how is Hussein Obama going to pay for this

[emainvol]

We are going to PRINT IT! Then when the economy goes in the tank, it will be like post WWI Germany when you needed a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread! Bigger Government is not the answer to any of our problems!

Are you suggesting that is a new thing?

 

[MontereyVol]

Nothing in his policy is creating something new to open doors to something else. It's all handy-man stuff that shouldn't take some presidential-elect decree to do.

Making buildings energy efficient? Cool, but I would wait until the buldings need refurbished anyway. If you've got 10 more years before windows and what not need replaced, wait, so that you're not replacing something then replacing it again. (Like buying a hybrid to save gas, when you just bought a car 3 years ago. The break even point is a lot larger than if you were in the market for a car already, and decided on a hybrid)

Roads and Bridges: States should already by doing this. If they aren't, then what's all this mess going on in downtown knoxville? What will happen is the government will put up some one-time offer for roads and bridges, and states and cities will start "fixing" things that aren't broken just to get their hands on the loot.

Schools: Again, schools are locally run, and should already be fixed by local governments. Knox county just built a brand new one, and has a plan to upgrade others. Many already have tons of computers that aren't fully utilized. Maybe in jolly ol Chicago they aren't used to doing anything without being forced, but most school districts should know well enough what their schools need.

Broadband: This seems like something best left to the private sector. If broadband access can make money, I promise companies will run a line. We are 15th in broadband adoption probably because we're a huge country. It just doesn't make as much sense to run broadband out for 2 rural customers in the middle of Wyoming. They can use dialup. Spending 10 grand for something that will net you 1000 a year (if they decide to pay for it) isn't smart business. I imagine Obama seeks to give out some more 'tax cuts' to allow families the 'right' to broadband access.

Electronic medical records: Ok. This makes sense, but I'm not sure where it fits in with the economic recovery plan. To get this to work, you have to hire computer-literate typists that give a damn about their work. I doubt you'll be able to hire very many impoverished people. We all saw how the voting drives for Obama turned out...whatever it takes to meet your quota and get your money. It does raise the question of security, both from unwanted viewing of records and of the records staying safe. What happens if the hard drive crashes? And the backup? Will our records be going to a central government bank? I'm not sure many people want that. Who has access? It's a lot easier when you know where your folder is located. No prying eyes. I imagine we will still have paper records, and computer records, and backups of the computer records, and the government has to buy offices computers and backups so that everything works together and they have to be hooked to broadband.

I feel like he's creating dependency. "Look at what I, and the Democratic party, gave you! The Republicans will take all these jobs away! Keep us in power!"

If he were this concerned about the economy, he would have proposed these items while in the Senate, or had the Congress vote on them right away. But no, can't let Bush have any semblance of helping, just like FDR sat around in waiting while Hoover took the blame.

You could make similar arguments about the examples I showed you above. While I agree with most of your post the Broad band one is way off. This country would explode into the next revolution with the proper backbone in place. And private industry (telecom) is not going to touch it after the dot.com fiasco.

As it should be done the government should get the ball rolling and then sell it off to the industry or we are going to be waiting a long time and watching countries overtake us into the next generation.

 

[allvol123]

The president-elect also said for the first time that he will “launch the most sweeping effort to modernize and upgrade school buildings that this country has ever seen.”

“We will repair broken schools, make them energy-efficient, and put new computers in our classrooms,” he said in the address.

Just fantastic stuff in the above quote. I am so excited about the potential for more energy efficient schools!

We need to change that. We need to upgrade our federal buildings by replacing old heating systems and installing efficient light bulbs. That won’t just save you, the American taxpayer, billions of dollars each year. It will put people back to work.”

Oh my this guy is such a joke. Are we saying that federal buildings do not currently emply enough light bulb installers?

 

[emainvol]

Just fantastic stuff in the above quote. I am so excited about the potential for more energy efficient schools!




Oh my this guy is such a joke. Are we saying that federal buildings do not currently emply enough light bulb installers?

I believe he was referring to installing heating systems. Obviously, the whole of the plan would require workers.

 

[allvol123]

I believe he was referring to installing heating systems. Obviously, the whole of the plan would require workers.

He referred to replacing light bulbs. Yes, I guess that could put someone to work. Masterful plan so far.

 

[emainvol]

He referred to replacing light bulbs. Yes, I guess that could put someone to work. Masterful plan so far.

My post was missing the words "as well"

 

[allvol123]

My post was missing the words "as well"

Either way, it is a stupid idea especially considering the seriousness of the issue. It sounds stupid and looks stupider in print. It is the type of comment Bush would have gotten roasted for in the press, Obama just continues his free ride.

 

[orangeblooded2]

OB2, why did you even introduce Einstein into a discussion on the economy???

"Einstein is a scientific genius. He must know how to correctly govern..."

It was introduced not because of his scientific genius or his ability to govern.It was posted to prove my point.
Which is, the ability to step out side of one's economic
situation and to see other points of view are difficult,and that views fall to their emotional needs based on the stress of their particular situation.Regardless on which side of the isle one falls.That ability which is implied by the quote
is almost impossible for people to do.

