How will History view GA?

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Wireless1 said:
The states that open will be blasted for continuing to have deaths but no real spikes.
The states that stay closed will claim a victory because the positives and deaths continue to drop but will become wastelands unless the feds come in with bailouts....they might not have the money to hold in person elections in November., so everyone will need to text their votes
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Hmmm... that is an interesting angle right there.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I said they weren't important to the economy... and there aren't enough full time gym employees nationwide to justify the unique risk involved with having such establishments open. Gyms are where people go to sweat, and exercise in close quarters with each other. There is no social distancing practiced in the average gym. At Gold's Gym, it's really not even possible if it's crowded... and people don't typically take precautions to avoid the spread of germs when working out. They put their bare hands on everything and don't wipe benches and elliptical equipment down after using them (usually). They should not be considered essential businesses.
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Oh well. Better luck next time.
 
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I don't know how "History will view Georgia", nor do I really care. In today's polarized society, those who are against it will find or manufacture numbers and data to support their view, as will those who are in favor of it. I trust the mainstream media about the same as I would trust a wet fa*t. Come to think of it, both give you a similar result.

But I do know this. Our economy is circling the drain; we have an unprecedented number of people unemployed or furloughed / laid off; our national debt is increasing at an astronomical pace; and those of us who do have (had) fairly decent retirement accounts have taken a massive hit.

All this over a very nasty, highly contagious virus that appears to have a roughly 2% mortality rate.

I'm wrong a lot, but that's my view. So for me, and many others in my professional and social circle, we're sick of trying to not get sick. Let's get back to work; start pulling down paychecks again; and get the dang toilet paper back on the shelves. None of us are going to get out of this existence alive anyway, so if we're going to die, let's at least die trying to get this nation back on it's feet again, as opposed to hiding in our houses with KN-95 masks on.

IMO, we all need to find our "Inner Sherman", and just say "Screw this, I'm marching tomorrow".

I'm not interested in history at this point; I'm interested in the future.
 
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GAVol said:
Covid cases seem to have peaked here April 14. So Kemp jumped the gun, but he’s only a couple of days ahead of the federal guideline. I disagree with the logic of some of the businesses he opened, but the fact is everybody is walking around Kroger, Publix, Lowe’s and Walmart anyway.

These are actual reported cases:
Georgia Department of Public Health COVID-19 Daily Status Report

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There's alot of confusion over the numbers... it would seem that some parties within GA have decided to change the methodology for counting.

It looks political to me. Go figure. Time will tell.

‘Confused and scared’: Georgians frustrated over shifting virus data
 
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One dynamic that we’re seeing here that’s likely to play out in a lot of places:

Red state Governor announces plan to reopen.
Democrat Metropolitan Mayor opposes just because.
Local city councils scramble for political cover with useless resolutions.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I don't know how "History will view Georgia", nor do I really care. In today's polarized society, those who are against it will find or manufacture numbers and data to support their view, as will those who are in favor of it. I trust the mainstream media about the same as I would trust a wet fa*t. Come to think of it, both give you a similar result.

But I do know this. Our economy is circling the drain; we have an unprecedented number of people unemployed or furloughed / laid off; our national debt is increasing at an astronomical pace; and those of us who do have (had) fairly decent retirement accounts have taken a massive hit.

All this over a very nasty, highly contagious virus that appears to have a roughly 2% mortality rate.

I'm wrong a lot, but that's my view. So for me, and many others in my professional and social circle, we're sick of trying to not get sick. Let's get back to work; start pulling down paychecks again; and get the dang toilet paper back on the shelves. None of us are going to get out of this existence alive anyway, so if we're going to die, let's at least die trying to get this nation back on it's feet again, as opposed to hiding in our houses with KN-95 masks on.

IMO, we all need to find our "Inner Sherman", and just say "Screw this, I'm marching tomorrow".

I'm not interested in history at this point; I'm interested in the future.
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I agree in principle with most everything you have said... but I put this line in bold because I think too much emphasis is placed on the low mortality rate from the virus. The real fear at the height of this pandemic is that hospitals would be overrun with patients during the outbreak and prevent adequate care from being supplied not just to COVID-19 patients... but to all hospital in-patients.
 
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MontyPython said:
There's alot of confusion over the numbers... it would seem that some parties within GA have decided to change the methodology for counting.

It looks political to me. Go figure. Time will tell.

‘Confused and scared’: Georgians frustrated over shifting virus data
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That’s absolutely the frustration. The methodology and stats are all over the place and nobody knows what to believe so they err on the side of caution either because of natural apprehension or political expediency.

I’d bet when this all blows over, we figure out that the virus was here a lot sooner than we thought and we peaked a little sooner. Either way, the numbers are skewed by confirmation bias.
 
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The leftist nanny state will keep everyone alive forever.

