I still say Vols must beat Ole Miss in Oxford Wed AND win first SEC tourney game to #1

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VolGee4 said:
Comparable records don’t matter with unbalanced schedules- it’s who you play and beat. We have 10 Q1 wins over your 6. We have non conference wins at Louisville, at Illinois, and neutral to Baylor. Based on the NET and KP, those 3 are better than any one UF non conference win.

Sure, if you just want to use one game, then Auburn win it is (we lost by 2 there). But they evaluate the entire resume. Again, people will try to justify their opinion, but we clearly have the better resume.
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We without question have the better resume.
If we counted Florida's Quad 2 wins as 1's, even then they just barely nudge us out.
SOS and number of Quad 1 wins matter.
Those Q1 wins aren't easy to come by.
 
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99gator said:
Well, where I am different is....does it really matter? With the exception of being closer to home.

What I mean is, If Houston is the 1 in the midwest region and Florida is the 2......is that so different that Florida being the 1 seed in the midwest region and Houston being the 2?

That's why I keep mentioning wanting to see the bracket. Depending on the draw, I'd rather play the winner of the 7-10 game than the 8-9 in order to get to the Sweet Sixteen.

Someone is going to get a Kansas or UConn in the 2nd round and won't be happy about it.
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I had that same thought process last year until I saw UNC’s draw vs ours. Had we been in UNC’s spot I’m confident we would’ve made the F4. Instead, as the 5 seed we got the 2 seed and Jolly Green Giant in the E8. Plus, 1 seeds make the F4 twice as often as 2 seeds. I’ve changed my mind on this subject and now believe it does matter. I also thought that maybe parody has made it so being a 1 doesn’t matter as much but even if you look at the last 10 tournaments, being a 1 is still way better than being a 2. It’s not remotely close.
 
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99gator said:
Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe if there is a 3 way tie in the standings (Florida, Alabama, Tennessee), Florida would get the 2 seed because of their win against Auburn.

I don't know where Tennessee and Alabama would fall.

Some of y'all may know the answer
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It would start with our record against each other before going to the records against each seed.
 
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lawgator1 said:
We have comparable records, split blow outs with you, and we have the marquis, convincing win over the #1 team, on the road. You can't really complain if we end up with the #1 seed over you.
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I think it would be us by the narrowest of margins over you but I absolutely would not complain. While we’ve played a slightly tougher schedule, if you all do win at Bama, you’ll have 2 better road wins than any of ours. You guys have as good a chance of cutting down the nets as anyone this year. I don’t like you all as a rival but I sure do respect you. Y’all have a helluva team this year.
 
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Delmar said:
Agree. I think they will use any excuse they can to not put in 3 SEC teams as #1 seeds.
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Why would they have three #1 seeds from the same conference in other years but not this year? Do you have that much of an inferiority complex or perceived national bias against the SEC? #BVS
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
I agee. It matters a ton who is projected as the #1 seed when the season ends.
Especially this year since we were a projected #1 seed when the 16 were revealed.
If we are that when the seson ends will be awful hard to take us off that line at that point.
Win one game in the tournament and I'd be willing to bet it's a done deal for us.

Right now all focus must go into beating Old Piss.
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The Selection Committee’s seed reveal isn’t a projection, it’s based on “where things stand if the tournament started today.” We were the top #2 seed that day and haven’t lost since, but teams ahead of us have. I believe we’re a #1 seed if the final bracket was revealed today.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I think it would be us by the narrowest of margins over you but I absolutely would not complain. While we’ve played a slightly tougher schedule, if you all do win at Bama, you’ll have 2 better road wins than any of ours. You guys have as good a chance of cutting down the nets as anyone this year. I don’t like you all as a rival but I sure do respect you. Y’all have a helluva team this year.
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Same here.

And of course we all know that our teams are entirely capable of being asleep at the switch for an hour or so at the wrong time !
 
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VolCalls said:
The Selection Committee’s seed reveal isn’t a projection, it’s based on “where things stand if the tournament started today.” We were the top #2 seed that day and haven’t lost since, but teams ahead of us have. I believe we’re a #1 seed if the final bracket was revealed today.
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You mean it isn't set in stone?
Yeah, no kidding.....It's projection was based on 'if the season ended now'.
I think what you mean is it isn't a necessary 'prediction'.

In any event, my point was we were given some nice credit for our schedule, wins, and play at that point. Many projected Houston ahead of us if you remember.
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
You mean it isn't set in stone?
Yeah, no kidding.....It's projection was based on 'if the season ended now'.
I think what you mean is it isn't a necessary 'prediction'.

In any event, my point was we were given some nice credit for our schedule, wins, and play at that point. Many projected Houston ahead of us if you remember.
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A projection is an estimate or forecast of something in the future, which is not what the reveal was.
 
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THEONLYTENISEE said:
Auburn and Duke are locks for 1 seeds. Houston likely gets a 1 seed because I don’t think the committee wants a bunch of SEC teams getting a 1 seed. So you got UF, Bama, and Tennessee trying to get the remaining 1 seed.
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Vols have beaten the other two in head to head. They might weigh the road loss at Florida more, though
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
Same. I won’t be shocked for them to come out flat. Hope not.
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They've been coming out slow of late. Won't be shocked if they do so against Ole Miss. At some point tho, it's going to cost them. To come this far and work so hard only to face plant with the finish line in sight would be a real blow. Don't think they can recover for a #1 seed if they stumble against one of the remaining opponents. They have to win out...just have to. Opportunities like this at UT don't grow on trees. When you get your shot, you have to make it count. Having said that, I'm cupping up.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
Thus that come into play:

Florida plays @ Alabama
Alabama plays @ Auburn
Best case is for Alabama to beat Florida and Auburn to beat Alabama.