 

[therealUT]

It was introduced not because of his scientific genius or his ability to govern.It was posted to prove my point.
Which is, the ability to step out side of one's economic
situation and to see other points of view are difficult,and that views fall to their emotional needs based on the stress of their particular situation.Regardless on which side of the isle one falls.That ability which is implied by the quote
is almost impossible for people to do.

Unless you are quoting Einstein as it concerns some spatial relations theory, then it in no way will prove said point. I might as well quote any old Joe off the street who shares my views...:good!:

 

[orangeblooded2]

How did I prove it? In that I argued that lower expenses lead to greater profits, greater profits lead to more spending, and more spending leads to a better economy, a better economy creates more jobs, and more jobs bring everyone up?

You can't just "make" jobs. The money has to come from somewhere. I'm not sure how old you are, or how much experience you have with the real-world, but you can't promise cupcakes and cotton candy, sprinkled with fairy dust. The economy is not built on sound-bytes. More, the New Deal did little, if anything, to help our economy. The New Deal part 2 won't, either. Unless Obama cooks up World War III to bail us out, I don't see how it'll work.

Different does not equal correct. Change for the sake of change is not good. Empty words and generalizations will do nothing to help our economy.

The quote is proven by your response because you
continue to voice an opinion based on your own
political,social and economical situation as well as your point of view that you continue to repeat without the wisdom knowledge or the ability to see any point of view other that what you personally are experiencing or living.


I REPEAT.

8 years swings in ideology are nonproductive to the national interest.The quest for power and control at any cost are at the best inefficient and at the worst criminal.

National policy needs to be managed from the CENTER.
With long term agreements in place for a national long term energy policy that includes new technologies,insurance for everyone,a tax policy that is fair and never changing, locked in by law.

Now you also want me to have the answers and debate how to do this or that,Well i don't have the answers.But I can tell you this repeating your position based on your own social environment and the prejudices contained there in are no longer feasible or prudent to the national interest!

That all being said i do see your point of view and i do comprehend what you are saying but the need for change is so tantamount that the current philosophy form either side of the isle is so far behind what the American people are demanding that a new beginning or restructuring of political pholiphy is the only way to accomplish the desires of the American people!

 

[kptvol]

That all being said i do see your point of view and i do comprehend what you are saying but the need for change is so tantamount that the current philosophy form either side of the isle is so far behind what the American people are demanding that a new beginning or restructuring of political pholiphy is the only way to accomplish the desires of the American people!

what

 

[orangeblooded2]

Unless you are quoting Einstein as it concerns some spatial relations theory, then it in no way will prove said point. I might as well quote any old Joe off the street who shares my views...:good!:

It was not a quote on anything based on scientific theory. Einstein lived In an environment that uniquely qualified him to make a social commentary based on peoples experiences in a social enviroment.

I would recommend Einstein by Walter Isaacson.
Your first slip up theralut.But nice try!

 

[orangeblooded2]

what

I can not say it any planner.Don't they make paragraph
dictionaries.

 

[MG1968]

what

he meant to say that he believes that government is the solution to all of life's problems. Personal responsibility is overrated and dangerous because at some level, assuming responsibility for your own actions means that you will not accept responsibility for the actions of the collective.

 

[therealUT]

It was not a quote on anything based on scientific theory.

Your first slip up theralut.But nice try!

I was fully aware that it was not a quote based on science. Maybe I was not clear, so let me clarify:

Outside of the realm of science, Einstein has no purpose or use.

 

[dan4vols]

I was fully aware that it was not a quote based on science. Maybe I was not clear, so let me clarify:

Outside of the realm of science, Einstein has no purpose or use.

Really? He doesn't remind us not to take ourselves too seriously? Look at his past...he was an underacheiver, he daudled....he looked at the existense of man and did'nt smile? I think Einstien was far more human that you'd have him pose....I think he was a man who saw beyond his economic boundries, and saw a people who were thinkers, who saw existance as it should be...I am therefore I progress. In my opinion he bridged the world of science and the world of the average joe.

 

[jwells]

The quote is proven by your response because you
continue to voice an opinion based on your own
political,social and economical situation as well as your point of view that you continue to repeat without the wisdom knowledge or the ability to see any point of view other that what you personally are experiencing or living.


I REPEAT.

8 years swings in ideology are nonproductive to the national interest.The quest for power and control at any cost are at the best inefficient and at the worst criminal.

National policy needs to be managed from the CENTER.
With long term agreements in place for a national long term energy policy that includes new technologies,insurance for everyone,a tax policy that is fair and never changing, locked in by law.

My response is based not on my own social/economic situation, but on what is best for the country. Raising taxes on business and people is a deathblow to building the economy. Higher taxes = less personal spending and fewer jobs.

Where we really disagree, is on who should have rights to their hard-earned money: The people who earn it (my choice) and the government (your choice).

