How Many UT Signees On All-Midstate Baseball team?

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vol66 said:
They offer every student, not just athletes the same opportunities based on need.
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Not to ignore the rest of your post but I am nearly completely certain that your stamement here is wrong.

If all students got the same aid it would be legal as you say but I don't believe that is happening. I believe a middle income regular student is getting much less aid than a baseball middle income recruit. That would be illegal and is reason for my passion against vandy.
 
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BruinVol said:
Not to ignore the rest of your post but I am nearly completely certain that your stamement here is wrong.

If all students got the same aid it would be legal as you say but I don't believe that is happening. I believe a middle income regular student is getting much less aid than a baseball middle income recruit. That would be illegal and is reason for my passion against vandy.
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Based on what I read, and the wording here is "opportunity". You may be right in terms of what ACTUALLY occurs, but the loop hole is created because the need based money is there for everyone. They use an algorithm, supposedly, based on income and all the other stuff.

The funny thing, or the difference that I found was that the lottery kids have to maintain a 3.0 in order to keep receiving the aid, athletes at Vandy do not.

Anyway, I'm not saying you're wrong, clearly many folks have an issue with it, like the guy currently coaching Team USA.
 
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vol66 said:
Based on what I read, and the wording here is "opportunity". You may be right in terms of what ACTUALLY occurs, but the loop hole is created because the need based money is there for everyone. They use an algorithm, supposedly, based on income and all the other stuff.

The funny thing, or the difference that I found was that the lottery kids have to maintain a 3.0 in order to keep receiving the aid, athletes at Vandy do not.

Anyway, I'm not saying you're wrong, clearly many folks have an issue with it, like the guy currently coaching Team USA.
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I am not disputing that all student are able to get aid at vandy. That is where I believe the NCAA has stopped their look into this. I want them to look deeper and see if the amount of the awards are consistent and within the rules
 
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BruinVol said:
I am not disputing that all student are able to get aid at vandy. That is where I believe the NCAA has stopped their look into this. I want them to look deeper and see if the amount of the awards are consistent and within the rules
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I get where you're coming from. I'm a lot more interested in this news you have...:)....tell me it's an ARM!
 
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Tux said:
We are still missing out on some damn good players, who end up attending Middle Tennessee, Georgia, and other schools.
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But then you would be on here moaning that Serrano is taking MTSU level players. And deep down you know I'm right.
 
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MTSU has been beating UT in case you have not been paying attention. They have sent some good players to the major leagues.
 
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Tux said:
MTSU has been beating UT in case you have not been paying attention. They have sent some good players to the major leagues.
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I'm aware of this. I guess I'm just confused. Are you pissed because we're not out recruiting Vandy, or MTSU? Or are you out to bash the coach regardless? I'm thinking choice 2. But that's just my opinion.
 
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Remember what opinions are like. Everyone has one.

We are missing out on too many recruits with whom we should be in on. Middle Tennessee and even west Tennessee are hot beds for baseball talent. What is Coach S doing to recruit those areas harder?
 
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If their are all these great recruits in Middle Tennessee then how come there are so few of them on SEC rosters? I mean Vanderbilt has 5 spread over the course of 5 years (freshman to red shirt senior) averaging one player per year on their roster. Then after that there is Kendall Keeton that went to Columbia after spending some time at Walter State, Mississippi State had a few (of which Ross Mitchell had a good year, Derrick Armstrong was mainly a midweek player, and the same can be said about Tyler Fullerton). Yes, Middle Tennessee has one to two very good prospects every year but after that there is a dropoff. I don't see it being any different this year either, as their are a few prospects on that list you posted that I like and the rest I'll be surprised if they make it a full four years. We do not have unlimited resources, so I don't see how it is best to spend limited resources on an area that has a few sec caliber prospects in the backyard of a school that has been at the top of the SEC, has a coach that has been there for 9 years that can sell success of former middle Tennessee players having success there, and has scholarship advantages. There are plenty of prospects in East Tennessee, Georgia, California, and other areas to focus our time on with greater success. I'm extremely happy with the starts to our 2014 and 2015 classes and if we continue to build on those I don't have many complaints about our recruiting.
 
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A few prospects? :rolleyes:

Vandy goes to the NCAA Tourney every year because they recruit the area hard. MTSU recruits the area hard and goes to the NCAA Tirney often. Western KY often goes to the NCAA Turney and recruits the area hard, and Austin peay recruits the are a hard and this year knocked off Florida in the NCAA Turney. Too boot, the are has produced several championships over the years (Lipscomb, Cumberland) at the NAIA and lower division levels. Many of those teams took players from that area- many of them were capable of playing SEC baseball.

