How long does C. Martin have to show improvement?

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Stoked4Zo said:
Coach K should have had a better gameplan, or is that different circumstances?
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Not surei follow the comparison.....coach K lost on a 14-2 opponents home court who is as talented as any team in the county. They had a very good chance to lose that game no matter who was playing. Tennessee will more than likely be 8-7 after Tuesday and struggling to stay alive for the nit.
 
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He'll get at least one more year.. We keep seeing this awesome display of offense every year, next year will likely be his last..
 
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508mikey said:
possible replacements for Zo - Pastnor or Mike Brey
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Neither Pastner (Pastnor) nor Brey is gonna come to UT.

Pastner's coaching is dependent on great recruiting. He is one of the hottest recruiting grounds in the country. UT doesn't have the reputation (yet) to pull in a lot of of the top recruits. If Pastner leaves (or gets ran out of) Memphis, he will either go back to AZ, or rejoin Cal in Kentucky.

Brey's team is going to the ACC next year. So he will be joining the strongest BBall conf out there. So he will not leave Notre Dame. If he were to leave, in my opinion it would be for only two jobs Duke (never gonna happen) or Maryland.

If Zo gets fired after next year, I think the person that UT goes after is Gregg Marshall out of Wichita State. He is the third best mid major coach out there. And before anyone brings up Smart or Stevens, there are only a few jobs either one of them would leave for. Smart - Florida or Wisconsin, Stevens - Duke or Indiana.

I think all of this is a moot point anyway. Zo will have a decent to great season next year. I am predicting sweet 16 loss. This year.....no comment. :ermm:
 
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How come when a team hits a rough patch all everyone wants to talk about is firing a coach? UT overachieved last year and had some very good wins (UConn, Florida-2, Vanderbilt) and has two good wins this year (Wichita State and Xavier). Good grief people at least wait until after the season to talk about it. He's not even half way through his 2nd Season!!!
 
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n2motorsports said:
How come when a team hits a rough patch all everyone wants to talk about is firing a coach? UT overachieved last year and had some very good wins (UConn, Florida-2, Vanderbilt) and has two good wins this year (Wichita State and Xavier). Good grief people at least wait until after the season to talk about it. He's not even half way through his 2nd Season!!!
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My 1000th post goes out to your bro. Well said!
 
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volbeast33 said:
Not surei follow the comparison.....coach K lost on a 14-2 opponents home court who is as talented as any team in the county. They had a very good chance to lose that game no matter who was playing. Tennessee will more than likely be 8-7 after Tuesday and struggling to stay alive for the nit.
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You said once before that any good coach should be about to win even with an injured player. And coach K is the best coach and I just wanted to point that out. Because with Kelly Duke would have won. With Maymon we would have won at least half of the games we lost. Just keep an eye on Duke while Kelly is out and see if they struggle a little.
 
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Grude_Dude said:
How about improvement from the players he does have instead of regression...Stokes is playing like Steven Pearl, Mcbee still sucks out loud, Golden aka Issac Hayes plays like a scrub most of the time and is a turnover machine...does that answer your question?
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Yeh I don't think he's playing S. Pearl bad. No reason to act like that.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
You said once before that any good coach should be about to win even with an injured player. And coach K is the best coach and I just wanted to point that out. Because with Kelly Duke would have won. With Maymon we would have won at least half of the games we lost. Just keep an eye on Duke while Kelly is out and see if they struggle a little.
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We will see but I think duke would have lost to NC State with Kelly playing.....I didn't say it had no effect but it is not the cause of us looking as bad as we do and the fact that probably after Tuesday we will be a 8-7 ball club.
 
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volbeast33 said:
We will see but I think duke would have lost to NC State with Kelly playing.....I didn't say it had no effect but it is not the cause of us looking as bad as we do and the fact that probably after Tuesday we will be a 8-7 ball club.
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Anytime you lose a preseason all conference player, you should expect to struggle. Losing a player tht average d 12 pts and 8 rebounds a game is huge. I don't see how you have not acknowledge that yet?? What happens if Creighton loses McDermott, Mizzou loses Pressey, IU Zeller, Mich Burke, Ohio St Thomas,, etc...
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
Anytime you lose a preseason all conference player, you should expect to struggle. Losing a player tht average d 12 pts and 8 rebounds a game is huge. I don't see how you have not acknowledge that yet?? What happens if Creighton loses McDermott, Mizzou loses Pressey, IU Zeller, Mich Burke, Ohio St Thomas,, etc...
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I don't think u can compare those players to Maymon, Maymon is a good player but he is not a star like those other players. This yr we are avg 3 less pts per game and more reb/gm than last yr. we do miss his leadership though, but our main issue is the fact that only two of martins nine recruits are so far giving us any kind of real production.
 
