I just can't agree Alabama has that edge............

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Rifleman said:
Texas A&M has pretty similar talent to Bama—just a little less. IF we can move the ball like we did last week and limit the penalties and actually score when we cross the 50, we can beat them. (Their rush defense ain’t been as good as A&Ms.)

Big “ifs” though. Gotta stay in it and not have a swamp 2.0. I think we’ll give ‘em a fight.
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I agree about the talent levels. However, there is one big difference between Texas A&M and Alabama. Alabama has a coach.
 
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bigorangepoppa said:
If the same defense that we saw against A&M shows up Saturday, we have a very real chance and I believe, opportunity to show that Tennessee is coming quickly. Limit mistakes like penalties, fumbles, interceptions, very winnable game. Just don't allow the atmosphere to overwhelm them, and who knows, Tennessee make shock the world Saturday.
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IMO we are one good QB away from handing Bama a loss. If we can hit 2 or 3 deep balls to open up the run game we have a serious chance of winning.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think virtually every talking head I've heard on this game is ignoring what IMO will be the key match up of the game- UT's front vs Bama's OL. Bama has real issues on the OL. Their young LT may eventually be a really good player but he's getting destroyed by players much less than Baron, Bailey, and West... not to mention when the Vols go to their pass rush package. Talent doesn't always determine games but this Bama O is not as talented or good as A&M's O.

Without saying it, most guys are basing their opinions a lot on Milton. But Milton doesn't have to do everything. He just has to do enough to keep Bama from stacking the box.. If he runs then he changes the math. If he can hit a few shots down field then that loosens them up. Even if he can be effective with the WR screen they have to make a choice.


There are always other factors like the home field crowd et al that play in. If the officials let Bama get away with holding then that nullifies UT's greatest advantage.

But I don't really see a big difference between Bama and A&M. In fact, A&M probably has better personnel position by position. UT has a good shot at winning this game.
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A&M may have better personel on paper as in 5* players but not in reality. Not in coaching.

If we can get to the QB we can beat them
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
A&M may have better personel on paper as in 5* players but not in reality. Not in coaching.

If we can get to the QB we can beat them
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A&M definitely has a coaching and confidence/trust issue. No doubt about that.

I don't think it is just on paper though. As individual performers, A&M has outstanding players. Bama has problems on their OL right now. A&M is no worse than equal on the D front. A&M's skill players are better. I would even say that Johnson is better than Milroe.

I would contend that man by man A&M has better players... but it does take coaching to pull that together.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think virtually every talking head I've heard on this game is ignoring what IMO will be the key match up of the game- UT's front vs Bama's OL. Bama has real issues on the OL. Their young LT may eventually be a really good player but he's getting destroyed by players much less than Baron, Bailey, and West... not to mention when the Vols go to their pass rush package. Talent doesn't always determine games but this Bama O is not as talented or good as A&M's O.

Without saying it, most guys are basing their opinions a lot on Milton. But Milton doesn't have to do everything. He just has to do enough to keep Bama from stacking the box.. If he runs then he changes the math. If he can hit a few shots down field then that loosens them up. Even if he can be effective with the WR screen they have to make a choice.


There are always other factors like the home field crowd et al that play in. If the officials let Bama get away with holding then that nullifies UT's greatest advantage.

But I don't really see a big difference between Bama and A&M. In fact, A&M probably has better personnel position by position. UT has a good shot at winning this game.
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While I agree that our defensive front vs the bama OL will be in our favor, the x factor is how well Milroe is able to run. His legs, if healthy, can negate our advantage up front to a degree. If he's mobile enough and we don't contain, he can extend plays and that is a concern with our secondary. Milroe might not be a guy who can read and utilize all 3 levels in the passing game, but he's certainly had some success with the deep ball and that worries me in this one.
 
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I wish this game didn’t come down to these three things, but it really does.

1. Can Milton throw a good ball to a receiver that gets open? Having been at most our games and able to see the field…..we don’t have open receivers often, even when playing against man coverage. It’s nothing like last year, and losing Bru (the only one that seemed to be able to regularly catch a toss up or bad throw) made it even worse. Add in Milton only putting the ball on target half the time….I have no idea how he only has 4 pics.

2. Can our receivers catch the ball the 50% of the time it’s anywhere near them and get open vs single coverage? We’re going to see a ton of man coverage on the outside with the other 7 or 8 in the box. There is zero reason not to do it. Milton has not shown the ability to pass under pressure, and our receivers haven’t shown the ability to first get open even against man coverage and have not shown the ability to catch if they do and if Joe finds and then hits them. Our RBs are gashing people. Lots of cover zero coming until that hurts somebody. Alabama has two huge DTs that are going to force us to bounce most runs outside. If they are allowed to have extra LBs to set the edge outside due to our complete lack of a passing threat…..we’re in trouble.

