I really believe we go Bowling this Season!!

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Boca Vol said:
I really think the "extra" practice time for a bowl game, especially a low-tier bowl game, is vastly over-rated. Unless you're going to bench all the Seniors and play the younger players by giving them the most reps with the 1's then what are you really accomplishing?

For example, do you bench Worley in favor of Peterman or Dobbs? If not, how much better are those 2 getting in bowl practice? It's December, it's cold, and the team has gone through a brutal SEC schedule.

Look no further than Vandy. I know they changed coaches and all but they did win a bowl game last year and they flat out suck this season.
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Everybody on the team gets an extra month of practice and an additional game, which is very VERY helpful!!! :dance2::dance2:


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STOP this bowling madness!! Seriously, we have one huge game in front of us this weekend and that is what counts. We beat two nobody's - big whooooop.

Every Tennessee fan wants to go bowling. End of thread.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I really think the "extra" practice time for a bowl game, especially a low-tier bowl game, is vastly over-rated. Unless you're going to bench all the Seniors and play the younger players by giving them the most reps with the 1's then what are you really accomplishing?

For example, do you bench Worley in favor of Peterman or Dobbs? If not, how much better are those 2 getting in bowl practice? It's December, it's cold, and the team has gone through a brutal SEC schedule.

Look no further than Vandy. I know they changed coaches and all but they did win a bowl game last year and they flat out suck this season.
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Agree with you often but not this time.

You don't usually bench all of the Srs but seldom is the majority of your team or even starters seniors. All of your returning players get extra reps. Sometimes EE's can practice with the team in December.

There is sufficient time between the last game and the bowl game for a lot of healing... and there are VERY few cold weather bowl games.

And maybe most importantly, you have the perception of recruits, media, and fans. For UT right now, it is all about direction. A bowl would universally be seen as a step in the right direction. If UT can pick off a couple they aren't expected to win and get to 8... then they'll get an opportunity to play a 9 or 10 win team that's beatable.

Making a bowl this year is VERY important to Jones' future and the near term future of the program.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I really think the "extra" practice time for a bowl game, especially a low-tier bowl game, is vastly over-rated. Unless you're going to bench all the Seniors and play the younger players by giving them the most reps with the 1's then what are you really accomplishing?

For example, do you bench Worley in favor of Peterman or Dobbs? If not, how much better are those 2 getting in bowl practice? It's December, it's cold, and the team has gone through a brutal SEC schedule.

Look no further than Vandy. I know they changed coaches and all but they did win a bowl game last year and they flat out suck this season.
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Are you kidding me? It can be around 15 extra practices. That's a huge difference for a team that is building for the future.

Nicole Auerbach: The upside of a bowl game nobody's talking about - The Michigan Daily

Not really UT football but a coach talking about the importance of those extra practices.
 
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Us v Memphis would be so unfair for a bowl game. 50+ point win
 
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DaddyChad said:
Why are we not counting UK in the win column as a given?
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What? Didn't you see them hammer FCS UTM? Didn't you see their "impressive" 20-3 win over that powerhouse Ohio Bobcat team?

I mean their QB is 4th in the SEC in passing... well, until you take out the FCS schools... then he's 11th.

All sarcasm aside. UK is improved. But their ceiling is still not very high.
 
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sjt18 said:
Agree with you often but not this time.

You don't usually bench all of the Srs but seldom is the majority of your team or even starters seniors. All of your returning players get extra reps. Sometimes EE's can practice with the team in December.

There is sufficient time between the last game and the bowl game for a lot of healing... and there are VERY few cold weather bowl games.

And maybe most importantly, you have the perception of recruits, media, and fans. For UT right now, it is all about direction. A bowl would universally be seen as a step in the right direction. If UT can pick off a couple they aren't expected to win and get to 8... then they'll get an opportunity to play a 9 or 10 win team that's beatable.

Making a bowl this year is VERY important to Jones' future and the near term future of the program.
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I agree that making a bowl game is important. That's not what we're discussing. All I said, was that the importance of the extra practice time for a bowl game is over-rated.

