How bad does UT (or you) want to win?

#76
#76
Averaging 5 losses a year and 3 losses in conference play a year for six years while having top 10 recruiting classes and making millions is why he got fired. He got 2nd place and 3rd place in the west once and nothing else higher in 6 yrs.
 
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LWSVOL said:
how many Nattys has Tennessee had in the last 81 years? I've always wondered why people expected more. Not the history for Tennessee as their Natty's have really been spaced out since Neyland. Well. we've had one.

When do you expect the next one?
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I have no delusions on how hard it is to win a National Championship. It's a matter of catching lighting in a bottle unless you build a program like Bama or now Georgia where you get all the top players each year. Every other program outside these top tiered schools don't really have a good chance to win it. Every school still wants to win it though, it's why we play the game.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
Yeah but Fulmer was clearly out of gas after 17 years. Not the same as a guy in year 6 who hadn't done brilliantly but who hadn't done poorly either.
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Fisher hasn't sniffed a conference title in a decade, and never managed more than 5 conference wins at A&M, outside of the covid season.

Extending his contract by 4 more years in 2021 was moronic.

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Volfan8282 said:
Had no faith that he would ever compete with Saban or Meyer. Letting him go wasn’t the mistake. Unfortunate events and bad hires were the undoing.
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Only UT was so dumb not to have a succession plan for a coach they knew was on his way out.
 
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LWSVOL said:
how many Nattys has Tennessee had in the last 81 years? I've always wondered why people expected more. Not the history for Tennessee as their Natty's have really been spaced out since Neyland. Well. we've had one.

When do you expect the next one?
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I don't expect a natty per se. They are hard to win especially going to a 12 team playoff it will be even harder, however I expect that UT is still in the 12 team playoff every single year or at least 8 out of every 10 years. Whether they actually win it is more up to luck and timing.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Then what was the purpose of this thread, as it seems to be a question about just that.
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Then your reading comprehension needs work. I literally stated at the beginning of the post the first sentence actually that I am not calling for anyone to be fired. I'm simply asking the question would UT have the guts to get rid of a guy like Fisher in order to remain competitive in an even tougher SEC going forward.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
I don't expect a natty per se. They are hard to win especially going to a 12 team playoff it will be even harder, however I expect that UT is still in the 12 team playoff every single year or at least 8 out of every 10 years. Whether they actually win it is more up to luck and timing.
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Until Tennessee gets back to dominating the lower level SEC programs, they will not compete regularly with the top SEC programs and contend for playoff spots.

I'm talking the USC, Mizzou, UK and VU type schools. Back in time, we never lost to them. Now we have a hard time beating all of them three years in a row. Until we start doing that we won't compete for playoffs.

We also have to recruit top five classes consistently to compete. Georgia has seven straight years of top five recruiting classes and we see what that does. Took 6 years to reach the championship level for Kirby even recruiting like that.

Tennessee has a long way to go to compete. First off, have to start winning those low level conference games every year.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
Only UT was so dumb not to have a succession plan for a coach they knew was on his way out.
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Hammy did have a plan and that plan was CLK, his plan failed. Then to make matters worse Hammy panicked and hired Dooley.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
First let me just state clearly I am in no way calling for any of our coaching staff to be fired before people start belly aching. With that said...

Jimbo Fisher just got fired with a 6-4 record and is owed 3x more money than any coach who has ever been fired $76M.

He has had 1 losing season (5-7)
Has an overall record of 45-25 (.643 win %)
Has beaten all of his division rivals at least once
Beat #10 Arkansas, #8 LSU, #6 LSU #4 Florida and #1 Bama
Won the Orange Bowl

That certainly got my attention and got me thinking.

So, would UT ever fire a coach that did that? Forget about how much money owed. Would UT feel so strongly about winning that they would let THAT coach go? I think being in the SEC with two new good teams coming into the league we are in a whole new world of compete-now and win-now.

I'll hang up and listen.
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Makes no difference at this point!
 
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LWSVOL said:
Until Tennessee gets back to dominating the lower level SEC programs, they will not compete regularly with the top SEC programs and contend for playoff spots.

I'm talking the USC, Mizzou, UK and VU type schools. Back in time, we never lost to them. Now we have a hard time beating all of them three years in a row. Until we start doing that we won't compete for playoffs.

We also have to recruit top five classes consistently to compete. Georgia has seven straight years of top five recruiting classes and we see what that does. Took 6 years to reach the championship level for Kirby even recruiting like that.

