I swear, democrats are scum! Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 85

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I can walk out of Walmart with 2-3 rifles/scopes/ammo that would be more dangerous than these for around the same price as these antiques (yeah, I said it too).
 
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lawgator1 said:
In fact, I am reading now that federal law defines antique in relation to firearms as made before 1898.


Antique guns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So whether you go by traditional dictionary definitions or federal law, it is blatantly wrong to refer to a 50 year old gun as an antique.

However, it is as I say more fun to mislead your audience of mouth-breathing idiots by calling these guns antiques.
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You're so typical, guy. When confronted with a discussion, you rush off to see what your federal overlords have to say in the matter. I'd hate to be you if civilization ever melts down.
 
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droski said:
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would this be your first choice for a getaway vehicle?
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Give me a 426 Challenger or Hemi Cuda and I'll do some damage. I won't get away but I'll have a blast in the process.
 
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lawgator1 said:
In fact, I am reading now that federal law defines antique in relation to firearms as made before 1898.


Antique guns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So whether you go by traditional dictionary definitions or federal law, it is blatantly wrong to refer to a 50 year old gun as an antique.

However, it is as I say more fun to mislead your audience of mouth-breathing idiots by calling these guns antiques.
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The first line of your article (from Wikipedia without citation) is:

An antique firearm is, loosely speaking, a firearm designed and manufactured prior to the beginning of the 20th century.
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That's not a definition.

The Federal Law I'm assuming that you're reading is regarding antiques as they pertain to gun control... not what defines an antique on the sellers market. Some of these antique rifles can take down an elephant and would never be allowed if manufactured with modern rifling techniques. Hence the need to regulate what constitutes a "collectors item" and what could be considered a real threat.
 
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lawgator1 said:
In fact, I am reading now that federal law defines antique in relation to firearms as made before 1898.


Antique guns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So whether you go by traditional dictionary definitions or federal law, it is blatantly wrong to refer to a 50 year old gun as an antique.

However, it is as I say more fun to mislead your audience of mouth-breathing idiots by calling these guns antiques.
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If you must reduce yourself to chest thumping over winning a semantics battle, so be it. I'm a gun guy and would say that I consider these types of weapons, the Garand in particular, to be better described as "vintage" as opposed to "antique".

Where you jump the shark though is this fairly ham fisted attempt to portray the mere usage of "antique" as some great mind ploy. The point being addressed is that these particular weapon types are in no way to be confused with "modern" military weapons. This is in fact an especially worthwhile delineation since they are military weapons, albeit very dated ones.

So the terminology wasn't precisely as correct as it could have been. Whatever. Trust me, you do NOT want to get into a discussion involving ignorant statements being made about firearms and their usage involving those of liberal mindset.

Listening to the average liberal try to pontificate about guns and their use is roughly akin to sitting through a book on tape of Jessica Simpson's greatest observations about thermodynamics.
 
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The STANDARD defintion of antique is 100 years or older.

Some industries or areas of collection have adopted their own definition or assigned a date such that, over time, it is commonly accepted.

Put it this way. I guarantee you that if you go into any store selling collectible guns and call an M1 antique they are going to laugh at you.
 
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hndog609 said:
If you must reduce yourself to chest thumping over winning a semantics battle, so be it. I'm a gun guy and would say that I consider these types of weapons, the Garand in particular, to be better described as "vintage" as opposed to "antique".

Where you jump the shark though is this fairly ham fisted attempt to portray the mere usage of "antique" as some great mind ploy. The point being addressed is that these particular weapon types are in no way to be confused with "modern" military weapons. This is in fact an especially worthwhile delineation since they are military weapons, albeit very dated ones.

So the terminology wasn't precisely as correct as it could have been. Whatever. Trust me, you do NOT want to get into a discussion involving ignorant statements being made about firearms and their usage involving those of liberal mindset.

Listening to the average liberal try to pontificate about guns and their use is roughly akin to sitting through a book on tape of Jessica Simpson's greatest observations about thermodynamics.
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I agree it would be better if they had said "vintage" or "50 year old" or something like that.

I absolutely 100 percent think that the use of the word "antique" in the headline was purposeful and designed to mislead and outrage people that the administration are foolish since the guns are so old they must not work anymore.

Which of course is nonsense.

But that would get in the way of the stab at the administration, and at Fox, they don't let the facts get in the way.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The STANDARD defintion of antique is 100 years or older.

Some industries or areas of collection have adopted their own definition or assigned a date such that, over time, it is commonly accepted.