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n2motorsports said:
How come when a team hits a rough patch all everyone wants to talk about is firing a coach? UT overachieved last year and had some very good wins (UConn, Florida-2, Vanderbilt) and has two good wins this year (Wichita State and Xavier). Good grief people at least wait until after the season to talk about it. He's not even half way through his 2nd Season!!!
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Because people are not very smart around here.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
Did anyone else see where Duke lost their first game, playing without injured Ryan Kelly? He's not even their best player but kind of sounds familiar.
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Here's the difference.

When did Kelly get injured and how long was it before the loss?

When did Maymon get injured and when was the last time he practiced?

The Maymon excuse should have been gone a month ago at minimum.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Here's the difference.

When did Kelly get injured and how long was it before the loss?

When did Maymon get injured and when was the last time he practiced?

The Maymon excuse should have been gone a month ago at minimum.
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It makes no sense. Losing a player at the start of the season or in the middle. You are still losing their production that can't be replaced. I can't think of any other college teams that lost their best player and team leader off the top of my head from the start of the season... But let's use the Bulls as an example. They have been without Rose for the entire season. Last year had the best record in the league, this year they are 20-15. The only difference they have the FA to help out a little. Losing the leader to your team does a lot to a team. Ask the Colts when Peyton went down. (Different sport, I know.)
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Says who? Hubbs and Stokes may very well return. Add in Richardson and Yemi being seniors and i'd say that's a decent core group.

Landry
Hubbs
Richardson/Reese
Stokes/Davis
Yemi

Add in a couple good freshman and I'd have to think that's a NCAA team. The key is a PG, we add one of the PG CCM is targeting in 14 and we'll be in good hands.

But like I've said, looking THAT far ahead and trying to project the roster is impossible.
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Bleed as we both have said CCM has to get a point guard in here. Unfortunately most Freshman points unless they are a 4 or 5 star may take a year or two on the learning curve (look at Joe Jackson at Memphis). A Juco may be able to contribute right away.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
It makes no sense. Losing a player at the start of the season or in the middle. You are still losing their production that can't be replaced. I can't think of any other college teams that lost their best player and team leader off the top of my head from the start of the season... But let's use the Bulls as an example. They have been without Rose for the entire season. Last year had the best record in the league, this year they are 20-15. The only difference they have the FA to help out a little. Losing the leader to your team does a lot to a team. Ask the Colts when Peyton went down. (Different sport, I know.)
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Why dont you try using examples that make sense...I love maymon but comparing him to manning or rose......you are comparing him to the best of the best.....now if you compared him to Jeff Saturday I could get the comparison
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
It makes no sense. Losing a player at the start of the season or in the middle. You are still losing their production that can't be replaced. I can't think of any other college teams that lost their best player and team leader off the top of my head from the start of the season... But let's use the Bulls as an example. They have been without Rose for the entire season. Last year had the best record in the league, this year they are 20-15. The only difference they have the FA to help out a little. Losing the leader to your team does a lot to a team. Ask the Colts when Peyton went down. (Different sport, I know.)
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You do realize that recruiting is like free agency without the salary cap.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Why dont you try using examples that make sense...I love maymon but comparing him to manning or rose......you are comparing him to the best of the best.....now if you compared him to Jeff Saturday I could get the comparison
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Wow hahaha...you crack me up. Manning was the colts leader, Rose is the Bulls, and Maymon is our leader. What don't you get about that?
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
It makes no sense. Losing a player at the start of the season or in the middle. You are still losing their production that can't be replaced. I can't think of any other college teams that lost their best player and team leader off the top of my head from the start of the season... But let's use the Bulls as an example. They have been without Rose for the entire season. Last year had the best record in the league, this year they are 20-15. The only difference they have the FA to help out a little. Losing the leader to your team does a lot to a team. Ask the Colts when Peyton went down. (Different sport, I know.)
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If you think preparing for a game losing a starter 3 days ago is the same as losing a starter 4 months ago then we'll never find a common ground on the topic.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
If you think preparing for a game losing a starter 3 days ago is the same as losing a starter 4 months ago then we'll never find a common ground on the topic.
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It's not the same. But in essences it is, because you are losing the player and their production both ways.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
Wow hahaha...you crack me up. Manning was the colts leader, Rose is the Bulls, and Maymon is our leader. What don't you get about that?
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They didn't take a step back bc they lost rose and mannings leadership.....they took a huge step back bc they lost two players putting up hall of fame type of numbers.....when the colts added a good qb they are back in the playoffs.......maymon is a 12 and 8 kind of player and shouldn't be impossible to replace.
 
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volbeast33 said:
They didn't take a step back bc they lost rose and mannings leadership.....they took a huge step back bc they lost two players putting up hall of fame type of numbers.....when the colts added a good qb they are back in the playoffs.......maymon is a 12 and 8 kind of player and shouldn't be impossible to replace.
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How do you replace him without being able to add a player in the fall, when we knew we weren't going to have him all season?
 
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