Bigger government leads to further bloated spending, and is exactly why you've got deadbeat Congressmen wasting our tax dollars to hop in the cash machine and grab at as much money as they can to go back and waste in their constituencies. More government jobs leads to greater dependency on the government.

Do you ever wonder why impoverished peoples vote democratic (liberal) time and time again? Because that party by any name world-wide, promises handouts. Doesn't matter if the handouts help, or even ever get there. It's the promise of free stuff. How many interviews did you hear about 'not having to worry about money for gas in my car or paying my mortgage' once Obama was elected? These programs create one big government sponsored political machine that the Democrats hope they can ride into 2010, 2012 and beyond.

Once you start this huge government works project it's going to be damn near impossible to stop it. We don't have a World War that we can send all our men to, and then not worry about the programs once they get home. Once this administration makes this machine, any undoing will be political suicide because of 'cutting jobs, and hurting the economy.'

The reason we go in cycles is because Democrats raise taxes, people suffer through it for 4 or 8 years until they've had enough, then they vote in Republican leadership to lower them back down. That's why you see Congress flip sides so much, in my opinion. In the meantime, we get all these new awesome treaties for free trade (NAFTA, China) that end up costing us money, jobs, and corporations. I can promise that 100 factories at 5% is going to make more than 50 at 9%. You can't just tax tax tax to make up the difference, though that's the Democratic platform. Tax the rich, give to the poor, stay in power, country be damned.

You'll never see your centered balance of power. It is to damaging to the big business that is politicking. Energy policy...maybe, but doubtful. Republicans are going to defer to business and the economy, whereas Democrats appeal only to environmental protection at all costs. They may fancy it up a little to look like they're for stuff like off-shore drilling, but in practice there are so many roadblocks in place it isn't profitable.

 

[joevol320]

Good solid read.Even better than he promised.

HIT THE GROUND RUNNING......Seems to be the moniker
for the new year.

GO Obama...

are you serious. you really have no clue do you.

 

[KB5252]

The only way to end this recession is for the U.S. to
build (produce).That means jobs.I don't really care where the money comes from,other to say from those making over 200,000 a year and corporations who have have dropped the ball in this area big time.

Regardless of our views Obama was voted in for change.
I probably want like every thing he does,But the last eight years was a total bust,a users guide on how not
to govern.

So whether we agree or disagree,like it or not,OBAMA's the poo,take a good whiff!

Exactly right! It was a perfect example of why not to spend like a drunken sailor. And here we go again about to spend money like drunken sailors on shore leave!

 

[joevol320]

Exactly right! It was a perfect example of why not to spend like a drunken sailor. And here we go again about to spend money like drunken sailors on shore leave!

the problem with his plan is that these projects are going to cost 3-5 times more than projected. imagine having multiple states like knoxville's 85, we'll be working on roads for years with no end in sight. wait until we start paying for this, it's going to be very expensive.

 

[KB5252]

It was introduced not because of his scientific genius or his ability to govern.It was posted to prove my point.
Which is, the ability to step out side of one's economic
situation and to see other points of view are difficult,and that views fall to their emotional needs based on the stress of their particular situation.Regardless on which side of the isle one falls.That ability which is implied by the quote
is almost impossible for people to do.

Look My family is by no means wealthy. I do not have a college degree, don't make a lot of money. I still see that taxing the rich more, presumably just because they have it, does nothing but stifle growth in the economy.

I think you give conservatives across the board too little credit thinking outside their "economic situation". In fact I propose that you have it exactly backwards. Those on the left that have little don't care about the men that risk large amounts of their own capital for the chance at a good return, while providing jobs to the very people that despise them.

 

[volinbham]

Harrumph!

 

[joevol320]

Look My family is by no means wealthy. I do not have a college degree, don't make a lot of money. I still see that taxing the rich more, presumably just because they have it, does nothing but stifle growth in the economy.

I think you give conservatives across the board too little credit thinking outside their "economic situation". In fact I propose that you have it exactly backwards. Those on the left that have little don't care about the men that risk large amounts of their own capital for the chance at a good return, while providing jobs to the very people that despise them.

libs like orangeblooded don't care about the sacrifices people make concerning the economy, they've been taught to hate success, he's drunk the class warfare flavor-aid for so long.

 

[truefan]

government providing the jobs doesn't grow the economy. If you want to see the economy grow, cut taxes on corporations, cut capital gains taxes and estate taxes. You might not like the "rich", but one rich guy providing 20 jobs is better for the economy than 100 people drawing welfare checks funded by a windfall profits tax on the oil companies.

It most certainly does if you're improving/building infrastructure...which BTW is long overdue

 

[joevol320]

It most certainly does if you're improving/building infrastructure...which BTW is long overdue

yes, our bridges are falling daily, even hourly. our schools need ultrafast internet to download sex ed material. yes, repaving roads will be much better than cutting taxes to allow private companies hire people. it will be good to read how a road project that was to cost 10 million to complete will actually cost 200 million. i know that's never happened with the government.