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#51
#51
Sabanocchio said:
Why are you trying to ridicule me for using a term that is used by our coaching staff and other talent scouts across the country and that I am using in the correct context. That just makes you look stupid -- not me.
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I have never understood everyone's hate for the term "fast twitch". and Yes he would be considered "fast twitch".
~The Expert...
 
#52
#52
I read Meat Market, and Coach O uses the term "fast twitch" to identify explosive defensive linemen. I don't know why everybody is giving Sab a hard time about it.
 
#53
#53
The Expert said:
I have never understood everyone's hate for the term "fast twitch". and Yes he would be considered "fast twitch".
~The Expert...
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Well then !!! There you have it, Mystery solved...... That was a lot easier than I thought it would be from reading this thread.
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#54
#54
I am white so it doesn't bother me but I always thought from what has been said that some people find the term "twitch" when referring to black people as kind of racist. I personally don't care. Was just throwing it out there why some people may not like the term. I don't even know if it's real... can we find some sort of medical terminology on this? :p
 
#56
#56
utvolpj said:
twitch has nothing to do with race
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I agree. I've just always heard it thrown around that black people have faster twitch(muscles?) than white people and or other races. I really don't care. Just something that I've heard tossed around. If your refer to a race as inferior or superior based on skin color, some people are offended. I do think black people are generally better athletes than white people so I don't know. I don't see anything racist about it because statistics would show black people are generally the fastest race. Who knows... just disregard what I say if I am in the wrong. :p
 
#59
#59
The Expert said:
I have never understood everyone's hate for the term "fast twitch". and Yes he would be considered "fast twitch".
~The Expert...
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There are basically 2 types of muscle fibers, fast twitch and slow twitch......Certain people may have a higher ratio of one type or the other, that's one of the reason why some athletes are great at long-distance/ cardio activities, ie bikers, runner, swimmers, etc.....and some athletes are great at explosive movements, ie basketball, sprinting, jumping, boxing, etc.....

The more you train, the more your body adapts....so if you train for more distance activites, then your slow twitch muscle fibers become more developed, but it could possibly make you less explosive, and vice versa......

The stereotype was that Black people had more ratio of fast twitch muscle fibers to slow twitch, so they are more explosive, but cannot last as long, as their slower white counterparts.......but seeing the Kenyans winning Olympic Gold medals in long distance has somewhat disproved the racial component to that theory, but it could be considered a general stereotype.

So, the fastest twitch athletes are going to be a certain size, bone structure, body composition, and probably the black athletes will have a higher ratio overall, but it's not every time, just in general.......I hate to make stereotypes, and they are still doing research in this area......

hope that helps........i hope i didn't offend anyone......:rock:
 
#60
#60
how bout... we leave the sterotyping & generalities off of our wonderfully intelligent and diverse site.
 
#64
#64
muscle fibers have absolutely nothing to do with color of skin and everything to do with workout regime and choice of sport...if you train to be a long distance runner then you will develop more slow-twitch fibers, if you train to be a middle linebacker then you will develop more fast twitch fibers...some people are naturally more lean than others so they will have more slow twitch fibers from the start, just like the bulkier people will naturally have a higher percentage of fast-twitch fibers. it just so happens that the majority of black athletes in this nation play sports that emphasize fast twitch muscles, but saying that black people are naturally more fast twitch than white people is false.
 
#65
#65
voltilifall said:
muscle fibers have absolutely nothing to do with color of skin and everything to do with workout regime and choice of sport...if you train to be a long distance runner then you will develop more slow-twitch fibers, if you train to be a middle linebacker then you will develop more fast twitch fibers...some people are naturally more lean than others so they will have more slow twitch fibers from the start, just like the bulkier people will naturally have a higher percentage of fast-twitch fibers. it just so happens that the majority of black athletes in this nation play sports that emphasize fast twitch muscles, but saying that black people are naturally more fast twitch than white people is false.
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like i said, genetics has a major play, and race is part of genetics......that's a fact.....but it also relates to body comp, bone structure, and can be influenced by training, etc.......but it's a fact that black athletes are generally more explosive than white athletes........so it was hypothesized about the fast twitch theory, but they are still doing research on it, among other things.....

