How did Auburn do it?

[butchna]

Fade gets it.. Cbj may turn out Ok but malzahn is light years ahead of our staff. I'm not sure why we didn't approach him both times..

It goes back to playing to your strengths n using the talent u have n then transition your system. Cbj is stubborn n that is a flaw just like rich rod at Mich...

Soooo Malzahn would have run the same system as last year, instead of converting to his offense? If we had hired him? :question:

 

[KingtUT]

Fade gets it.. Cbj may turn out Ok but malzahn is light years ahead of our staff. I'm not sure why we didn't approach him both times..

It goes back to playing to your strengths n using the talent u have n then transition your system. Cbj is stubborn n that is a flaw just like rich rod at Mich...

A resident of Texas.......nough said.

 

[1truevol]

UT and Auburn were in almost the exact situation a few years ago. Auburn sucked, was going through a coaching change and had the NCAA looking into their program. All of the sudden they are a top 5 team. What can TN learn from this?

Three consecutive top 10 recruiting classes during that span is one of the biggest reasons they've been able to do what they've done. That...combined with the fact they've been willing to sign two great athletes that we're kicked out of other SEC programs. See....good character doesn't matter! Just win baby!!! Lol

 

[fade route]

The butthurt over any team outside of Knoxville having even the smallest amount of success is laughable. Many of you need to grow up.

 

[terrypedigo]

Thank about I told my son what if that had been us against bama, people would have been jumping off bridges.hmy:

 

[terrypedigo]

Soooo Malzahn would have run the same system as last year, instead of converting to his offense? If we had hired him? :question:

I believe in time the NCAA will be calling GUS, so I still would stick to the brick by brick, I know that's a old saying and people are getting tired of hearing it to build the proper house it takes time you just don't hitch it to a Truck and carry it to the nearest hill side.

 

[lilesrt]

There's no "we". There were caretakers of the program that didn't do their jobs (Kiffin, Hamilton, Dooley) their due diligence with the decisions they made that ultimately wound up hurting the program very badly. Fortunately, they're no longer here, unless you wanna indirectly throw Cheek in there.

As a fan I know I sure as hell wasn't involved in any if those decisions. Not saying I'd have done any better, just saying that fans are "held hostage" to the decisions made by those in charge at the moment.

You are 100% correct. I am sorry for the "we" connotation. I meant it as we = Tennessee. I thoroughly agree that we "the fans" have been taken hostage by the poor decisions of a select few.

 

[jasonvol18]

UT and Auburn were in almost the exact situation a few years ago. Auburn sucked, was going through a coaching change and had the NCAA looking into their program. All of the sudden they are a top 5 team. What can TN learn from this?

Auburn has had the talent, they finally got some Competent Coach's and have a QB now. Plus the D line has gotten a yr older with Gabe Wright being a Soph and Carl Lawson is just a FR and playing great. Damn I hate we missed out on those 2. But Marshsll is a player.

 

[jasonvol18]

Land big time defensive recruits and get Georgias second string qb.

He wasnt a QB at GA. He was in the secondary and that's why he left. Mettenberger was 2nd string then.

 

[MSCE09]

Malzan recruited the offense over the past 4 years except last year. Not really a first year HC situation.

 

[jasonvol18]

I think the biggest difference is Malzahn is absolutely legit and UT should have backed up the armored truck full of cash to his doorstep last year.

And Malzahn has pretty much groomed Lashley ( Spelling), so playing under him in HS and now being his OC they are on the same page. They had a good offensive gameplan yesterday, showed they could pass and will give Ala something to think about. Marshall is the kind of QB that has always given Saban fits.

 

[jasonvol18]

Cam got paid.

Slive ignored it.

Fairley and their defense was dirty.

Slive ignored it.

Vern smiled at finding a new version of Tebow to slobber over.

One of the worst national champion coaches ever hoist the trophy.

I'm not sure Slive ignored it. With Saban's life partner a very big part of the SEC if the NCAA could have found something they would have, guarantee Saban and I forget the guys name knew what was going on but just couldnt prove it. I'm sure Slive didnt want AU getting caught though, with him having a goal of no teams on probation. He picked the wrong Conference to set that goal.

 

[jasonvol18]

There is always a probability that Auburn will be back into the NCAA investigation Mode, because Alabama Fans will always find a way to make that happen. If Auburn gets hotter then Alabama will start creating ways to stir the NCAA pot.

Exactly. Both teams have done that to each other for Decades, back to Ramsey and Jelks. AU has tried during this run but Saban has his boy in the infractions committee watching his back, nothing will happen while he is there or when Saban leaves.

 

[Daloth]

his record was, but he had had success as a coordinator and wasn't Dooley in terms of how he led, treated people, etc. Records aside, he was NOT Dooley. He wasn't a great HC, but he was not Dooley. He also hired Malzahn which is still paying off and was the smartest thing he did, except that it ended up costing him his job. On the flip side, he would not have had his job as long as he did if not for Malzahn, so I guess it's a wash. If Dooley even made a great hire or kept a great asst coach, it could have made a big difference.

