How this season changed my mind on a 12 team playoff

#26
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I'm in the very reasonable 8 team camp. I've always said it should be 8. But, what's reasonable about college ball? Nothing. If we were reasonable, it would be 8 geographic conferences, with 8 conference champions. They killed that and buried it far in the woods already.
 
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I think 8 would be ok, I would like to see them expand it tho, some teams start slow then catch fire as the season goes on, if we had lost to Pitt and Florida then won every game afterwards and looked like the best team in the nation we'd still get left out like it is now.
 
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rusty11 said:
Only if there are no conference championship games. Otherwise it is like the basketball conference tourneys where the mid-majors get upset in their tourney and don't get it. Only this would be the big boys getting upset and left out. Imagine if LSU wins on Saturday. That would be ridiculous.
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So if they win iver UGA they shouldnt be crowned SEC champs?

They followed the rules in place, survived enough of the hurdles in front of them to be names conference champion.

It would be ridiculous to not bame the SEC champs..
They did it on the field of play.

Now if the conferences did away with Divisions and simply played a round robin every season..that would be truly settling it in the field. But that isnt where the money is. The money is in letting nerds use arbitrary means to decide the worthy ones.

And the money is there because fans eat it up.
 
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If there were a 16 team playoff right now, here's what the matchups would be this weekend based on ranking...

#16 Oregon State vs #1 Georgia

#15 Oregon vs #2 Michigan

#14 Florida State vs #3 TCU

#13 Kansas State vs #4 USC

#12 Utah vs #5 Ohio State

#11 LSU vs #6 Alabama

#10 Clemson vs #7 Tennessee

#9 Washington vs #8 Penn State

Now, I don't know about you guys but those are some pretty damn good matchups. Yes, there would possibly be some blowouts but there would also be some great games too.
 
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8 makes sense to me. This year is a great example - there’s some good teams, like us, that’s sitting just outside the top 4. VERY hard to go unbeaten against perennial top teams like Bama, UGA, Florida, LSU on any regular basis. The SC game was an anomaly but it happens to most teams every couple of years. The top 8 gives a little flex to the bad game and the close loss - and in most years, once you get to the #9-12 teams, several will have 3 losses.
 
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12 is just too damn many. 8 max but even then I think 6 is ideal. Top two get a bye.
 
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And Bama and UGA are gonna be in a 12 team playoff. They could lose 3 games and get it. It’s beyond stupid. A 2nd loss should pretty much always eliminate you.
 
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Split the NCAA into two tiers. The top tier is the best 64 teams in the nation. Bottom tier is everyone else. The top tier is comprised of four 16 team super conferences: SEC 16, ACC 16, Big 16, PAC 16. Each super conference sends their top 2 teams to the playoff for a 8 team playoff. The first round is the conference championships taking you to 4 teams as we already have it. Yes it would take a lot of realignment from the conferences but it's already happening. Who are the best 64? that would be done by consensus when the conferences invite members. Some weaker teams may find themselves booted from their conferences.....like Vandy, Illinois, Duke, etc.. New teams would step in to replace them.
The Tier 2 teams would have their own super conferences and their own tournament much like the NIT tourney in basketball.

Wouldn't this permanently exclude some teams? no. If a top tier team perennially stays below a set win margin, something like 30% win rate over 4 consecutive years, they would automatically get booted from their conference and get replaced by a team that has perennially dominated their tier 2 conference.
 
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JoAllan said:
This season…….just like basically every other season (once you get to the end) simply proves……you DONT need 12 teams.

4 is definitely enough.

Literally not ONE single team outside of the current top 4 has any real argument to be in the playoff. If USC were to lose someone who has NO business whatsoever in the playoff will be in the playoff.

There is absolutely NO need for the 12 team playoff it’s literally absurd.

OSU just got rolled at home……should they get rewarded with a playoff spot? And Michigan was without their best player.

Tennessee just got absolutely throttled by SC.

Bama has 2 losses, one to Tennessee (who doesn’t belong) another to LSU who just got beat again……and Bama didn’t really beat anyone.

P-ST played 2 good teams……and lost both times.

Washington got beat by a 3-9 team and have another loss.

Clemson has no good wins and lost twice to 8-4 teams

LSU has 3 losses and 1 was to a 5-7 team

Tulane lost to UCF and Southern Miss a 6-6 mid team.

Literally ONLY the current top 4 belong.

