I am....

[PaulieWalnuts]

I am voting for President Obama, or "Barry" as some of you so eloquently put it, just as I did 4 years ago. He didn't live up to my expectations but he did enough to earn my vote again.

 

[KingNick865]

If I'm reading it right then you think the country needs someone with the ideas of Johnson but personally you benefit more from Obama?
Since Obama and Johnson are so completely different, doesn't that make you rethink your views? I just don't understand voting for someone you think is harmful to this country

Not necessarily. I do benefit more from Obama, being a poor college student who receives federal student aid and all. I think I know where you're going with this though. I don't mind telling you that my wish is for a country with a more liberal government that seeks to provide a service to it's people.

However, and I only speak for myself and no one else, I also wish for a balanced budget, or at least one with far less inefficiencies than what we currently have, thus, my support for Johnson as well.

I, personally, do not believe it's a one or the other situation. I think it's possible to do both. I think it's possible to balance the budget without draconian spending cuts, or without dramatically increasing taxes on people.

Maybe I'm somewhat naive, but that's what I think. Flame away.

 

[utvolpj]

but he did enough to earn my vote again.

like what?

Not necessarily. I do benefit more from Obama, being a poor college student who receives federal student aid and all. I think I know where you're going with this though. I don't mind telling you that my wish is for a country with a more liberal government that seeks to provide a service to it's people.

However, and I only speak for myself and no one else, I also wish for a balanced budget, or at least one with far less inefficiencies than what we currently have, thus, my support for Johnson as well.

I, personally, do not believe it's a one or the other situation. I think it's possible to do both. I think it's possible to balance the budget without draconian spending cuts, or without dramatically increasing taxes on people.

Maybe I'm somewhat naive, but that's what I think. Flame away.

fair enough. One day they'll be taking your money and we'll see if you feel different.

 

[YorkVol]

It's true York, sorry.

We have the same debate every 4 years.

Every 4 years, the major parties keep everyone in line by scaring us all into thinking a vote for anyone but a D or R is a vote for Armageddon. We, as a country, are being manipulated into maintaining this particular 2 party system at all costs. The real power brokers are okay with fluctuating between D and R because they are all set up to wield their influence regardless of the letter. At first the Tea Party scared them but then someone influenced them to claim they weren't going to be an actual political party and that was their undoing (That along with the spot light on their crazier members). We are being manipulated to maintain a political system that has been co-opted and is doing exactly what they want it to do. As long as you recognize you are being manipulated to maintain the two party system regardless of the outcome, vote how you want.

 

[PaulieWalnuts]

like what?

1) "Obamacare."

2) Bin Laden

3) Don't ask, Don't tell.

4) Removed Bush restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research

5) He's not Republican

Plenty of other things too.

 

[GAVol]

1) "Obamacare."

2) Bin Laden

3) Don't ask, Don't tell.

4) Removed Bush restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research

5) He's not Republican

Plenty of other things too.

In other words, you're hyper partisan. I disagree with you down the line, but at least you're honest about it. :hi:

 

[PaulieWalnuts]

In other words, you're hyper partisan.

Aren't we all?

 

[GAVol]

Aren't we all?

You won't see me criticize anybody for it that's up front about it, unless they're just flat out unreasonable.

 

[utvolpj]

Aren't we all?

no we're not. I honestly can't wrap my head around people who want their lives run by the govt but can appreciate the answer. Frankly I think I'm smarter than them anyway when it comes to my life and money

 

[GAVol]

no we're not. I honestly can't wrap my head around people who want their lives run by the govt but can appreciate the answer. Frankly I think I'm smarter than them anyway when it comes to my life and money

There's a difference between criticizing someone for being partisan and criticizing them for being stupid.

