I repeat: The ACC blows

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Been saying it for two years, now. The BCS should withdraw the auto bid for a BCS bowl game that goes to the winner of the ACC. Give it to someone, anyone, more deserving.

Miami is probably the best they have this year and they could not beat tOSU, which is 0-for-life against the SEC.
 
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big east is worse and the SEC isn't exactly tearing it up. . .
 
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droski said:
big east is worse and the SEC isn't exactly tearing it up. . .
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I was basing that on the history of success since the BCS evolved, and more particularly the last 5 years. That, plus the fact that the ACC has in the last 2-3 years routinely been losing games that, while not of the Michigan-App State level, are getting darn close. And the fact that they are seemingly sinking even further relative to the rest of the football playing world is a part of it, as well.

The Big East,too? You might be right. But the ACC losses to marginal-at-best teams over the last few years have really been pretty significant. The most recent of course is a ranked Va. Tech team losing to James Madison.
 
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droski said:
big east is worse and the SEC isn't exactly tearing it up. . .
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but the SEC has always maintained at least a couple of behemoths at the top. Middle tier has shuffled, but generally been there and can compete nationally. Outfits like LSU are just loaded and bogged down with weak QB and weak coaching. ACC can't say that. Talent isn't there and coaching is a wasteland. Couple quality guys, but unknowns or also rans trying to make it work.

There is just no reason, given the geography, that the ACC should suck this way. Not trying to paint the SEC as something it isn't, but on a relative basis, it's like the NFL.
 
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I was refering to this year when it comes to the SEC, but I agree. No reason why North Carolina, Miami, and Florida State shouldn't be better. Big East definetly doesn't have the same geographic advantages.
 
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droski said:
I was refering to this year when it comes to the SEC, but I agree. No reason why North Carolina, Miami, and Florida State shouldn't be better. Big East definetly doesn't have the same geographic advantages.
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SECe doesn't appear as tough as typical, but the West picked up some of the slack. LSU has QB issues, but they are freaking loaded. Arky can play. Auburn is talented with QB issues. I don't think the SEC is a wasteland. Probably still the best conference, even with some its name programs struggling. Big 12 is iffy in a big way. Pac-10 appears to be shaky, even with Stanford nosing forward.

Hell, I'm not sure any of the conferences is very good. Dominant type teams just don't appear to be out there or concentrated.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Hell, I'm not sure any of the conferences is very good.
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This sums it up for me.

I don't see a conference in the country that really stands out. And there aren't more than 2 or 3 teams nationally that really impress me.

It's a down year for college football.
 
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alabama is good. No other team would have a prayer of winning the pac-10 or the big-12.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
This sums it up for me.

I don't see a conference in the country that really stands out. And there aren't more than 2 or 3 teams nationally that really impress me.

It's a down year for college football.
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And yet at the same time, Boise State doesn't deserve a shot...

This is the year they DO, imo. If they run the table and there aren't two undefeated majors.
 
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IPorange said:
And yet at the same time, Boise State doesn't deserve a shot...

This is the year they DO, imo. If they run the table and there aren't two undefeated majors.
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absolutely not. They want a shot, do what the beauty contest requires. If they can't, so be it. Right now they've beaten a clearly weak VT team and will not play another good team all year. If they're serious about it, they can quit demanding big paychecks to play other teams.
 
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IPorange said:
And yet at the same time, Boise State doesn't deserve a shot...

This is the year they DO, imo. If they run the table and there aren't two undefeated majors.
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If vtech is as bad as the look they don't deserve it over a 1 loss team from the pac-10, big-12, or SEC. we'll see how they do against oregon state (though oregon state sucks balls in nonconference road games and didn't exactly look spectacular against TCU).
 
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droski said:
alabama is good. No other team would have a prayer of winning the pac-10 or the big-12.
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UF would. Has more talent than any team in those two conferences. They haven't pieced it together yet, but you can see it there. Lack of run D actually wouldn't hurt them in either of those conferences. If fact, they'd probably have the best one in both.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
UF would. Has more talent than any team in those two conferences. They haven't pieced it together yet, but you can see it there. Lack of run D actually wouldn't hurt them in either of those conferences. If fact, they'd probably have the best one in both.
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i've watched both of their games. They lose 3 or 4 unless they figure out how to score without the big play or their D becomes elite overnight. obviously they have a boatload of talent, but they are very young. Meyer has something like 11 true freshmen in the two deep. Not a recipe for winning road games.
 
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droski said:
i've watched both of their games. They lose 3 or 4 unless they figure out how to score without the big play or their D becomes elite overnight. obviously they have a boatload of talent, but they are very young. Meyer has something like 11 true freshmen in the two deep. Not a recipe for winning road games.
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but Big 12 is soft. NE is overrated by about 4 miles. TX has limited O and OU is probably best team out there.

I think UF's team can figure it out and that their D would be the best in either of those conferences, especially as the season wears on. They clearly have coordinators trying to piece it together, but they have size and wheels everywhere.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
absolutely not. They want a shot, do what the beauty contest requires. If they can't, so be it. Right now they've beaten a clearly weak VT team and will not play another good team all year. If they're serious about it, they can quit demanding big paychecks to play other teams.
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I thought the Pac 10 was the greatest conference in the land? Oregon State will be in the top half of that pile. There's a chance for a good win there.

Not to mention they have essentially the same team that didn't lose a game all of last year, either...
 
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IPorange said:
I thought the Pac 10 was the greatest conference in the land? Oregon State will be in the top half of that pile. There's a chance for a good win there.

Not to mention they have essentially the same team that didn't lose a game all of last year, either...
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I don't think the Pac 10 is the greatest in the land. Beating a top half outfit in no way warrants title game inclusion.

They also didn't beat anything last year unless you consider the TCU game with nothing on the line a big win.

I have issue not only with the schedule, but they don't come out and play in a big pressure game with a team capable of playing with them, ever. Do something worthy of leaping over teams that play big games against solid opposition and I'm all for inclusion.

They're happier bellyaching and getting attention for the game than they are actually having to play the top teams to get to the dance. They actually couldn't be in a better situation. Admit anyone to play, keep beating Sonoma State Engine Repair like schoolgirls and argue that your record is unblemished and you deserve inclusion. It's perfect.
 
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IPorange said:
I thought the Pac 10 was the greatest conference in the land? Oregon State will be in the top half of that pile. There's a chance for a good win there.
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It actually is a chance for a decent win. But it looks pretty pathetic when it's the best victory on your schedule.

All other national championship contenders have to go through 4 or 5 Oregon States per year.
 
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IPorange said:
I thought the Pac 10 was the greatest conference in the land? Oregon State will be in the top half of that pile. There's a chance for a good win there.

Not to mention they have essentially the same team that didn't lose a game all of last year, either...
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oregon state has a first year starter and a lot of question marks on defense. i wouldn't call it a great win since it's a home game. unless oregon state goes on to win the conference. even if they do finishin the top half of the pac-10, it's hardly a victory that makes one worthy of the bcs championship game.
 
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These are all great insights you all are posting and I agree with most of them.

As to ACC football, I think the expectation when FSU and Miami got lured in was that they would cause the rest of the conference to rise to their level. And for a few years teams like Maryland and NC State seemed to perk up. Even the Tar Heels managed a good team once or twice, IIRC.

Prior to that Ga. Tech would occassionally show up on the national radar screen. Usually until they would get obliterated by UGA.

But by and large the addition of FSU and Miami to that conference has seen the entire conference just get completely marginalized by the SEC, which geographically is literally up the street from these other schools.

I don't see it changing any time soon.
 
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