I really don't mean to sound racist . . . .

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#126
I don't think it's appropriate to classify Muslims as a homegeneous culture.

And if, like many here propose, all these people want to do is die, I don't understand how threats of force against them give us any sort of competitive advantage.
 
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#127
volsforever27 said:
OK, you're the PUSA and you're in front of the leader of Iran.. what would you say, since I'm oversimplifying it?
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Well, that would depend entirely on the time, purpose of the meeting and the contemporaneous political climate. This is not really a question one can answer in a theoretical setting on a message board. However I know two things:

1) It would involve an excruciating amount of research and

2) Its substance would be far too long and too complex for me to set out in this window in the period of time I have available to me.

I can't imagine any sane leader going in there and just saying "let's play nice." As I've said, that is an incredible and unjustified oversimplification.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Well, that would depend entirely on the time, purpose of the meeting and the contemporaneous political climate. This is not really a question one can answer in a theoretical setting on a message board. However I know two things:

1) It would involve an excruciating amount of research and

2) Its substance would be far too long and too complex for me to set out in this window in the period of time I have available to me.

I can't imagine any sane leader going in there and just saying "let's play nice." As I've said, that is an incredible and unjustified oversimplification.
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Well, since I'm so good at over simplifying, let me simplify it even further for you... how do you reason with someone who is in the league of Hitler? Who was in part responsible for the kidnapping of the Americans... who's stated on numerous occasions his goal is to wipe Isreal off the face of the map... who said the holocaust didn't happen?
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
I don't think it's appropriate to classify Muslims as a homegeneous culture.

And if, like many here propose, all these people want to do is die, I don't understand how threats of force against them give us any sort of competitive advantage.
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I do not believe Alexander nor Hammurabi were ever in Malaysia or Indonesia so I did not lump all Muslims together.

I also never said they all want to die. I only said that it is the only thing they respect.

If you learn anything from the entire history of that region even you are going to have to admit that they do not respect dialogue. They view it as being weak.
 
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#130
"They" as a collective term is overboard if you intend to include all types of Muslims, in their various degress of political liberation and tolerance. Some are open to dialogue, some aren't. "They" aren't all the same, so to say that "they" are closed to dialogue is misguided.
 
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#131
For everyone that keeps asking us Obama supporters why we like him and what policies we like I have a question. Who would you choose as President and what policies do you like about them? The reason I ask is because I don't understand why Obama supporters have to explain over and over why they back him yet no one else does. I have already wrote a page about why I support the guy but everyone keeps asking. I don't know anything about the deer in headlights claim I hear about.
 
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#132
volsforever27 said:
Well, since I'm so good at over simplifying, let me simplify it even further for you... how do you reason with someone who is in the league of Hitler? Who was in part responsible for the kidnapping of the Americans... who's stated on numerous occasions his goal is to wipe Isreal off the face of the map... who said the holocaust didn't happen?
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A basic premise of negotiation is that you don't have to share the other side's opinions in order to engage them in conversation and come to a mutually agreeable solution, incorporating comprimise on both sides.
 
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#133
The "deer in headlights" analogy was referring to the undecided voters that seem to always trend toward whoever gives the best stump speech in every election.
 
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#134
the only way we should engage in negotiations with the nuts in question is for them to show some semblance of rationality AND any reason for us to believe anything they might agree to.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
"They" as a collective term is overboard if you intend to include all types of Muslims, in their various degress of political liberation and tolerance. Some are open to dialogue, some aren't. "They" aren't all the same, so to say that "they" are closed to dialogue is misguided.
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Go look at my posts and you will not see me reference Muslims at all. They, being the Persian/Afghan region, which is what everyone on here is talking about, Obama talking to Iran.

And I am sure you are correct that in that region we could find a person willing to have open dialogue. Unfortunately you will not find them in a leadership role.

The instant we as a nation believe anything that comes from dialogue with that region is the day we become the dumbest suckers on the planet. It is rooted in their culture to backtrack and misinterpret talks, its one of the main reasons they have so much infighting over there.
 
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#136
Right, killing them is better. Killing has been known to have a 100% success rate in preventing those being killed from hating their killers and from perpetrating retaliatory acts against them.:good!:
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Right, killing them is better. Killing has been known to have a 100% success rate in preventing those being killed from hating their killers and from perpetrating retaliatory acts against them.:good!:
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As a matter of fact, that type dilemma is what led to Alexanders ultimate solution to their problems.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
A basic premise of negotiation is that you don't have to share the other side's opinions in order to engage them in conversation and come to a mutually agreeable solution, incorporating comprimise on both sides.
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Not agreeing with their opinions is one thing, lunacy is another. If you want to try to reason with Charles Manson, please invite me along and I'll videotape the results. As stated earlier, you can only reason with the people who are capable of reason, not genocide and/or lunacy.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Right, killing them is better. Killing has been known to have a 100% success rate in preventing those being killed from hating their killers and from perpetrating retaliatory acts against them.:good!:
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Yeah they rammed planes into the WTC because we simply didn't try to reason with them. Ugh. :banghead2:
 
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