 

[n_huffhines]

Currently my family is (1) guaranteed at least a 10% tax increase next year with Nobamacare. If you don't believe that then you are in trouble. 2nd, I have a kid graduating in Architecture next year. When he started, it was a great field. In the 5 years that he has been in school, (2) it has tanked largely due to the fiscal policies of the current regime. He stand to not have a job and be living with me. 3rd I have a kid graduating with a masters in Biomed that couldn't get a job when he graduated with a BS and a 3.5+ GPA. (3) He isn't guaranteed a job either, I may also be supporting him. What little 401k we have is making NO headway to recovery much less growth and with the outrageous deficit spending that is going on, it will either stay stagnant or be confiscated by the 401k grab that is being considered by the WH now under the guise of the mandatory retirement accounts. (4) I am an avid hunter and fear for the loss of my guns. I am actually scared that the nut in chief will follow through on allowing the UN to police guns in our country. There are so many things that this egotistical nutjob is capable of that it is inconceivable that our country could stand another 4 years of him. Being in your early 50's and on the cusp of unemployment is kind of daunting.

(1) With Obama you are paying more in taxes, rather than passing the debt onto your children. Romney isn't cutting spending and somebody has to pay for it, eventually. And that's still contingent on Romney actually cutting taxes.

(2) I disagree. It's the policies we've been implementing for the last 30 years, both with regard to education and the housing market. Republicans, like Romney, that think government is the answer are just as guilty.

(3) Romney/Bush/Obama have all had similarities among economic policies. Why do you think he would somehow be "guaranteed" a job under Romney?

(4) Obama seems to have a better record on guns than Romney does.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Yeah, I like that attitude too, I'm not going to vote for the guy that is going to kick me in the nuts and then keep kicking me, but I also won't vote for the guy that says he won't because he might. I've been kicked in the nuts enough already. I can't take anymore. Barry is a known cancer, Romney isn't.

You know this for sure? Why are you so sure? What in his past or Ryan's past make you think they are serious candidates?

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[82_VOL_83]

We have the same debate every 4 years.

Every 4 years, the major parties keep everyone in line by scaring us all into thinking a vote for anyone but a D or R is a vote for Armageddon. We, as a country, are being manipulated into maintaining this particular 2 party system at all costs. The real power brokers are okay with fluctuating between D and R because they are all set up to wield their influence regardless of the letter. At first the Tea Party scared them but then someone influenced them to claim they weren't going to be an actual political party and that was their undoing (That along with the spot light on their crazier members). We are being manipulated to maintain a political system that has been co-opted and is doing exactly what they want it to do. As long as you recognize you are being manipulated to maintain the two party system regardless of the outcome, vote how you want.

Unfortunately, it is a manipulation that I cannot do a thing about. The only real change in this country will happen when 1) we either start a civil war and start over, or 2) we finally reach a point where over 55% of the voting populace has their hand out to accept a government entitlement. Unfortunately the second is the most likely. Continuing to vote for your man instead of voting against someone who is pushing this country full steam ahead to reach #2 is something that I don't understand. And yes, I stand by the fact that this is the most critical presidential election that I have ever voted in. Even more critical than Carter vs. Regan. We have never been this close to losing the US to the rest of the world.

 

[82_VOL_83]

You know this for sure? Why are you so sure? What in his past or Ryan's past make you think they are serious candidates?

No, I don't know this for sure, but I do know what Barry is. Like I said, a sure kick in the nuts or a possible one. I will vote for the possible one any day.

 

[82_VOL_83]

(1) With Obama you are paying more in taxes, rather than passing the debt onto your childrenwrong, there is no decrease in spending, no budget, and no one is closing the check book on Barry. Romney isn't cutting spending and somebody has to pay for it, eventually. And that's still contingent on Romney actually cutting taxes.You don't know what Romney is going to do. Like I have posted above, I hope that Romney works as if he is answering to someone not as if everyone answers to him like the current JIC does. The repeal and replacement of Nobamacare will be a huge cut in spending alone and will represent a tax avoidance.

(2) I disagree. It's the policies we've been implementing for the last 30 years, both with regard to education and the housing market. Republicans, like Romney, that think government is the answer are just as guilty. The education system in this country is a flop. I believe that Romney and Ryan will act to at least move us away from a unionized teaching system to a merit based system. We have a pretty good education system in Knox county and it is still painfully obvious when you get down to the nitty gritty that the system is about the system and not about the kids. The housing market and the loan situation are the direct results of the Libs. The Cons have done little to fix it other than to make noise but the system requiring banks to make a certain % of bad loans originated with Carter. Appointees of Clinton have been running FM and FM for far too long.

