How this season changed my mind on a 12 team playoff

#51
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JoAllan said:
This season…….just like basically every other season (once you get to the end) simply proves……you DONT need 12 teams.

4 is definitely enough.

Literally not ONE single team outside of the current top 4 has any real argument to be in the playoff. If USC were to lose someone who has NO business whatsoever in the playoff will be in the playoff.

There is absolutely NO need for the 12 team playoff it’s literally absurd.

OSU just got rolled at home……should they get rewarded with a playoff spot? And Michigan was without their best player.

Tennessee just got absolutely throttled by SC.

Bama has 2 losses, one to Tennessee (who doesn’t belong) another to LSU who just got beat again……and Bama didn’t really beat anyone.

P-ST played 2 good teams……and lost both times.

Washington got beat by a 3-9 team and have another loss.

Clemson has no good wins and lost twice to 8-4 teams

LSU has 3 losses and 1 was to a 5-7 team

Tulane lost to UCF and Southern Miss a 6-6 mid team.

Literally ONLY the current top 4 belong.

Playoffs and tournaments are amazing. However for college football…….I think it will become a 💩 show. Not to mention when terrible teams find one win in the season during their championship and beat a good team……..BAM their in.
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Yeah...I actually agree with this. I was all in for a 12 - 16 team playoff....but after this year, I am not sure that it is needed. Agree with post above regarding the reasons.

However, if the committee is going to push for teams like OSU or Alabama to get in because of pedigree and not because of quality of wins, then it would be interesting to include teams with similar background but without the "Bama" or "Buckeye" name to see how those "pedigree" schools would fair against other teams with similar records.

Case in point--Alabama ranked higher than UT....yeah, we had a bad loss on the road to SCAR...who actually ended up beating Clemson on the road as well--so that loss is not as horrible as it turned out being...but, in every measurable for tiebreakers, we beat Alabama--head-to-head, common opponents, top 25 wins.....yet, watch--the Alabama Bias will have the selection committee put Alabama above UT simply on name alone...that kind of BS needs to be weeded out for a selection committee that is going to limit itself to 4 - 12 teams.

to me, if we are going to keep this as a human committee selection--then we should open it up to 12-16 schools because the human mind is going to convince itself pedigree schools deserve a spot. If we go to something less biased (like a blend of computer rankings), then I would likely want to see how that turns out for a couple years in selecting the top 4...
 
#52
#52
Vol8188 said:
Disagree. If we played 52 games a year, I doubt we’d pack 102k people in to watch. You dilute the product at a point
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Disagree. More games that had NC implications would draw more than just the casual fan.
 
#53
#53
Still 100% against it. I get placement is important, but honestly if that was this year, the USC loss doesn't matter. The Georgia game isn't huge and meaningful (outside of atlanta, which feels like conf champs significance will diminish too). The Bama game was a big hurdle but even then wouldn't be that big of a deal (we've likely kept Bama out of the playoffs).
Looking at the current AP poll, 9-3 LSU and 9-3 Utah would get it. What is the point of that? There's zero doubt they ARE NOT the best team so why give them a chance? Heck, even in a dang 8 team playoff Penn St gets in! Penn state lost to both OSU and Michigan and they would be in. Why?
Sorry, I'm a big hater of the 12 team playoff. Sure. I'll get a few more exciting games at the backend but the reg season just isn't going to have those big important games that I HAVE to see, you know?
 
#55
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Vol8188 said:
Right now every game has NC implications.
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Not at all. Vandy vs UT was meaningless under the 4 team playoff but would have had significant importance under a 12 team playoff. That's true of multiple games, especially at the end of the season.
 
#56
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Other_Guy said:
Still 100% against it. I get placement is important, but honestly if that was this year, the USC loss doesn't matter. The Georgia game isn't huge and meaningful (outside of atlanta, which feels like conf champs significance will diminish too). The Bama game was a big hurdle but even then wouldn't be that big of a deal (we've likely kept Bama out of the playoffs).
Looking at the current AP poll, 9-3 LSU and 9-3 Utah would get it. What is the point of that? There's zero doubt they ARE NOT the best team so why give them a chance? Heck, even in a dang 8 team playoff Penn St gets in! Penn state lost to both OSU and Michigan and they would be in. Why?
Sorry, I'm a big hater of the 12 team playoff. Sure. I'll get a few more exciting games at the backend but the reg season just isn't going to have those big important games that I HAVE to see, you know?
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That is why you have to take the ranking out of it. Of make it the last part of the equation.

A 9-3 team would be a lower seed and have to go through a gauntlet to win a NC. If they do it then good on them.
 
#58
#58
Behr said:
Dude. You lose this argument. Take a poll.

More football wins.
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I’d like to see an expanded playoff but more football only wins to a point. Adding games is brutal on the body. The 16 league games in the NFL are definitely more than you would want to have played by the majority of teams. But yeah, I’m cool with a 6 or 8 team playoff.
 