Put it this way. I guarantee you that if you go into any store selling collectible guns and call an M1 antique they are going to laugh at you.
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And most of those industries are dealing with mechanical devices with designed lifetimes as I mentioned earlier. Since the exact definition is, at this point, a measure in semantics we'll throw it out.

Lets return the discussion to the ridiculous claim you made that these firearms are being blocked due to ending up on the black market. A glorified pistol (M1 Carbine) and a rifle with a smaller magazine capacity than most available rifles are of no concern. They are at least 60 years old and could easily be as old as 70.

These are collectibles and would be of no concern to anyone with ill actions in mind. If you want to compare muzzle velocity and US Army/USMC notes on the almost total ineffectiveness of the M1 Carbine outside of 50 yards, we can.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree it would be better if they had said "vintage" or "50 year old" or something like that.

I absolutely 100 percent think that the use of the word "antique" in the headline was purposeful and designed to mislead and outrage people that the administration are foolish since the guns are so old they must not work anymore.

Which of course is nonsense.

But that would get in the way of the stab at the administration, and at Fox, they don't let the facts get in the way.
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as is you going off on the word antique
 
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lawgator1 said:
I absolutely 100 percent think that the use of the word "antique" in the headline was purposeful and designed to mislead and outrage people that the administration are foolish since the guns are so old they must not work anymore.
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While we're talking "100 percent" certainties I can state I'm 100% certain the overwhelming interest in these firearms will be from collectors whose express interest in these weapons will be of a historical nature.

If you can actually get your conspiracy all turgid and erect by arguing semantics over if "vintage" is more accurate than "antique" when you can't argue it is the historical nature of the item being addressed then, like I said earlier, you've cleared the shark with room to spare.
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hndog609 said:
While we're talking "100 percent" certainties I can state I'm 100% certain the overwhelming interest in these firearms will be from collectors whose express interest in these weapons will be of a historical nature.

If you can actually get your conspiracy all turgid and erect by arguing semantics over if "vintage" is more accurate than "antique" when you can't argue it is the historical nature of the item being addressed then, like I said earlier, you've cleared the shark with room to spare.
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Aaaaaay
 
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lawgator1 said:
The STANDARD defintion of antique is 100 years or older.

Some industries or areas of collection have adopted their own definition or assigned a date such that, over time, it is commonly accepted.

Put it this way. I guarantee you that if you go into any store selling collectible guns and call an M1 antique they are going to laugh at you.
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Most of these weapons would be classified as C & R, not antiques. (your an attorney, look it up.)
 
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utvolpj said:
I can walk out of Walmart with 2-3 rifles/scopes/ammo that would be more dangerous than these for around the same price as these antiques (yeah, I said it too).
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It's the truth and that's what makes LG look so stupid.
 
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And Republicans have proven to be honest and never did anything dirty/questionable in any republican administration ever.....

Look I'm not an Obama fan at the moment but to call democrats scum is a little much...

Think about this. The last president was so bad that it didn't matter what Democrat was pushed for president, they were going to be elected. Regardless of Race, religion, gender, etc.. it didn't matter. John McCain could have inspired like Martin Luther King, been smarter than Einstein, been a War Hero, been great looking,once saved a 300 children from a burning bus, and had a squeaky clean record. THE MAJORITY OF AMERICA WAS TIRED OF THE BUSH BS AND WERE GOING TO VOTE DEMOCRAT NO MATTER WHAT.

That being said Obama's been all talk so far and I'm going into 2012 with an absolute open mind and will vote for the best candidate regardless of Party affiliation.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
And Republicans have proven to be honest and never did anything dirty/questionable in any republican administration ever.....

Look I'm not an Obama fan at the moment but to call democrats scum is a little much...

Think about this. The last president was so bad that it didn't matter what Democrat was pushed for president, they were going to be elected. Regardless of Race, religion, gender, etc.. it didn't matter. John McCain could have inspired like Martin Luther King, been smarter than Einstein, been a War Hero, been great looking,once saved a 300 children from a burning bus, and had a squeaky clean record. THE MAJORITY OF AMERICA WAS TIRED OF THE BUSH BS AND WERE GOING TO VOTE DEMOCRAT NO MATTER WHAT.

That being said Obama's been all talk so far and I'm going into 2012 with an absolute open mind and will vote for the best candidate regardless of Party affiliation.
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I agree 100% with the bold. Its a shame that people did not open their mind in the last election. Im not sure our country as a whole did that, it was time to vote for something different. Bush had his faults, hes a man.

Hope and Change are good when it the change is better. It is possible to take a situation some see as bad, and make it worse with "change". IMO that is what has happened.
 
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