(3) Romney/Bush/Obama have all had similarities among economic policies. Why do you think he would somehow be "guaranteed" a job under Romney?I never said he would be guaranteed a job, but I feel that it will be more likely since I think there will be a more "stable" economy under Romney than under Barry

(4) Obama seems to have a better record on guns than Romney does.BS and you know it

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[PKT_VOL]

Here is how I see it, ANY vote for Johnson is a vote for Barry. If it weren't that way IMO, I would vote for Gary Johnson. But until I can assure myself that the first statement isn't true, I can't vote for the guy I want, I have to vote against the guy I don't want.

Be the change you want to see in the world ~ Gandhi

You obviously want Johnson. You think Johnson is the best candidate. Vote your conscience.

A vote for Johnson is not a vote for Obama. It is a vote for Johnson. It is a vote against our broken two party system. It is a vote against the abject failure of Obama's administration. It is a vote against the hypocritical clowns of the GOP. It is a vote for freedom and fiscal sanity.

A vote for Johnson will speak volumes compared to yet another vote for a major party. I hope one day, you and people like you, will see this. Nothing in our country will truly change for the better until more people have the courage to stand for what is right; not what is popular, not what helps them tomorrow.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Then I hope they can live with themselves if Barry gets 4 more years.

Plus I am not convinced all these guys are actually going to vote for GJ, it's kind of the "in" thing to say around here right now. I am guessing when many of them walk into that booth and no one is around they will see there are only 2 choices.

The best thing for your party is for Romney and Ryan to fail and Obama to have another four years.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I am voting for President Obama, or "Barry" as some of you so eloquently put it, just as I did 4 years ago. He didn't live up to my expectations but he did enough to earn my vote again.

It's nicer than what he has earned.

 

[n_huffhines]

:whistling:

2010: The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence gives Obama a grade of “F” for failing to push even the gun restrictions he supported while campaigning.

2004: Romney signs a Massachusetts ban on assault weapons. He mollifies many gun rights advocates by coupling it with looser rules on gun licenses and an extension of the duration of licenses, reducing the effect of the earlier fee increase.

Gun control: Mitt Romney and Barack Obama’s political record | The Raw Story

 

[82_VOL_83]

Not necessarily. I do benefit more from Obama, being a poor college student who receives federal student aid and all. I think I know where you're going with this though. I don't mind telling you that my wish is for a country with a more liberal government that seeks to provide a service to it's people.

However, and I only speak for myself and no one else, I also wish for a balanced budget, or at least one with far less inefficiencies than what we currently have, thus, my support for Johnson as well.

I, personally, do not believe it's a one or the other situation. I think it's possible to do both. I think it's possible to balance the budget without draconian spending cuts, or without dramatically increasing taxes on people.

Maybe I'm somewhat naive, but that's what I think. Flame away.

I wouldn't call you naive, but young or maybe inexperienced? You can't have a liberal government that provides for the wants and needs of society and a balanced budget. The government eventually runs out of other peoples money to spend. Barry is running a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit. If you taxed the "rich" (i.e. ind's making over $200k) at 75%, you still wouldn't make a dent in that number. We have to have draconian cuts or we are done. The same way that we have to increase taxes or we are done. EVERYONE above a reasonable wage level needs to pay taxes. As it is now, only about 45% pay meaningful taxes. I actually think that you could make a reasonable flat tax at 15 - 17% that EVERYONE pays and come out ahead (btw that is about where my family is now). There are tons of ways to cut spending by the Feds and there are tons of ways to increase revenues. It's just that Barry has been campaigning for 3 years now instead of running the country. We haven't had a budget since he has been in office. We need a change away from him.

 

[PKT_VOL]

nope, it's still a vote for Johnson. If Obama wins it's not because Johnson stole votes, it's because the GOP ran a turd of a candidate against one of the more beatable incumbents in recent memory

If I believed this, I would vote for Johnson are you are. With the entitlement class growing so swiftly in this country, you couldn't be further from the truth.