We recruit the area hard in football now, so why do we not in baseball? Afterall, the area does produce arguably the best talent in the southeastern US.
 
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Tux said:
A few prospects? :rolleyes:

Vandy goes to the NCAA Tourney every year because they recruit the area hard. MTSU recruits the area hard and goes to the NCAA Tirney often. Western KY often goes to the NCAA Turney and recruits the area hard, and Austin peay recruits the are a hard and this year knocked off Florida in the NCAA Turney. Too boot, the are has produced several championships over the years (Lipscomb, Cumberland) at the NAIA and lower division levels. Many of those teams took players from that area- many of them were capable of playing SEC baseball.

We recruit the area hard in football now, so why do we not in baseball? Afterall, the area does produce arguably the best talent in the southeastern US.
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Lol, so they went to the NCAA tournament this year because 5 players on a 35 man roster are from middle Tennessee and only 2 of those actually really contributed? Don't get me wrong, Kemp had a very good season for them and Brian Miller was a good closer but that lends more to my argument that there are only a few prospects at most each year that are truly SEC caliber. You could really make the argument Vandy to the NCAA tournament has more to do with the northeast than any other regions.

Neither MTSU or Western Kentucky play in the SEC and neither would in the NCAA tournament if they were. It is also laughable to use Western Kentucky beating Florida in a single game as an example. You can say that some of the players at these lower schools are SEC caliber all you want, but there is nothing to back that up. There is a reason that all these schools are passing them over, and other schools would definitely notice if middle Tennessee "produced the best talent in the southeast."
 
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We sure were not even in the SEc Tournament. Laugh all you want, but we are not recruiting areas that are chock full of talent. How are we going to improve our program by limiting ourselves?

This has been something that UT baseball coaches have done since I was kid-ignoring other parts of the state that produce top talent.

Just from my Shoetiques team only one player was recruited and played for UT. We had several players from that team that went on to play professional baseball and they were ignored by UT. Is the same happening today?

Until we see vast improvement quickly, I have to say that there is a disconnect in recruiting...and FYI, I have been very supportive of Serrano. I hope that he starts recruiting some areas that are full of talent and full of kids who grow up being UT fans.
 
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To be fair, most of the top recruits have either made a committment or at least heavily leaning towards a college program by the end of their JR year. This is the end of Serrano's 2nd year at UT.

The former coach had alienated many of the HS coaches in the state and Serrano is working to get this re established. He has been successful at two other stops and there is no reason to start dumping on him now. The program had been destroyed prior to his arrival and SEC baseball is every bit as tough as SEC football. It takes time to build it from ground up.

Most intelligent baseball fans are willing to give a nationally respected coach a fair chance to succeed.
 
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The timing of Serrano's hire and the state of the roster he inherited forced certain short-term choices (late signs and JUCO transfers, especially).

It's way too early to draw conclusions about his long-term recruiting practices or success.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
The timing of Serrano's hire and the state of the roster he inherited forced certain short-term choices (late signs and JUCO transfers, especially).

It's way too early to draw conclusions about his long-term recruiting practices or success.
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I agree with this and I also think that DS will not rebuild this program because he somehow won the state in recruiting. IMO he has long since realized that vandy gets their pick outside of Knoxville and the rest aren't good enough to win with in the SEC. Ask any HS coach and they will tell you tenn is far from visible in this state and IMO that is by plan.
 
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Backwards K said:
To be fair, most of the top recruits have either made a committment or at least heavily leaning towards a college program by the end of their JR year. This is the end of Serrano's 2nd year at UT.

The former coach had alienated many of the HS coaches in the state and Serrano is working to get this re established. He has been successful at two other stops and there is no reason to start dumping on him now. The program had been destroyed prior to his arrival and SEC baseball is every bit as tough as SEC football. It takes time to build it from ground up.

Most intelligent baseball fans are willing to give a nationally respected coach a fair chance to succeed.
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This is spot on. The situations with the football and baseball programs are eerily similar. Both coaches have relationships to repair in state. Both are trying to rebuild in America's toughest conference. Both programs were completely destroyed. It's gonna be an up hill battle regardless who our coaches are.

Had we hired Serrano when Delmonico was fired we would be really good right now. I have no earthly idea what Hamilton was thinking.

We might not see the results yet, but the seeds are being planted. Tennessee is on the upswing. Just think, three years ago we had Derrick Dooley, Todd Raleigh, and Mike Hamilton. Compare that to what we have now...I feel pretty darn good about the direction my two favorite sports are going.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
The timing of Serrano's hire and the state of the roster he inherited forced certain short-term choices (late signs and JUCO transfers, especially).

It's way too early to draw conclusions about his long-term recruiting practices or success.
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Good post.
 
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