Tennessee is 10-5 in Quad 1 games
Florida is 6-4 in Quad 1 games
Big advantage Tennessee is total Quad 1 wins and Quad 1 games played.

If Tennessee goes 2-0 they appear to be lock for #1. If they lose to Ole Miss and beat USC it will be determined by the two games above.

I don’t think SEC tourney will be a factor unless a team flames out early and one of the other two runs the table.
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Agreed! History has shown that the SEC Tournament results rarely determine seedings. I am worried about Ole Miss, being a hangover game and on the road. But, I do think Ala beats Fla, then loses at Auburn. Best scenario is, we find a way to overcome the hangover this week and win at Ole Miss. This is definitely one of those games that screams us shooting 35% from the fiels, under 30% from 3 and lucky to get 65 pts. We've all seen that team at times this year, hopefully that one doesn't show up Weds night
 
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tn4elvis said:
Supposedly the confrence tournaments have no bearing on the upper seeds in the ncaa tournament. I don’t really believe that but have heard it for years
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They were discussing this last week on sports talk. Very rarely has the SEC Tournament had any bearing on the top seeds. They know some teams don't go 100% and use it for rest. Having bigger fish to fry. I can definitely see a Vandy or Mizzou playing on Sunday. Vandy sux on the road, but are tough in that crazy looking arena of theirs.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
They were discussing this last week on sports talk. Very rarely has the SEC Tournament had any bearing on the top seeds. They know some teams don't go 100% and use it for rest. Having bigger fish to fry. I can definitely see a Vandy or Mizzou playing on Sunday. Vandy sux on the road, but are tough in that crazy looking arena of theirs.
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Unlucky for them, it’s not played in that crazy looking arena.
 
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VolCalls said:
A projection is an estimate or forecast of something in the future, which is not what the reveal was.
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My post was a little confusing, all apologies on that. I'll attempt to clarify.....

What I was trying to say was the evaluation/estimate at that point in the season wasn't necessarily a prediction of things to surely come, but there are/were things to be garnered at that point by that reveal that can allow you to have insight into the committee's minds. In particular, some thoughts about teams in regards to their future final selection.

For example, we saw that the committee is highly impressed with the SEC this year and doesn't mind a bit to put 3 #1 seeds from the same conference. Many thought that Houston with their high NET would be on that #1 seed line back in mid February, or at least ranked higher as a #2 seed.
The overall committee rankings at the time of the reveal were:

  1. Auburn Tigers
  2. Alabama Crimson Tide
  3. Duke Blue Devils
  4. Florida Gators
  5. Tennessee Volunteers
  6. Texas A&M Aggies
  7. Purdue Boilermakers
  8. Houston Cougars

Had Houston had lost any of these last several games, I don't think they are even in the committee's conversation despite having an extremely good conference and overall record. A record that could ( most likely will) wind up being better than another SEC school that also gets a #1 seed.
That reveal told Houston that by season's end you had better not end up with the same record of losses as the top 4 SEC teams if you want a shot at a #1 seed, because as we see it now, you are below all of them in terms of resume.

Similarly, it told Tennessee at #5 you are in the #1 spot/likely to grab a #1 seed if ANY of the #1 seeds happen to falter.
 
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If UT and Bama play the finals of SEC tourn, they could possibly
take the 1 seed if all teams win out (loser of Ala/Fla will be knocked out before SECT)
Ala could do payback in the SECT.
 
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orangemadam said:
If UT and Bama play the finals of SEC tourn, they could possibly
take the 1 seed if all teams win out (loser of Ala/Fla will be knocked out before SECT)
Ala could do payback in the SECT.
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Nope. Committee doesn't care about the conference tournament. They've shown that time and time again. Don't even know why we still play it.
 
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I really believe the regular season standings matter.
1. ACC - DUKE
2. B12 - HOUSTON
3. SEC - AUBURN
4. SEC - (2nd place)

As of right now:
- FL - (12-4)
- Bama - (12-4)
- TN - (11-5)

Let's say hypothetically say TN wins out beating Ole Miss and SC making our record (13-5).

The FL vs Bama matchup will dictate where we stand and which team we need to pull for Saturday.

IF FL beats BAMA:
- FL (13-4)
- TN (12-5)
-Bama (12-5)

Then we need FL to lose their last game against Ole Miss. I think we would end up getting the tie breaker over FL.

IF BAMA beats FL:
-Bama (13-4)
-TN (12-5)
-FL(12-5)

We would need AU to beat Bama and then there could be a 3 way tie at (13-5). I could be wrong but because we beat Bama and have the tie breaker over FL, we end up in 2nd.

BEING 2nd IN THE SEC is probably the last #1 SEED
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Nope. Committee doesn't care about the conference tournament. They've shown that time and time again. Don't even know why we still play it.
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I really think they should just have the teams not in NCAA tourney play the tourney and automatic teams not have to participate. It is just another attempt by the SEC and other conferences to make money. Like was stated previously seeding for NCAA is done before SEC tourney play for the most part for those teams that are guarantees for NCAA tourney.
 
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