're not going to out talent UGA/Bama, etc, but if we can out talent most of the rest and win on scheme with strong QB play, we'll be fine. It's going to be a LONG time before we start crying b/c we only win 9-10 games in a season. I'm happy we're at least semi relevant from where we've come from. It's a process.
 
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After 4 years we should be expecting 10-2 or 9-3 seasons while competing for sec title every 2-3 years. And winning title once every 4-5 and making 12 team playoff at least once every 3 years and 2 every 4 years type frequency or better. 8-4 should be the bare minimum after the 4th year of Heupel’s tenure and should not happen more than 1 time every 4 years. To compete in the sec you cannot settle for anything less. We are the 11th winning program in the country with a fan base that is as loyal as there is. The standard has to be competing for sec and national championships every 2-3 years out of 5. The goal can never waiver.GBO
 
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temptn said:
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It is already here, one team in the SEC is undefeated.
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Yes, in 2023.

I was talking about going forward to 2025 ish when an extra conference games is expected to be added.

Just think that the days of anyone getting through the SEC undefeated are going to be very rare. You may see it once a decade or something vs the every other year kind of thing you see now
 
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HollowaytoSeivers said:
As a matter of fact, yes. Bill Battle was HC at Tennessee from 1970-1976, finishing with a 59-22-2 record, a winning percentage of .723. And Coach Battle never had a losing record; his worse record being 6-5 in his last season. He also coached the Vols in five bowl games, going 4-1. This is a considerably better winning percentage than Jimbo had at A&M.

Now, there's more to this than meets the eye. Coach Battle's teams won 10 or more games in this first three seasons, leading to a sparkling 31-5 record. After five seasons, his record was still an excellent 46-12-2. His teams then went 13-10 in his last two seasons, with no bowl appearances. The two biggest factors to Coach Battle's being forced out after 1976 was: 1) No SEC championships, despite a glittering record. 2) A steady decline in the team's wins and losses, due in part, to questionable coaching decisions, so-so recruiting, and the team facilities falling into poor shape. A possible third reason was that Coach Battle had played college football at the Vols biggest rival, Alabama, which like with Pruitt, was more than the fanbase could handle.
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That, plus IMO most of the fanbase wanted Johnny Majors.
 
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No excuses for him losing that much with the talent accrued and resources provided. Jameis made that guy a rich man. Same thing Cam did for Gus. A&M has everything to be elite they just can't seem to get the right coach
 
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volfan4evr said:
That, plus IMO most of the fanbase wanted Johnny Majors.
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And with today's lack of patience in building or rebuilding a program, Coach Majors might not have gotten a fifth year. His four year record (1977-1980) was 21-23-1. His signature win during that period was a 40-18 win over Notre Dame in 1979. Coach Majors was quoted several times saying that he didn't realize things were as bad as they were at Tennessee when he accepted the job.
 
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HollowaytoSeivers said:
And with today's lack of patience in building or rebuilding a program, Coach Majors might not have gotten a fifth year. His four year record (1977-1980) was 21-23-1. His signature win during that period was a 40-18 win over Notre Dame in 1979. Coach Majors was quoted several times saying that he didn't realize things were as bad as they were at Tennessee when he accepted the job.
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It doesn't take near as long to rebuild a major program now a days.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmfao if you don’t want to fire everyone right now, you don’t want to win enough!
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My thoughts exactly. What an insane world we live in.

Jimbo got fired because A&M had apparently peaked and had begun to regress under his leadership. As long as our coaches (particularly our defensive coaches) continue to improve upon results from the previous season, they aren't going anywhere. Nor should they.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
Sorry, can’t agree. That’s essentially losing to every ranked opponent we’ll face. Or at best going 1-4. If that’s the expectation, shut the thing down.
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He did say that was the expectation... he basically said that should be consistent floor and I agree. Average 9 wins and occasionally make a run.
 
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HollowaytoSeivers said:
He also left Florida State in far worse shape than when he arrived in Tallahassee. But VN knows something about an HC or two doing that, don't we?
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“Nothing to show”…the man won a national championship. Let’s not be ignorant enough to claim he has nothing to show
 
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hog88 said:
I think the expectation should be consistent 10-2 seasons with an 8-4/9-3 season sprinkled in along with an occasional 11-1. Consistent 8-4/9-3 is just accepting mediocracy.
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That would be ideal, but unrealistic IMO.

That would basically be a return to the glory days of 89-04, which we are 20 years removed from. It would be equivalent to what Florida did with Spurrier in the 90s or what LSU did with Miles in the mid 2000s. I don't think it's accepting mediocrity to admit that we don't have the recruiting base to pull that off. Mediocre is 7 wins, IMO. 9 is good. 10 or more is great. I don't think we have the recruiting base to be consistently great. JMO.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
First let me just state clearly I am in no way calling for any of our coaching staff to be fired before people start belly aching. With that said...

Jimbo Fisher just got fired with a 6-4 record and is owed 3x more money than any coach who has ever been fired $76M.

He has had 1 losing season (5-7)
Has an overall record of 45-25 (.643 win %)
Has beaten all of his division rivals at least once
Beat #10 Arkansas, #8 LSU, #6 LSU #4 Florida and #1 Bama
Won the Orange Bowl

That certainly got my attention and got me thinking.

So, would UT ever fire a coach that did that? Forget about how much money owed. Would UT feel so strongly about winning that they would let THAT coach go? I think being in the SEC with two new good teams coming into the league we are in a whole new world of compete-now and win-now.

I'll hang up and listen.
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they fired a coach that won a NC and had a 152-52 record. So yes, they would fire a coach like that.
 
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LWSVOL said:
they fired a coach that won a NC and had a 152-52 record. So yes, they would fire a coach like that.
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Yeah but Fulmer was clearly out of gas after 17 years. Not the same as a guy in year 6 who hadn't done brilliantly but who hadn't done poorly either.
 
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Sometimes I feel like CJH will end up being Johnny Majors 2.0 rebuilding the program but not taking it to its ultimate peak like his successor did.

The SEC is about to become absolutely insane with competition.
 
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I remember when Fulmer got a contract extension that included a bonus for any season that finished 8-4 or better.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmao “if 8-9 a year is the expectation, just give up!” That’s probably the dumbest thing I’ve heard
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8-4 can’t be the expectation for the reasons I laid out. If you’re beating 3 OOC cupcakes and 5 unranked SEC opponents, then yeah call it a day. That’s a borderline top 25 team… that’s unacceptable here. I would agree with Hog’s assessment… Average 9-10 wins with an occasional 8 wins and an occasional 11+ wins.
 
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