It all depends on the team and their motivation. If UT is 6-6 then I promise you they won't be in a warm and sunny bowl destination. It will be Memphis, Nashville, or B'ham. Plus, a majority of the bowl prep will be in Knoxville. It will be pretty cold.

Back to depending on the team and the motivation. The 2010 team acted like they wanted to be in Nashville whereas the 2009 team didn't bother to show up in Atlanta.

People ripped on Bray in 2011 for what he said about playing in a crappy bowl and I promise you other players think that, especially when the season doesn't turn out like you had hoped. Fortunately or unfortunately, any bowl game is a welcome site for UT and the fans.
 
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Ace said:
Many people care who we play. Maybe you do not, but some people do. But I guess, if we do not agree with you it is stupid.

As much as I want to see us go to a bowl, I do not want to waste my hard earned money to go watch Memphis.

I also hate seeing us play teams like Chattanooga. I know all FBS teams play FCS teams, but I wish it would stop. The SEC was a laughing stock this weekend with all the blowout, cupcake games.
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The big 10 was the laughing stock since they lost just about every game they played vs non conf opponents. They played better teams, but still lost. If someone wants to laugh at the SEC, go ahead!
 
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DaddyChad said:
Are you kidding me? It can be around 15 extra practices. That's a huge difference for a team that is building for the future.

Nicole Auerbach: The upside of a bowl game nobody's talking about - The Michigan Daily

Not really UT football but a coach talking about the importance of those extra practices.
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That article sort of proves my point. On paper, it looks good. In reality, how much did it help Michigan?

I'm not downplaying UT going to a bowl. This program needs that in 2014. Any bowl!
 
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Boca Vol said:
I agree that making a bowl game is important. That's not what we're discussing. All I said, was that the importance of the extra practice time for a bowl game is over-rated.

It all depends on the team and their motivation. If UT is 6-6 then I promise you they won't be in a warm and sunny bowl destination. It will be Memphis, Nashville, or B'ham. Plus, a majority of the bowl prep will be in Knoxville. It will be pretty cold.

Back to depending on the team and the motivation. The 2010 team acted like they wanted to be in Nashville whereas the 2009 team didn't bother to show up in Atlanta.

People ripped on Bray in 2011 for what he said about playing in a crappy bowl and I promise you other players think that, especially when the season doesn't turn out like you had hoped. Fortunately or unfortunately, any bowl game is a welcome site for UT and the fans.
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I've had and still have some doubts about the staff but I honestly do not see a Jones coached team being unappreciative of the opportunity to play in a bowl.

Any practice rep you can get is valuable and even more so for a young team. Not sure how you can believe that the equivalent of an extra spring wouldn't benefit this team.

Bray was an ungrateful punk. Physically gifted with the maturity of a spoiled 8 year old. I strongly suspect that Jones will have a very low tolerance for anyone who doesn't appreciate every opportunity to take a practice or game snap regardless of whether it is a low profile bowl or the NC game.

My remaining questions relate to gameday. He's answered my other concerns... and particularly his ability to manage and lead his team.


PS- I live in Missouri and work outside a good bit. None of the places you mentioned are very cold in December.
 
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sjt18 said:
I've had and still have some doubts about the staff but I honestly do not see a Jones coached team being unappreciative of the opportunity to play in a bowl.

Any practice rep you can get is valuable and even more so for a young team. Not sure how you can believe that the equivalent of an extra spring wouldn't benefit this team.

Bray was an ungrateful punk. Physically gifted with the maturity of a spoiled 8 year old. I strongly suspect that Jones will have a very low tolerance for anyone who doesn't appreciate every opportunity to take a practice or game snap regardless of whether it is a low profile bowl or the NC game.

My remaining questions relate to gameday. He's answered my other concerns... and particularly his ability to manage and lead his team.


