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#51
#51
VolDad said:
I don’t understand the comparison. Carter ordered the Eagle Claw mission. From what I understand, Obama was not involved in ordering or planning this mission.
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And even if he did, you would not acknowledge it.

Out of curiosity, what role do you think Presidents play in planning military operations? I mean seriously, since the Civil War, I doubt very seriously that they do any actual planning -- they simply commission whatever plan they choose from those offered by the military.

In this case, Obama chose wisely. And more important, he did not stand in their way, as some right wing zealots had surmised (and hoped).

The irony is that people like Limbaugh, Boortz, and Hannity would have much preferred that the captain of that ship die and the pirates get away and Obama look bad. I am serious. They hate Obama that much.
 
#52
#52
lawgator1 said:
The irony is that people like Limbaugh, Boortz, and Hannity would have much preferred that the captain of that ship die and the pirates get away and Obama look bad. I am serious. They hate Obama that much.
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ridiculous and out of line even for you.
 
#54
#54
lawgator1 said:
So reaction #2 is that they succeeded DESPITE Obama.
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They succeeded because he granted their request for permission and they are highly skilled professionals.

Now if they asked for permission, he said "NO", and they proceeded anyways with the same result, then they would have succeeded DESPITE Obama.

FDR called together his Joint Chiefs of Staff after Pearl Harbor. He ordered them to come back to him with a plan to strike back at Japan. They came back with the Doolittle Raid and he authorized them to proceed. He gets Credit.

In this case the Military saw an opportunity, came up with a plan, followed protocol by asking for permission, and succeeded. They get Credit.

If you want to count this as an FDR type moment for Obama, more power to you. I disagree.

I will give him credit for not standing in the way of the military. He could have said “NO” the same way that Clinton blocked the strike on Osama.

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lawgator1 said:
And even if he did, you would not acknowledge it.

Out of curiosity, what role do you think Presidents play in planning military operations? I mean seriously, since the Civil War, I doubt very seriously that they do any actual planning -- they simply commission whatever plan they choose from those offered by the military.

In this case, Obama chose wisely. And more important, he did not stand in their way, as some right wing zealots had surmised (and hoped).

The irony is that people like Limbaugh, Boortz, and Hannity would have much preferred that the captain of that ship die and the pirates get away and Obama look bad. I am serious. They hate Obama that much.[/QUOTE]

You sir, have lost it.
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#58
#58
lawgator1 said:
And even if he did, you would not acknowledge it.......
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I gave FDR credit before reading this post and I am certainly not a fan of his politics.

Obama does not scare me. Reed and Pelosi scare me. The fact that we have no checks and balances in Washington right now scares me.
 
#59
#59
VolDad said:
Deep down, did you want Bush to succeed in Iraq?
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No. Well, not exactly.

Its more that I just don;t get it -- and by that I mean ther point of the enormous expense in lives and resources. But that's not because I disliked Bush, though I did.

It was because the misadventure there seemed to me to be just pointless. To this day, looking back at it, I still don't quite understrand how Bush & Co. managed to get the country to do this, other than to use 9/11 as an excuse.

Difference is, I felt it likely that eventually Iraq would just sort of wind down as a failure with no purpose. People were rooting for Obama to fail just so they could say "Told ya so."

Look at the banners on this page -- there's one asking people "Are you sorry you voted for Obama?" Its just amazing.
 
#61
#61
VolDad said:
I don’t understand the comparison. Carter ordered the Eagle Claw mission. From what I understand, Obama was not involved in ordering or planning this mission.
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Hey, I'm just trying to be fair and balanced and give a positive spin on the situation.

:)
 
#63
#63
lawgator1 said:
The irony is that people like Limbaugh, Boortz, and Hannity would have much preferred that the captain of that ship die and the pirates get away and Obama look bad. I am serious. They hate Obama that much.
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Even if I were to agree that there are some who have and will use anything and everything they can to take shots at Obama (which makes Obama not one jot different than any other president you can name) with the above quote you jumped the shark...and wearing the outfit Belinda Carlisle wore in the Go Go's "Vacation" video.

You don't just state that someone, even if it's known they have an ax to grind, would prefer to see an innocent person die at the hands of pirates. Not and keep any credibility on the matter.
 
#68
#68
lawgator1 said:
Difference is, I felt it likely that eventually Iraq would just sort of wind down as a failure with no purpose. People were rooting for Obama to fail just so they could say "Told ya so."

Look at the banners on this page -- there's one asking people "Are you sorry you voted for Obama?" Its just amazing.
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How's that different? People were actively rooting for Operation Iraqi Freedom to fail specifically so they could point out how wrong Bush was. And guess what? A lot of democrats are quite disappointed in Obama. Several of them post here.
 
#69
#69
lawgator1 said:
The irony is that people like Limbaugh, Boortz, and Hannity would have much preferred that the captain of that ship die and the pirates get away and Obama look bad. I am serious. They hate Obama that much.
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Wow! You can't seriously believe this.
 
#72
#72
rjd970 said:
Let me remind you...





And it's obvious this whole thing was going to turn out bad, simply because the Obama is in the White House...
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so tell me how the post I made that you decided to help make your point paints me as a hate monger and a race baiter?

also, please educate me on what Obama did in those two situations that separated himself from what Bush critics claim went on after Katrina.
 
#73
#73
lawgator1 said:
Interesting. When the military was not taking action fast enough, Obama was directly to blame. Then they do have this success, and Obama gets none of the credit.
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What do you expect from the Republican peanut gallery on here? No matter what went down, Obama would have been criticized by the same old people on here.
 
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