Look no farther than their prototypes: Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Joe Biden.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I said they weren't important to the economy... and there aren't enough full time gym employees nationwide to justify the unique risk involved with having such establishments open. Gyms are where people go to sweat, and exercise in close quarters with each other. There is no social distancing practiced in the average gym. At Gold's Gym, it's really not even possible if it's crowded... and people don't typically take precautions to avoid the spread of germs when working out. They put their bare hands on everything and don't wipe benches and elliptical equipment down after using them (usually). They should not be considered essential businesses.
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It's a good thing you dont have a say in the matter.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
It's a good thing you dont have a say in the matter.
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No, I don't have a say... and I have no reason to care what Georgia's governor does. The things I said about the spread of germs inside gyms is accurate, however. They pose much more of a risk to the spread of a contagion during a pandemic than the typical retail store... with much less of a contribution to the overall economy.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, I don't have a say... and I have no reason to care what Georgia's governor does. The things I said about the spread of germs inside gyms is accurate, however. They pose much more of a risk to the spread of a contagion during a pandemic than the typical retail store... with much less of a contribution to the overall economy.
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It was a strange list of businesses, but what I think it underlines is how many businesses got put in the essential category. Honestly, there just aren’t that many places to re-open once you get past personal services, restaurants, bars, gyms and bowling alleys.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Wait .. what does unsolved mean ? And if you don’t know why are you still using it in a mathematical equation to determine what the rest of the country could look like ? This is why we have a problem narrowing this crap down , we continue to use numbers that are maybes, possibles , could be’s in order to push a narrative one way or the other . Math is an exact science, same with causation of deaths .
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I think we’ve identified the model builder who started the panic.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I agree in principle with most everything you have said... but I put this line in bold because I think too much emphasis is placed on the low mortality rate from the virus. The real fear at the height of this pandemic is that hospitals would be overrun with patients during the outbreak and prevent adequate care from being supplied not just to COVID-19 patients... but to all hospital in-patients.
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The hospitals were not overloaded and the mortality rate when all the real data is reviewed will be nowhere close to 2%.

It’s time for those who want to go back to work to go back to work. If people want to continue to self isolate I won’t argue with you nor ask the police to come find you and make you go back to work.
 
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DC_Vol said:
The hospitals were not overloaded and the mortality rate when all the real data is reviewed will be nowhere close to 2%.

It’s time for those who want to go back to work to go back to work. If people want to continue to self isolate I won’t argue with you nor ask the police to come find you and make you go back to work.
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That depends on which hospitals you are talking about, of course. Mount Sinai Brooklyn was overloaded, as was NYU Langone Hospital in Brooklyn.
 
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DC_Vol said:
The hospitals were not overloaded and the mortality rate when all the real data is reviewed will be nowhere close to 2%.

It’s time for those who want to go back to work to go back to work. If people want to continue to self isolate I won’t argue with you nor ask the police to come find you and make you go back to work.
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The whole purpose of the shutdown was to “ flatten the curve “ that’s it , it was never to save live but to keep the healthcare system from being overran . Flatting the curve logically will lead to a long time frame because it stretches it out but mathematically the numbers should be about the same from one end of the spectrum to the other . Since we have done exactly what we set out to do “ flatten the curve “ and the hospitals are actually ahead of this to the point of laying off workers , it’s time to open back up . Have you noticed that nobody is talking about flattening the curve anymore ? Nobody !
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, I don't have a say... and I have no reason to care what Georgia's governor does. The things I said about the spread of germs inside gyms is accurate, however. They pose much more of a risk to the spread of a contagion during a pandemic than the typical retail store... with much less of a contribution to the overall economy.
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And individual people will make a personal decision about how much risk they're willing to take by going to the gym. The contribution that a gym makes to the overall economy is totally irrelevant.
 
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0nelilreb said:
The whole purpose of the shutdown was to “ flatten the curve “ that’s it , it was never to save live but to keep the healthcare system from being overran . Flatting the curve logically will lead to a long time frame because it stretches it out but mathematically the numbers should be about the same from one end of the spectrum to the other . Since we have done exactly what we set out to do “ flatten the curve “ and the hospitals are actually ahead of this to the point of laying off workers , it’s time to open back up . Have you noticed that nobody is talking about flattening the curve anymore ? Nobody !
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Yes, I have noticed. It almost feels like some of the players in this are looking for any reason possible not to get back to normal life.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Yes, I have noticed. It’s almost feels like some of the players in this are looking for any reason possible not to get back to normal life.
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We know the only reason it could be .. November .
 
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0nelilreb said:
We know the only reason it could be .. November .
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I have other ideas I would consider, as well. Maybe some people enjoy the attention. Maybe they like to be seen as one of the “experts”. Some might enjoy exerting control over others.
 
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