salutethehill
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I'll do it last year for the Big XII and see if it makes a significant difference.
Any suggestion on how to handle FCS teams? I went with the standard .2500 winning % because the average team that transitions from FCS to FBS has a .2500 winning % during their first three years. And I only included their games against FBS opponents in their score differential so that they are treated like a transitioning FBS team.
If I were to only include FBS opponents in an FCS team's SOS, then a team like Lamar will have an SOS of 95.25 because their only FBS opponent was Baylor.
I simply have a problem including an FCS opponent's full season when assessing an FBS team. I mean, Charleston Southern went undefeated against lower division opponents, but Alabama beat them by 50.
Back in 2011, during the controversy surrounding the Bama-LSU rematch
There really was no controversy, it just showed the bias of the system which is ran on ratings which was obvious. An after the fact rating system really doesn't solve anything, there will always be problems as well.
As far as your supposed math formula, I'll make a permanent ban bet with you as to where LSU finishes this year.... since you have them at #34.
" You cannot argue with math."
Presenting a formula to help in possibly determining something is not math, its an opinion. lol
the dumbest preseason poll known to man.
Before getting all bent out of shape, why don't you actually read thru the thread a little? You are pissing and moaning about me having LSU at #34 when I said, multiple times, that my formula doesn't lend itself to predictions, and I called it
I think all math systems are dumb, and this was designed to prove my point. So calm down, Sally.
I'm not upset at all nor pissing and moaning. I have no idea what the purpose of this thread is... so you made a custom formula, cool. You said you couldn't argue Math, but you can argue with an opinion. All ratings are based on an opinion, but it appears to me to suggest in your comments that your formula is more correct.
All the formulas in the world will not help... as evident by 2011... at best Bama was 3rd in the SEC
You missed the point of this, and you missed it badly.
First Ranking of the Year, with AP/Coaches for reference. For the formula, see the OP.
1. Michigan (4-0) - 187.4175 (4/5)
2. Louisville (4-0) - 186.3292 (3/4)
3. Tennessee (4-0) - 182.3475 (11/11)
4. Ohio St (3-0) - 180.5133 (2/2)
5. Clemson (4-0) - 179.3400 (5/3)
6. Alabama (4-0) - 168.2700 (1/1)
7. Stanford (3-0) - 166.0989 (7/6)
8. Texas A&M (4-0) - 164.1750 (9/10)
9. Houston (4-0) - 163.1042 (6/7)
10. Washington (4-0) - 162.3075 (10/9)
11. Boise St (3-0) - 161.4178 (24/UR)
12. Wake Forest (4-0) - 158.8783 (UR/UR)
13. Wisconsin (4-0) - 157.8142 (8/8)
14. Nebraska (4-0) - 155.1900 (15/15)
15. Western Michigan (4-0) - 154.8458 (UR/UR)
16. Florida St (3-1) - 153.0500 (12/12)
17. Colorado (3-1) - 153.0425 (UR/UR)
18. Arizona St (4-0) - 152.2333 (UR/UR)
19. Virginia Tech (3-1) - 151.7225 (UR/UR)
20. Memphis (3-0) - 150.3578 (UR/UR)
21. Troy (3-1) - 150.1000 (UR/UR)
22. Miami (3-0) - 149.7167 (14/14)
23. Florida (3-1) - 148.0950 (23/21)
24. Navy (3-0) - 147.5500 (UR/UR)
25. West Virginia (3-0) - 146.7033 (UR/UR)
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Where did Ole Miss and UGA place?First Ranking of the Year, with AP/Coaches for reference. For the formula, see the OP.
1. Michigan (4-0) - 187.4175 (4/5)
2. Louisville (4-0) - 186.3292 (3/4)
3. Tennessee (4-0) - 182.3475 (11/11)
4. Ohio St (3-0) - 180.5133 (2/2)
5. Clemson (4-0) - 179.3400 (5/3)
6. Alabama (4-0) - 168.2700 (1/1)
7. Stanford (3-0) - 166.0989 (7/6)
8. Texas A&M (4-0) - 164.1750 (9/10)
9. Houston (4-0) - 163.1042 (6/7)
10. Washington (4-0) - 162.3075 (10/9)
11. Boise St (3-0) - 161.4178 (24/UR)
12. Wake Forest (4-0) - 158.8783 (UR/UR)
13. Wisconsin (4-0) - 157.8142 (8/8)
14. Nebraska (4-0) - 155.1900 (15/15)
15. Western Michigan (4-0) - 154.8458 (UR/UR)
16. Florida St (3-1) - 153.0500 (12/12)
17. Colorado (3-1) - 153.0425 (UR/UR)
18. Arizona St (4-0) - 152.2333 (UR/UR)
19. Virginia Tech (3-1) - 151.7225 (UR/UR)
20. Memphis (3-0) - 150.3578 (UR/UR)
21. Troy (3-1) - 150.1000 (UR/UR)
22. Miami (3-0) - 149.7167 (14/14)
23. Florida (3-1) - 148.0950 (23/21)
24. Navy (3-0) - 147.5500 (UR/UR)
25. West Virginia (3-0) - 146.7033 (UR/UR)
Looking for a particular team? Just ask.
Odd. I have to go back and reread the thread to figure out how GA is ranked above OM.
Thanks, bama.
i know your formula doesn't look at it this way and its likely never going to happen but it bothers me a little that there is no value on head to head games. two teams could play each other, both end up with the same record and the loser still be ranked above (maybe even significantly) than who won that game.
You're completely correct, and I'm surprised no one has brought it up before now.
Here's why I didn't account for that:
It places a subjective value into what is an otherwise objective formula. How should a head-to-head victory be formulated? Are all head-to-head victories created equal? If Team A beats Team B by a field goal and they both finish 11-1, but Team B finishes with a much better SOS, should Team A inevitably be ranked ahead of Team B because of the head-to-head?
These questions are why math systems are so problematic.