Tennessee has a long way to go to compete. First off, have to start winning those low level conference games every year.
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That’s why I like the emphasis on run game and defense. It SHOULD produce some consistency against lower level comp and set a floor for the program, but we fell through the floor Saturday
 
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Vol8188 said:
“Nothing to show”…the man won a national championship. Let’s not be ignorant enough to claim he has nothing to show
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I never claimed he had "nothing to show." I actually used your quote to make my point. Again, as another person has shown, Jimbo never came close to the same success again at FSU, and left things so bad that it took another five seasons to get the Noles back to the level of Bobby Bowden's tenure. Granted, 2020 probably shouldn't be included in that assessment, but it still took awhile to return FSU to prominence again.
 
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I think the fanbase has tempered expectations a tad lower after the debacle of the last 15 years. During that span it felt like the coaching carosel could seemingly go on forever and we were in a place where mediocre coaches weren't even interested in taking an interview.

So, yes, I think the fanbase would grow eventually tired of mediocre seasons, but the leash is longer than it has been for a while.
 
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HollowaytoSeivers said:
I never claimed he had "nothing to show." I actually used your quote to make my point. Again, as another person has shown, Jimbo never came close to the same success again at FSU, and left things so bad that it took another five seasons to get the Noles back to the level of Bobby Bowden's tenure. Granted, 2020 probably shouldn't be included in that assessment, but it still took awhile to return FSU to prominence again.
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My quote was in response to someone saying he had nothing to show.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
First let me just state clearly I am in no way calling for any of our coaching staff to be fired before people start belly aching. With that said...

Jimbo Fisher just got fired with a 6-4 record and is owed 3x more money than any coach who has ever been fired $76M.

He has had 1 losing season (5-7)
Has an overall record of 45-25 (.643 win %)
Has beaten all of his division rivals at least once
Beat #10 Arkansas, #8 LSU, #6 LSU #4 Florida and #1 Bama
Won the Orange Bowl

That certainly got my attention and got me thinking.

So, would UT ever fire a coach that did that? Forget about how much money owed. Would UT feel so strongly about winning that they would let THAT coach go? I think being in the SEC with two new good teams coming into the league we are in a whole new world of compete-now and win-now.

I'll hang up and listen.
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You forget Fulmer?
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
Then your reading comprehension needs work. I literally stated at the beginning of the post the first sentence actually that I am not calling for anyone to be fired. I'm simply asking the question would UT have the guts to get rid of a guy like Fisher in order to remain competitive in an even tougher SEC going forward.
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My reading comprehension is fine. You say that but then ask the question around whether Tennessee would fire a coach for that which makes this a thread about when to fire a coach.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
So, yes, I think the fanbase would grow eventually tired of mediocre seasons, but the leash is longer than it has been for a while.
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The problem is with the definition of what is a mediocre season. For some it may be a loss or two, for others 3 to 4 may be acceptable and for others it is not even about how many losses but who the losses are to and even others where it more about who you beat.

There are teams we should consistently beat - I am not going to say never lose to because there is always a chance any team gets a good coach and a marquee player and wins a game ever now and then. Missouri is such a team - they will more than likely never be a UGA or Bama but they are going to have good years. Same is true of Ole Miss and MSU - they will more than likely never rise to that top level but will be competitive. That is basically where we are at.

I have been a Vol fan all my life and I am more than likely a lot older than most in this forum. For me it has always been about the team playing to the best of their ability for every game, winning those they should and being competitive in the games where they are obviously outmanned.

The days of one or two teams that will dominant year in and year out is coming to a close IMO. The transfer portal along with NIL and the consolidation of the conferences is changing the landscape. It is going to be very difficult for any team to come out of these 'super conferences' without one or two losses each year. I could see teams losing 3 or 4 games and still making it to the CFP.
 
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volfan102455 said:
My reading comprehension is fine. You say that but then ask the question around whether Tennessee would fire a coach for that which makes this a thread about when to fire a coach.
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Which is not the same thing as me saying it's time to fire our coach
 
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wmcovol said:
regardless, His record surpassed everything Fisher did at A&M by a mile. And he got fired. So yes, Tennessee would fire him but never pay out $77 million.
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If you take Fulmers last 6 years (Jimbo’s tenure at A&M) and compare to Fisher they are pretty similar. Fulmer 49-27 Fisher 45-25 with at least 6 games less since 2020 was a shortened season and him being fired with 2 games left.
 
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hog88 said:
If you take Fulmers last 6 years (Jimbo’s tenure at A&M) and compare to Fisher they are pretty similar. Fulmer 49-27 Fisher 45-25 with at least 6 games less since 2020 was a shortened season and him being fired with 2 games left.
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I’m not attacking the decision to fire Fulmer. I agreed with it at the time. The question was posted, with JF record, would Tennessee fire this guy & I posted they fired a guy with better record than Fisher had.
 
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