PS- I live in Missouri and work outside a good bit. None of the places you mentioned are very cold in December.
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It depends. It certainly can't hurt, but being the equivalent of an extra Spring practice is way over-stated...and that's my point.
 
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For UT to go bowling they will have to avoid major injuries and will need several young player to step up. To early in the season to know at this point......
 
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gogators13 said:
For UT to go bowling they will have to avoid major injuries and will need several young player to step up. To early in the season to know at this point......
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I think the young players are already stepping up and will be improved by then end of the season with playing time.

...But injuries can cost any team wins. UT has really had bad luck with injuries in the last few years and they are thin in a lot of areas.
 
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The article listed mentioned early enrolls getting to have 15 practices. If Tennessee gets to a bowl game maybe players like Mckenzie could see practice?
 
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Everyone needs to develop an athletes mentality: the last play was in the past, forget about it. That goes with games we win ugly and games we lose. They r in the past, now move on to this week. If we have that mentality we have the edge and nothing can affect us from climbing to the top and being patient while doing so. This will be a hard fought emotional game
 
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gogators13 said:
For UT to go bowling they will have to avoid major injuries and will need several young player to step up. To early in the season to know at this point......
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Nope. UT only has to beat the 6 teams on their schedule where they have a pretty clear talent advantage: USU, ASU, Chatt, UK, Vandy, and Mizzou. Everyone has injuries including those teams. Unless UT has something akin to UGA last year... they'll enter each of those games with more talent on the field.

IMO, if they avoid injury and have unexpected contributions from young players then it puts Ole Miss, USCe, and possible UF in play. Odds are very long on Bama, UGA, and OU at this point.
 
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Volview said:
I think the young players are already stepping up and will be improved by then end of the season with playing time.

...But injuries can cost any team wins. UT has really had bad luck with injuries in the last few years and they are thin in a lot of areas.
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That is always given as a potential reason/excuse. It can be a legitimate reason. UGA was crushed by injuries last year. Mizzou had critical injuries the year prior. But the teams UT has a roster advantage on now will experience injuries too. You can rightly say that some teams fill in for injured players better than others... but Mizzou doesn't have more players standing ready to step in than UT this year... they have fewer. USCe? Probably not. Vandy, UK? No. Ole Miss? Really depends on which players.... just like it does with UT.

Only a few teams are deep enough to not worry about injuries. Bama typically is but may not be this year. UGA or Auburn probably come the closest this year but UGA is fairly thin in the secondary.
 
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sjt18 said:
Nope. UT only has to beat the 6 teams on their schedule where they have a pretty clear talent advantage: USU, ASU, Chatt, UK, Vandy, and Mizzou. Everyone has injuries including those teams. Unless UT has something akin to UGA last year... they'll enter each of those games with more talent on the field.

IMO, if they avoid injury and have unexpected contributions from young players then it puts Ole Miss, USCe, and possible UF in play. Odds are very long on Bama, UGA, and OU at this point.
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Yes, everyone has injuries but UT is thin on both sides of the line and has some depth issues. Few more injuries to linemen would put UT behind the eight ball. I think you might be stretching it a little by thinking that UT has more talent than Mizz. Using the phrase "only has to beat" is always easier said than done..... :)
 
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gogators13 said:
Yes, everyone has injuries but UT is thin on both sides of the line and has some depth issues. Few more injuries to linemen would put UT behind the eight ball. I think you might be stretching it a little by thinking that UT has more talent than Mizz. Using the phrase "only has to beat" is always easier said than done..... :)
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Nope. Not a stretch AT ALL. Take a look at their roster. They have a good system and staff. Much of their success over the years has stemmed from them outcoaching opponents or beating them with their system. They are NOT extraordinarily talented by any stretch of the imagination and especially not after the losses they had from last year's team.

I'm sure you got the news that their best D player just got cut from the Rams, right? They had 4 players drafted from a senior laden team (not counting DGB who was also lost).

Mizzou returns the fewest starters and lettermen of any team in the SEC. NO ONE... is any thinner in quality players than they are.
 
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