3. Can we get pressure on Milroe like we have other QBs. Our secondary is still terrible. They just don’t look as bad because we have been getting good QB pressure unlike last year. There are receivers running open all over the field, we just thankfully haven’t been giving opposing QBs the time to find them. Milroe is pretty obviously hurt, so we don’t have to worry as much about him running, but we do have to get to him before he finds an open receiver….because there will be open receivers.

Tennessee can win this game, but it gets harder the higher the point total gets. Bama’s overall defense is better than TAMU. Secondary is way better. Bama is a worse matchup for us to run on than AM was. We’re going to need to steal some points on defense or special teams, which we are 100% capable of doing. Obviously….don’t beat ourselves with penalties and turnovers, especially if playing from behind.
 
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Peyton_ManThing said:
There is a reason this coaching staff has called 1,000 bubble screens this season.. because its the only quick pass Joe can remotely complete on a regular basis. There is a reason they aren't running many slants or routes across middle of field. Joe flat out can not consistently throw an accurate ball. The only thing consistent about his slant has been it's either behind the Wr or sailed over their head. Passes that you simply can't have when running those routes. Granted I do agree about it not just being Joe.. Wr's haven't exactly been consistent either but main issue is Joe and it's not even close.
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If you understand the basics of the air raid offense, then you would know that one of the first priciples is to widen the field and throw the screen passes to keep defenders out of the box. It is a plus to hit the deep ball once you get the defenders frustrated and attacking the short pass. Our problem is that the recievers do not get the separation that Hyatt would get. One part of that I don't understand is that the original air raid developed by Mummy and Leach had two backs with one of the backs used for pass pro and the other back in routes. With the depth we have a running back, I think that would be very effective.
 
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sjt18 said:
A&M definitely has a coaching and confidence/trust issue. No doubt about that.

I don't think it is just on paper though. As individual performers, A&M has outstanding players. Bama has problems on their OL right now. A&M is no worse than equal on the D front. A&M's skill players are better. I would even say that Johnson is better than Milroe.

I would contend that man by man A&M has better players... but it does take coaching to pull that together.
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I sure hope that's right because A&M was very beatable. If it weren't for some bad UT mistakes and penalties we would have won handily. We really need Milton to show up like he did against Clemson.
 
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utfantilidie said:
All I've read online is how they have the edge, but what I see when comparing Tennessee and Alabama games this year that I have watched, is Tennessee defense better than anyone in the country, a qb limiting his mistakes, and a running back core that is second to none. Compared to what I see of Alabama, is an old man, probably coaching too long by now, throwing a hissy fit when his qb messes up, then I see the qb running just like a running back, because Saban wants the victory at any cost. We shut down the qb running or keep it in check, we win. We can do that, no doubt.
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Vega$ believes Bama has “The Edge” and Vega$ is seldom way wrong. Can we do a VN group Zoom mtg vigil tonight? Vols Gonna need Jesus out there on the field to edge out Bama and Vega$. Go Vols
 
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utfantilidie said:
All I've read online is how they have the edge, but what I see when comparing Tennessee and Alabama games this year that I have watched, is Tennessee defense better than anyone in the country, a qb limiting his mistakes, and a running back core that is second to none. Compared to what I see of Alabama, is an old man, probably coaching too long by now, throwing a hissy fit when his qb messes up, then I see the qb running just like a running back, because Saban wants the victory at any cost. We shut down the qb running or keep it in check, we win. We can do that, no doubt.
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Their QB can complete a forward pass. That’s already a + 1.
 
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Snapper58 said:
If you understand the basics of the air raid offense, then you would know that one of the first priciples is to widen the field and throw the screen passes to keep defenders out of the box. It is a plus to hit the deep ball once you get the defenders frustrated and attacking the short pass. Our problem is that the recievers do not get the separation that Hyatt would get. One part of that I don't understand is that the original air raid developed by Mummy and Leach had two backs with one of the backs used for pass pro and the other back in routes. With the depth we have a running back, I think that would be very effective.
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Agreed. With the depth/talent we have at Rb position I wouldn't mind occasionally seeing a 2 back set. Another thing I'd like to see is a hb screen... it seems that for some reason or another we haven't utilized that at all. You would think it would be easy and beneficial for Joe for a couple of those called each game.
 
