How Stupid Is Governor Ron Desantis?

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n_huffhines said:
Nah. You can search the many posts I've made about it or read anybody else who has issued a critique.
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When someone says that people can just read what they've said before or someone else has said before, what you're really saying is you're too lazy to support your argument and people should just take your point of view as fact.
 
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utvolpj said:
So which side is actively addressing immigration?
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Trump issued the remain in Mexico policy. He also threatened Mexico with Tariffs, which caused Mexico to curb the caravans. Also started the wall, which is a better than nothing physical barrier. Biden administration either has, or attempted to roll back all of this. Texas governor has tried some things like working with the Mexican governors to stop the caravans. He should have done more though and called up the national guard to turn back all crossers. Republicans are powerless in Washington right now. Hopefully the mid terms will change some of that, but with Biden still in office I am not sure how much will actually change. I they actually had some stones (they don't in general) they would deny budgets and money for everything until the border situation is solved.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Trump issued the remain in Mexico policy. He also threatened Mexico with Tariffs, which caused Mexico to curb the caravans. Also started the wall, which is a better than nothing physical barrier. Biden administration either has, or attempted to roll back all of this. Texas governor has tried some things like working with the Mexican governors to stop the caravans. He should have done more though and called up the national guard to turn back all crossers. Republicans are powerless in Washington right now. Hopefully the mid terms will change some of that, but with Biden still in office I am not sure how much will actually change. I they actually had some stones (they don't in general) they would deny budgets and money for everything until the border situation is solved.
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Expected to be 30M illegals in the nation soon. Unbelievable and frankly an invasion.
 
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VolStrom said:
I hope they can learn to code, otherwise we don't have any good paying jobs for them.
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I kid you not...Biden sees the polls and thinks he is not progressive enough as led by his puppet masters. They are going to triple down over next several months on progressivism.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Expected to be 30M illegals in the nation soon. Unbelievable and frankly an invasion.
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And they could be easily gotten rid of. Nobody on either side of the isle has the ba!!s to do it though. Go after the enablers like the the Democrats wanted to do 20 years ago and take it a step further to deny them any government assistance what so ever. No school for their kids, no food stamps, no housing, ect. Without the prospects for an easier, better life they will leave on their own.
 
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norrislakevol said:
And they could be easily gotten rid of. Nobody on either side of the isle has the ba!!s to do it though. Go after the enablers like the the Democrats wanted to do 20 years ago and take it a step further to deny them any government assistance what so ever. No school for their kids, no food stamps, no housing, ect. Without the prospects for an easier, better life they will leave on their own.
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What are you going to do when you need someone to pick your tomaters, pick them yourself?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
He is playing chess while you are judging him on checkers. He is trying to win the Republican nomination for President. As a result of why you apparently view as a tactical mistake, he is now the most talked about Republican in the country, his popularity with the base that will actually pick the nominee is through the roof, and his fundraising totals are skyrocketing. What exactly is the downside? Even if he loses to Disney in court, things just go back to exactly the way they were pre groomer gate. He is playing the big game, not just Tallahassee scrimmage.
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Pandering for votes isn’t chess, pandering is actually pretty simple.
 
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Ashevolle said:
Passing laws is fine. Attempted coups (and the clearly coming second attempt) are not. I'm expecting the authoritarian rhetoric to grow fiercer and the further destruction of Democractic norms to accelerate when the GOP takes congress and the presidency. America clearly doesn't care anymore about its ideals and will willingly give it away to be on the winning team.
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I think this all started during the 2016 election after Trump won when the left started protesting the election in the streets. How quickly people forget.

BLM was trying to establish a name and Antifa started to make a name for themselves in Seattle. It was then it appeared leftist organizations started busing people across the country to create chaos. It should've been shutdown then by the Obama administration. Remember Hollywood protesting on inauguration day 2017 with speeches of violence? How soon do we forget.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Trump issued the remain in Mexico policy. He also threatened Mexico with Tariffs, which caused Mexico to curb the caravans. Also started the wall, which is a better than nothing physical barrier. Biden administration either has, or attempted to roll back all of this. Texas governor has tried some things like working with the Mexican governors to stop the caravans. He should have done more though and called up the national guard to turn back all crossers. Republicans are powerless in Washington right now. Hopefully the mid terms will change some of that, but with Biden still in office I am not sure how much will actually change. I they actually had some stones (they don't in general) they would deny budgets and money for everything until the border situation is solved.
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So basically he tried a bunch of stuff that makes it look like he's tough on immigration but didn't do anything that works in any lasting way and arguably didn't really work in the moment, either.

If he had just spent less and not propped up his fake economy, he probably would have been more successful combatting illegal immigration than anything else he did.
 
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VolStrom said:
When someone says that people can just read what they've said before or someone else has said before, what you're really saying is you're too lazy to support your argument and people should just take your point of view as fact.
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I've already supported it. I'm too lazy to rewrite everything just because Pickens wants to argue about self-evident things. If he really wants to talk about it, it's pretty easy to look up.

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n_huffhines said:
So basically he tried a bunch of stuff that makes it look like he's tough on immigration but didn't do anything that works in any lasting way and arguably didn't really work in the moment, either.

If he had just spent less and not propped up his fake economy, he probably would have been more successful combatting illegal immigration than anything else he did.
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Uhhhh......Illegal immigration was lower under Trump. Mexico shut down the caravans because they didn't want tariffs.

Regardless, much, much, more should be done, but no one has the stones to do what is needed to fix it once and for all. The last thing we need is millions of more poor people here.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Uhhhh......Illegal immigration was lower under Trump. Mexico shut down the caravans because they didn't want tariffs.

Regardless, much, much, more should be done, but no one has the stones to do what is needed to fix it once and for all. The last thing we need is millions of more poor people here.
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What are you basing this on? Typically, people cite border apprehensions as the measure of illegal immigration activity. It's completely flawed for a number of reasons, but it was barely down at all (and way up in '19). Is there really that much of a difference between the Obama years and the Trump years that you'd say, "Trump's policies worked." I mean, simply looking at this you'd feel more strongly saying Obama's policies worked vs. Bush II than Trump's policies worked vs. Obama.

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n_huffhines said:
What are you basing this on? Typically, people cite border apprehensions as the measure of illegal immigration activity. It's completely flawed for a number of reasons, but it was barely down at all (and way up in '19). Is there really that much of a difference between the Obama years and the Trump years that you'd say, "Trump's policies worked." I mean, simply looking at this you'd feel more strongly saying Obama's policies worked vs. Bush II than Trump's policies worked vs. Obama.

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You know the funny thing is that Obama did believe in a border. His administration deported a lot of people. Trump also believed in a border. This bunch in charge now? Not so much.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I've already supported it. I'm too lazy to rewrite everything just because Pickens wants to argue about self-evident things. If he really wants to talk about it, it's pretty easy to look up.

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Not really…. I haven’t been reading through threads much lately and just wanted to know specifically what you thought Desantis had done that was stupid.
 
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