#59
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Stephen Gray said:
I’d like to see an expanded playoff but more football only wins to a point. Adding games is brutal on the body. The 16 league games in the NFL are definitely more than you would want to have played by the majority of teams. But yeah, I’m cool with a 6 or 8 team playoff.
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A 12 team playoff only adds 4 additional games.
 
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luthervol said:
Not at all. Vandy vs UT was meaningless under the 4 team playoff but would have had significant importance under a 12 team playoff. That's true of multiple games, especially at the end of the season.
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TCU's game this week would be worthless under a 12 team playoff. No reason to dilute the product.
 
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luthervol said:
A 12 team playoff only adds 4 additional games.
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Yeah, that would be fine too. What I’m saying is: we don’t want a bunch of teams playing a bunch more games. Not necessarily post season specific, just the idea that more football is good has limits. If we added a couple games to the regular season for every team for example it might be bad.
 
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#63
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Vol8188 said:
Polling doesn't determine the validity of an argument.
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It does in this one.

Most of us college football fans want more football. That's what my argument is. You're just being silly at this point.

You said there was zero reason for an expansion. That's your opinion and your welcome to it.

Mower football please.
 
#64
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Other_Guy said:
Still 100% against it. I get placement is important, but honestly if that was this year, the USC loss doesn't matter. The Georgia game isn't huge and meaningful (outside of atlanta, which feels like conf champs significance will diminish too). The Bama game was a big hurdle but even then wouldn't be that big of a deal (we've likely kept Bama out of the playoffs).
Looking at the current AP poll, 9-3 LSU and 9-3 Utah would get it. What is the point of that? There's zero doubt they ARE NOT the best team so why give them a chance? Heck, even in a dang 8 team playoff Penn St gets in! Penn state lost to both OSU and Michigan and they would be in. Why?
Sorry, I'm a big hater of the 12 team playoff. Sure. I'll get a few more exciting games at the backend but the reg season just isn't going to have those big important games that I HAVE to see, you know?
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I think the whole point of the argument is to get all valid options in. Previously the issue was that a no loss terrible conference team was kept out. This year you have the stars that were aligned for TCU and they are 12-0. Reality is that TN/AL/LSU would likely all beat TCU. I don't hate an 8 team playoff model. Are you still going to have a team in the mix that likely doesn't belong ? Obviously you will. Heck even this year look at the top 4. While TCU is 12-0 do they really look like a team who can compete with MI/GA/OSU?
 
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#65
I know the road is set for a 12-team playoff, but it really should be 8 and end it there.

Power 5 Champs
Top Group of 5 Team
Two At-Large Bids

However, while I think 8 is the best number, if they do this they really would need to get rid of divisions in all Power 5 conferences. There really is no excuse for LSU and Purdue to be playing for their conference championships. Divisions are stupid. It’s really not that hard just to say “Top 2” teams in each conference play, which would prevent undeserving teams from making the playoffs anyway.
 
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#66
Like I said, I’m for the playoff expansion, but some people cite the number of games and safety as an issue. I actually sort of agree but also think the teams who end up in the playoff, even if we have 6-8-12 of them is still not the bulk of teams. It’s more wear and tear but I think most teams would be accept that to compete. If it wasn’t just the post season championship stuff and across the board we added games to everyone that I may or may not agree with. This article does an okay job of discussing it for the playoffs:

Should health and safety concerns impact College Football Playoff expansion?
 
#67
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Behr said:
It does in this one.

Most of us college football fans want more football. That's what my argument is. You're just being silly at this point.

You said there was zero reason for an expansion. That's your opinion and your welcome to it.

Mower football please.
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There is zero reason for expansion. “Polling says otherwise”, doesn’t change that. There’s plenty of things people will proclaim they’d like in polls, but that would ultimately have poor results. This is one of those
 
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Vol8188 said:
There is zero reason for expansion. “Polling says otherwise”, doesn’t change that. There’s plenty of things people will proclaim they’d like in polls, but that would ultimately have poor results. This is one of those
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A lot of people feel good teams who could win get left out pretty regularly. Expanding it allows those teams to prove their cases.
 
#69
#69
Vol8188 said:
There is zero reason for expansion. “Polling says otherwise”, doesn’t change that. There’s plenty of things people will proclaim they’d like in polls, but that would ultimately have poor results. This is one of those
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That's your opinion.

And you're wrong.
 
#73
#73
I do sort of find it funny Saban has been against an expansion in the past but this year he’s like “there are some 2 loss teams that deserve a chance”. I mean I agree but it is interesting how opinions evolve..
 
#75
#75
I still think it is ridiculous for teams to get byes. Make it 8 or 16.

12 is like being intentionally bad about it.
 
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