we can talk about race without being racist, but if u think that's it's solely due to training alone, u r a fool....no matter how much u train, I doubt u will ever run a 4.3 forty, sorry :eek:lol:
 
#66
#66
there are many variables. but if u wanna use Race as a base then maybe you should take a hike

how is it a fact that black athletes are more explosive? You ever seen a soccer game in europe before? check one out, then I want u to notice the amount of great and explosive non black athletes on the field.
you are foolishly thinking in terms of American athletes. environment is a variable.
there is no racially genetic predisposition for speed.

these "generalizations" dont do anyone any good for anyone black or white

it just so happens that the majority of black athletes in this nation play sports that emphasize fast twitch muscles, but saying that black people are naturally more fast twitch than white people is false.
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smart man.
 
#67
#67
tabrams said:
like i said, genetics has a major play, and race is part of genetics......that's a fact.....but it also relates to body comp, bone structure, and can be influenced by training, etc.......but it's a fact that black athletes are generally more explosive than white athletes........so it was hypothesized about the fast twitch theory, but they are still doing research on it, among other things.....

we can talk about race without being racist, but if u think that's it's solely due to training alone, u r a fool....no matter how much u train, I doubt u will ever run a 4.3 forty, sorry :eek:lol:
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possessing predominantly fast twitch muscle fibers will not necessarily mean that you will run a faster 40 time, it merely means that your body type makes you more inclined to play sports that require explosive movements. offensive linemen will have a high percentage of fast twitch fibers but they are not fast, it's about body type not speed. it's one thing to say that black athletes are faster than white athletes, it's another thing to say that they automatically are composed of entirely different muscle fibers. i disagree on principle with any sweeping generalizations that say that one segment of the population is better at something than another merely because of race, there are far too many outlying variables that can contribute to this than racial identities. i'm not shouting racism or making accusations i just think that we should acknowledge that there is more to the story than muscle fibers alone.
 
#68
#68
If you look at the worlds strongest man competitions, most of the competitors are white. That is definately fast twitch.
If you want to talk race, what I have generally seen is that black guys mature physically faster than white guys. I see it all the time from middle school thoughout college.
By the time highschool starts, the white athletes have found something more suitable for them because they havent matured enough for sports like basketball or football. They usually catch up in the later years of highschool and in college.
 
#69
#69
voltilifall said:
muscle fibers have absolutely nothing to do with color of skin and everything to do with workout regime and choice of sport...if you train to be a long distance runner then you will develop more slow-twitch fibers, if you train to be a middle linebacker then you will develop more fast twitch fibers...some people are naturally more lean than others so they will have more slow twitch fibers from the start, just like the bulkier people will naturally have a higher percentage of fast-twitch fibers. it just so happens that the majority of black athletes in this nation play sports that emphasize fast twitch muscles, but saying that black people are naturally more fast twitch than white people is false.
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There is evidence suggesting African America's genetically more likely to have more fast twitch muscle fibers than other races.
 
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#71
#71
voltilifall said:
i'm not shouting racism or making accusations i just think that we should acknowledge that there is more to the story than muscle fibers alone.
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Of course there is more than muscle fibers......I already posted this.......let me make a list, so u can understand

1. Genetics - which includes body comp, bone structure, muscle fibers, etc.

2. environment/ practice - u will never max out without training....

So, if you refer to #1, then u have alot of info.....height/ weight, body comp, structure, are huge in determining athletic ability/ potential........but muscle fibers proportion is extrememly important as well.......

proven fact, the athletes that have to highest proportion of fast twitch fibers are from West Africa......whereas East Africans have extra blood supply and mitochodria, which allows for extra oxygen during cardio activities...............

the fastest 200 100 meters times were all recorded by black athletes.......so why is this? refer to above.......West Africans have a high level of type 2 fibers (fast twitch).....that is a large reason

if you don't understand the facts, then do u'r reseach, be4 u get offended by the truth.....
 
#73
#73
Brewerw said:
You are SO wrong. You can't "train" fast twitch muscle fibers. You have them or you don't. Fast twitch muscle fibers affect someone's quickness. Slow twitch muscle fibers are weight training muscles.
There is also evidence suggesting African America's genetically more likely to have more fast twitch muscle fibers than other races.
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thank you!! finally someone who has done their research, instead to people posting babble :eek:lol:
 
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