Playoffs and tournaments are amazing. However for college football…….I think it will become a 💩 show. Not to mention when terrible teams find one win in the season during their championship and beat a good team……..BAM their in.
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100% disagree.
How many Super Bowl champs were undefeated over their first 12 games? The best team often has one or two losses. Without a 12 team playoff, there is little incentive to play tough opponents during the regular season because the team with the easiest schedule has the most advantage.....and nobody benefits from that. The SEC ends up being penalized for being a strong conference...the top four teams could easily be in the SEC and those four would never be the four selected in a four team playoff.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
If there were a 16 team playoff right now, here's what the matchups would be this weekend based on ranking...

#16 Oregon State vs #1 Georgia

#15 Oregon vs #2 Michigan

#14 Florida State vs #3 TCU

#13 Kansas State vs #4 USC

#12 Utah vs #5 Ohio State

#11 LSU vs #6 Alabama

#10 Clemson vs #7 Tennessee

#9 Washington vs #8 Clemson

Now, I don't know about you guys but those are some pretty damn good matchups. Yes, there would possibly be some blowouts but there would also be some great games too.
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Those would be awesome matchups:cool:
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
8 or 16 but not 12. NO reason for anybody to get a bye and a week to rest. Way too much potential for inequity in the 4 v 5 discussion for example. Everybody deserves the same opportunity to excel or even get injuries. If you do give them the week off they should not be allowed to practice till their fist game week, but even then a free week to heal is just not right. 1 v 16 and 2 v 15 is reward enough. 8 should cover the deal and save a week and a game for the field.
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So you'd say we should get rid of conference championships?
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
If there were a 16 team playoff right now, here's what the matchups would be this weekend based on ranking...

#16 Oregon State vs #1 Georgia

#15 Oregon vs #2 Michigan

#14 Florida State vs #3 TCU

#13 Kansas State vs #4 USC

#12 Utah vs #5 Ohio State

#11 LSU vs #6 Alabama

#10 Clemson vs #7 Tennessee

#9 Washington vs #8 Clemson

Now, I don't know about you guys but those are some pretty damn good matchups. Yes, there would possibly be some blowouts but there would also be some great games too.
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Yea, I was thinking 8 but I gotta say this would be awesome and it would truly be decided on the field.
 
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JoAllan said:
This season…….just like basically every other season (once you get to the end) simply proves……you DONT need 12 teams.

4 is definitely enough.

Literally not ONE single team outside of the current top 4 has any real argument to be in the playoff. If USC were to lose someone who has NO business whatsoever in the playoff will be in the playoff.

There is absolutely NO need for the 12 team playoff it’s literally absurd.

OSU just got rolled at home……should they get rewarded with a playoff spot? And Michigan was without their best player.

Tennessee just got absolutely throttled by SC.

Bama has 2 losses, one to Tennessee (who doesn’t belong) another to LSU who just got beat again……and Bama didn’t really beat anyone.

P-ST played 2 good teams……and lost both times.

Washington got beat by a 3-9 team and have another loss.

Clemson has no good wins and lost twice to 8-4 teams

LSU has 3 losses and 1 was to a 5-7 team

Tulane lost to UCF and Southern Miss a 6-6 mid team.

Literally ONLY the current top 4 belong.

Playoffs and tournaments are amazing. However for college football…….I think it will become a 💩 show. Not to mention when terrible teams find one win in the season during their championship and beat a good team……..BAM their in.
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I think that switching to a 12-team playoff will result in less disparity between the top 4 and everyone else. As it stands, top recruits know that there's only a few of schools they can go to for a reasonable chance of winning a championship, i.e., UGA, Bama, tOSU, in the past Clemson, maybe Michigan now or UT! When 12 teams get in, that should help break the grip of these schools on recruiting and even out the field at the top. Until then, top recruits who don't go to these schools are almost passing on a chance to play for a championship.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Not for the reason you may be thinking.

How some of these voters vote is pure insanity. I get that the CFP committee doesn’t have Lou Holtz and that Midwest troll that had us ranked behind LSU the day after we spanked them in Death Valley. But just watching this weekly, I don’t trust human beings to pick the 4 best teams to play for the title.

Yes. I know they are going to pick the 12 best teams in our next version of the playoffs. The difference is the teams that are left out of those playoffs most likely have 3 losses or more. That’s on them!