The best offense in UT history wasn't run by a great Offensive coordinator?

Wilcox, Sirmon, Pittman, and Chaney were all great hires. And we know wilcox and sirmon left more because of the AD than because of Dooley.

cue everyone thinking I'm now defending dooley instead of having a rational discussion about the three good things he did. (CP, some good assistants, no more sanctions)

 

[jasonvol18]

I believe in time the NCAA will be calling GUS, so I still would stick to the brick by brick, I know that's a old saying and people are getting tired of hearing it to build the proper house it takes time you just don't hitch it to a Truck and carry it to the nearest hill side.

You may be right but Chizzik was always the yes man at Auburn. They hired him knowing he would do it the Auburn way and keep his mouth shut. Jaycob's,Dye and several others run that down there. Just like the rumors for years about funneling money through the Chaplain down there. If even half of the rumors are true of whats gone on since the Dye Era they could shut them down SMU style.

 

[jasonvol18]

The best offense in UT history wasn't run by a great Offensive coordinator?

Wilcox, Sirmon, Pittman, and Chaney were all great hires. And we know wilcox and sirmon left more because of the AD than because of Dooley.

cue everyone thinking I'm now defending dooley instead of having a rational discussion about the three good things he did. (CP, some good assistants, no more sanctions)

Agreed. He did make some really good initial hires and keeping Lance Thompson. Dooley just didnt have many great recruiters, which is one reason we lack speed and talent. Wilvox was a West Coast guy and hadnt learned to recruit the south and develop relationships that is especially important with Southern Moms, Dads and Grandparents. And of course we find out Dooley burned alot of bridges with HS Coach's in Ala, GA and Florida that Jones is having to reestablish and repair, especially in TN. Dooley's first staff had better assistant Coach's bust they still had Dooley, but we have a better HC and better recruiters now. Jury is still out on how well the assistant Coach's are at Coaching. But they can't be judged with the players they have now, will know in a few yrs but have confidence in Coach Jones having the right guys in.

 

[Fullfillmer]

UT and Auburn were in almost the exact situation a few years ago. Auburn sucked, was going through a coaching change and had the NCAA looking into their program. All of the sudden they are a top 5 team. What can TN learn from this?

Well I am going to start by saying that you are trying to compare Mr. Night with Mr. Day.

Mr. Night -- has averaged a recruiting class that has averaged 7 th or 8 th over the last 4 years - little attrition -- and most if not all were recruited to run CGM's offense, sets, and plays.

Mr. Day -- on the other hand has averaged a recruiting class in the 23 - 35 range the last 4 years - has had tremendous, I mean tremendous attrition of both coaches, and players on top of that and now are working once again on learning a new offensive scheme and system. Similar things have occurred on the defensive side of the ball.

I am much happier in the capable hands of CBJ and staff than I would be with CGM and crew. This year Auburn and Mr. Night are doing better - two years from now my money is on Mr. Day and co.

 

[orangeluvr]

auburn recruited.

 

[Dooby15]

auburn recruited.

This. Lets not forget how bad Kiffin's class turned out. It was like we skipped a year in recruiting. I saw last night where Auburn rotates 11 d-linemen. Do we even have 11?

 

[HardKnoxVol]

For the thousandth time, Chizik (although sucked at coaching) recruited a top 5 class every single year. Dooley's classes regressed every year. They've always had the talent, just not the coaching.

 

[NashVOL93]

The best offense in UT history wasn't run by a great Offensive coordinator?

Wilcox, Sirmon, Pittman, and Chaney were all great hires. And we know wilcox and sirmon left more because of the AD than because of Dooley.

cue everyone thinking I'm now defending dooley instead of having a rational discussion about the three good things he did. (CP, some good assistants, no more sanctions)

Try again. Chaney was hired by Kiffin and I suspect Pittman was hired on his recommendation.

 

[NashVOL93]

They rehire the brains of the national championship operation with the batsh-t crazy wife and sweet visor.

Despite the whupping he put on us a few weeks ago, I have to respect Gus's glasses and sweater vest game. I like to call it Sunday school swag.

 

[ncvol17]

that the state of Alabama is a to bed of div 1 talent

 

[Daloth]

Try again. Chaney was hired by Kiffin and I suspect Pittman was hired on his recommendation.

Who was re hired by Dooley.

It's like this crazy guy on twitter saying we got CP because of Couch and Worley and Dooley had nothing to do with it. Chaney was Dooley's OC, and had one of the best offensive years the SEC has seen. How he got here doesn't really matter, what matter's is Dooley's name was on the fine print of everything, good (and mostly) bad.

 

[HardKnoxVol]

I thought that was a terrible idea at the time. Now, looking back I think it would have been a good hire.

I thought the same thing. At the time, we just wanted to get rid of anyone that anything to do with Fulmer. May not have been the best decision