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Peyton_ManThing said:
No doubt I understand our scheme.. and much of the presnap alignment by the defense dictates run or pass.. but understand this NOTHING we have done this year offensively would suggest Milton or the WR's are capable of consistently playing throw and catch. Saban will make Joe and the WR's prove they can beat their DB's before he sits back and lets us gash them with the run.
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Yes the pre snap defense alignment dictates if we run or pass but our formation dictates the defensive alignment. So yeah if we bring guys in tight that brings defenders into the box but if we spread it out like we normally do we get the numbers no matter what. Go read Saban's breakdown of the upcoming game. He saying the exact samething Im saying. It ain't about if Saban thinks Joe can't beat him, u still have to match 4 with 4 bro. Nobody is putting 1 DB on a side with 2 WR's so they can play the run. The splits are too far out for that. So he doesn't have to play pitch and catch. He can simply toss the screen which he is deadly accurate at. I'll say it again, for Bama to stop us they have to kick our ass across the board up front or jump out to a big lead.
 
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The mobility of the bama QB will give us problems that we didn't have to deal with in the A&M game.

We could--and should--get a lot more out of Milton running the ball. The guy is 240 pounds and can run--but he's got to be able to read plays and make good, quick decisions. He's not really shown that he can do that--see the 4th and 2 in the A&M game when we rolled him right, our receivers were not open and practically out of bounds, and he had enough room to tuck the ball and plow forward for the first down, and instead he throws the ball out of bounds. His size and decent or better mobility should be a significant asset---but we haven't seen enough of it. I think we should call more runs with him. Hell, Florida won two national titles with Tebow, who pretty much kept the ball and ran anytime they had 3rd/4th down and 2 yards or less--maybe even 3. He's a physical freak--take advantage of it.
 
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Alabama gets the benefit of the doubt from most people because of what they have done. Until the Vols win consistently (50% over several years) and/or Alabama loses a lot of games that they normally would have won in the past, then they will still get the edge going in. Every year and every game is different, so anyone can beat anyone else any week, but until the Vols prove it time and again, it's just hope.
 
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turbovol said:
The mobility of the bama QB will give us problems that we didn't have to deal with in the A&M game.

We could--and should--get a lot more out of Milton running the ball. The guy is 240 pounds and can run--but he's got to be able to read plays and make good, quick decisions. He's not really shown that he can do that--see the 4th and 2 in the A&M game when we rolled him right, our receivers were not open and practically out of bounds, and he had enough room to tuck the ball and plow forward for the first down, and instead he throws the ball out of bounds. His size and decent or better mobility should be a significant asset---but we haven't seen enough of it. I think we should call more runs with him. Hell, Florida won two national titles with Tebow, who pretty much kept the ball and ran anytime they had 3rd/4th down and 2 yards or less--maybe even 3. He's a physical freak--take advantage of it.
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Johnson had a helluva scramble/run for a TD on 3rd and long
 
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utfantilidie said:
All I've read online is how they have the edge, but what I see when comparing Tennessee and Alabama games this year that I have watched, is Tennessee defense better than anyone in the country, a qb limiting his mistakes, and a running back core that is second to none. Compared to what I see of Alabama, is an old man, probably coaching too long by now, throwing a hissy fit when his qb messes up, then I see the qb running just like a running back, because Saban wants the victory at any cost. We shut down the qb running or keep it in check, we win. We can do that, no doubt.
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From what I've noticed it Milroy doesn't hit a long ball then Alabama doesn't march downfield very well. I don't see them having success running the football on us. I do think we run it on them.
 
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CAVPUT said:
While I agree that our defensive front vs the bama OL will be in our favor, the x factor is how well Milroe is able to run. His legs, if healthy, can negate our advantage up front to a degree. If he's mobile enough and we don't contain, he can extend plays and that is a concern with our secondary. Milroe might not be a guy who can read and utilize all 3 levels in the passing game, but he's certainly had some success with the deep ball and that worries me in this one.
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It’s close but Milroe is a better QB than Milton. Not as flashy, but runs better and can accurately through a deep ball when he was to.
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utfantilidie said:
All I've read online is how they have the edge, but what I see when comparing Tennessee and Alabama games this year that I have watched, is Tennessee defense better than anyone in the country, a qb limiting his mistakes, and a running back core that is second to none. Compared to what I see of Alabama, is an old man, probably coaching too long by now, throwing a hissy fit when his qb messes up, then I see the qb running just like a running back, because Saban wants the victory at any cost. We shut down the qb running or keep it in check, we win. We can do that, no doubt.
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Statistically, we're almost mirror images of each other. SHOULD be a good game, but who knows how this team plays on the road. Florida was a disaster, but usually is for whatever reason.

Trying not to get my Hope's up, but the closer we get to Saturday, the more confident I get we escape with a win.
 
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BreatheUT said:
From what I've noticed it Milroy doesn't hit a long ball then Alabama doesn't march downfield very well. I don't see them having success running the football on us. I do think we run it on them.
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I think he's over 60% on the long balls (20+ yards). That could be what does us in, if anything. On the other hand, their o line has been horrible. Let's hope the d line eats.
 
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