Man you are contradicting yourself.

You have stated that you believe Johnson is the best candidate.

That means you don't believe Obama or Romney, in a perfect world, ought to be President.

Obama is hands down one of the weakest, if not the weakest incumbents we have ever seen.

If the GOP ran a guy that was actually a decent candidate, you don't believe more people would be voting for him? You don't believe he would be doing better than Romney in the polls? You are basically saying that if the baby Jesus was on the GOP ticket, he couldn't do any better because of the entitlement situation in America. You are dead wrong.

If Chris Christie, Ron Paul, Huntsman, or Gary Johnson was at the top of the ticket, the GOP would be killing Obama. It wouldn't even be close.

 

[82_VOL_83]

:whistling:





Gun control: Mitt Romney and Barack Obama’s political record | The Raw Story

And this in no way reflects what would take place during his presidency. What he did in a liberal state with a liberal congress, what he has to answer to nationally from a 2nd amendment standpoint is quite different.

A link from The Raw Story on gun control is like quoting Pat Robertson on abortion......

 

[PKT_VOL]

2nd, I have a kid graduating in Architecture next year. When he started, it was a great field. In the 5 years that he has been in school, it has tanked largely due to the fiscal policies of the current regime. He stand to not have a job and be living with me.

My best friend at UT was architecture. I knew practically all the architecture students and faculty at UT. UT is one of the top 3 in the country for architecture. Some say number one. What you say about the current job situation is true to a certain extent. However, the reasons to why are erroneous. It is due to the collapse of the housing market. No Obama's fault. It will be years before it is corrected, regardless who the President is.

3rd I have a kid graduating with a masters in Biomed that couldn't get a job when he graduated with a BS and a 3.5+ GPA. He isn't guaranteed a job either, I may also be supporting him.

There are jobs out there. Might not be his dream job, but he can get a job.

What little 401k we have is making NO headway to recovery much less growth and with the outrageous deficit spending that is going on, it will either stay stagnant or be confiscated by the 401k grab that is being considered by the WH now under the guise of the mandatory retirement accounts.

Everyone's 401k are struggling. Deficit spending is not going to be curbed like you think under Romney.

I am an avid hunter and fear for the loss of my guns.

You have lost your mind.

I am actually scared that the nut in chief will follow through on allowing the UN to police guns in our country.

Again, you are out of your mind.

There are so many things that this egotistical nutjob is capable of that it is inconceivable that our country could stand another 4 years of him. Being in your early 50's and on the cusp of unemployment is kind of daunting.

Valid point. Thinking Romney will change that immediately is dreaming though.

 

[82_VOL_83]

My best friend at UT was architecture. I knew practically all the architecture students and faculty at UT. UT is one of the top 3 in the country for architecture. Some say number one. What you say about the current job situation is true to a certain extent. However, the reasons to why are erroneous. It is due to the collapse of the housing market.Wrong, very few architects go on to draw houses unless they just can't find any work. New grads definitely don't draw houses. The collapse of the architecture business was due to deficit spending, unsure tax situations for major companies, and just a generally unsettled economy which is a direct result of Barry's policies. When businesses don't build hospitals, malls, airports, or office buildings, architects don't work. No Obama's fault. It will be years before it is corrected, regardless who the President is.



There are jobs out there. Might not be his dream job, but he can get a job.wasn't a question of a dream job, he however does need to stay in the SE for the next year or so.



Everyone's 401k are struggling. Deficit spending is not going to be curbed like you think under Romney.Any decrease in deficit spending will be better than what will happen if Barry is put back in the WH.



You have lost your mind.Yeah, it's my mind but if you want to tell me what to think or believe, you are an idiot for wasting a vote on GJ and are directly supporting the re-election of the worst president in the history of the US. JMO



Again, you are out of your mind.see above



Valid point. Thinking Romney will change that immediately is dreaming though.and I in no way said that he would change it immediately for me but it is my belief that NOTHING will change for the better if the current buffoon is re-elected. However, it is my belief that if Romney is elected and shows the country that there will be some stability for the next 4 years that the job situation will begin to change immediately.

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