Point is, because our Vols have been so active in the polls this year, I’ve seen with fresh eyes just how ridiculous some of these voters and committee members can be. Let the kids decide it on the field. I’m all in for a 12 team playoff.
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Same. I've been against it because it de-values the regular season. But these voters and committee-members are already de-valuing the regular season. Putting Alabama and LSU ahead of Tennessee last week, in spite of identical records, meant those head to head games meant nothing. The system is corrupt. The people in charge can't be trusted. If Tennessee can be screwed, we will be.

And yes, no matter where you draw the line, folks will be upset about who didn't get in. But I'd rather be arguing over the 12-13 spot than the 4-5 spot.
 
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I have mixed feeling about it. The BCS would have gotten the same two teams that played for the NC during this playoff era 99% of the time. Even the couple of years when the 4 seed made it, it was really seeded that way for TV reasons and not really because they were the 4th best team. Throw the seeding out the window and look who was actually favored in most of those games.

But you could take rankings mostly out of the big decisions by just taking the Conference Champ of each P5 and the highest ranked Champ from the G5. That would be the top 6. Seed them first by W/L record, then any head to head if applies, then common opponents, maybe use some composite SoS models combine it with point difference, and finally as a last result, a human committee.

And yes that mean if 3 loss LSU were to upset UGA in the SECCG then LSU would get the higher seed. Thems the breaks and puts more emphasis on the CGs. However the SEC champ would then be toward the bottom of the top 6 due to W/L. But that is the reward for winning your conference, a higher seed.

Then take the 2nd place team from the P5 which may or may not be the CG loser (this year it would be TN if UGA won). Then the second highest ranked G5 championship or not. Seed them in the same way.

Finally 1-4 gets a bye. Match 5-12 up by highest seed vs lowest. The second round would again be remaining lowest vs highest (so if 12 upsets 5, they would go on to play 1. But if 5-8 all won then 8 would play 1). And so on into the 3 round.

That’s a little more NFL like. The regular season would almost be more important because you would be playing not just for a spot but for seeding. Winning the conference also becomes more important too. At the same time, losing two games doesn’t completely end your season so it keeps things interesting. Even if you were a team like LSU with 3 losses playing for the Conf Champ would be like a play in game for them.

Would some good teams get left out on occasion? Sure. Again, themes the breaks. I remember one year a 10-6 Patriots team missed the playoffs while 9-7 Chargers team got to host a 12-4 Colts team. Was it 100% fair? Maybe not but the structure was in place and didn’t rely on humans making controversial decisions based on biases and feelings.

Now, a lot of that hinges on the Big XII still existing in some fashion.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Not for the reason you may be thinking.

How some of these voters vote is pure insanity. I get that the CFP committee doesn’t have Lou Holtz and that Midwest troll that had us ranked behind LSU the day after we spanked them in Death Valley. But just watching this weekly, I don’t trust human beings to pick the 4 best teams to play for the title.

Yes. I know they are going to pick the 12 best teams in our next version of the playoffs. The difference is the teams that are left out of those playoffs most likely have 3 losses or more. That’s on them!

Point is, because our Vols have been so active in the polls this year, I’ve seen with fresh eyes just how ridiculous some of these voters and committee members can be. Let the kids decide it on the field. I’m all in for a 12 team playoff.
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I am for a 16 team playoff that begins with the top 8 D1 conferences division playoffs. Thats 16 playoff teams leading to 8 conference champions and only adds 1 more game to the series. You could seed them from that point same as basketball. I am against the beauty contest where someone picks the best teams which may not be division or conference champions because these other teams can't control their strength of schedule due to their conference. That system eliminates most of D1 football from participation. In this system you always get a division and conference champion as the national champion, although only 1 from each conference.
 
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I say go with 8. Nice and even with no bye weeks for anyone.The conferences need to do away with divisions and just let the 2 best teams play to be conference Champs. Then you can have the 5 conference champs and 3 at large. It would already be into 2 loss teams most years. No need to go more than that. The conference championships would be defacto playoff games without the division play stuff too, since they'd be the two best teams in the conference. It would leave room to elevate a 6th conference if one gets to where it's deserving. 12 and 16 seems unnecessary.
 
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volfan4evr said:
What are we gonna say when a 9 - 3 team wins the NC under this format?
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If they played through a 8-12 team playoff they would need to upset an a couple UGA/MICH/etc so good for them.

No one was was crying foul when 10-6 Wildcard Giants upset the 16-0 Patriots in the Super Bowl.

If you want to drawn a champion after the regular season then why have a playoff.
 
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