I Think We Get Left OUT of Playoffs- Regardless

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volfanhill said:
None of that made any sense. PAC champ has been left out before. And the rest of what you said made no sense
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Then you don’t know **** ! Because you stated that the PAC champ has been left out before (Fine). But if you think that they will leave out a 1 lost (USC) (PAC champion) Then you don’t know **** about college football history. Ohio State loses a close game to Michigan we need to worry. PERIOD ! This is where we stand not what I want !!!
 
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VolMack——————$ said:
Then you don’t know **** ! Because you stated that the PAC champ has been left out before (Fine). But if you think that they will leave out a 1 lost (USC) (PAC champion) Then you don’t know **** about college football history. Ohio State loses a close game to Michigan we need to worry. PERIOD ! This is where we stand not what I want !!!
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USC has a tough row to run out. But if they did beat UCLA,Notre Dame and their championship game they would probably make it. I personally don’t think they will run that table. I think if Michigan loses one they are out more than likely. Worst case is if Michigan barely beats Ohio State, I could see them trying to keep OSU in the playoffs in that scenario. I still think TCU drops a game at some point. There schedule is horrible. I still like Tennessee’s odds of being in the playoff as long as we take care of our business. GBO!
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
USC has a tough row to run out. But if they did beat UCLA,Notre Dame and their championship game they would probably make it. I personally don’t think they will run that table. I think if Michigan loses one they are out more than likely. Worst case is if Michigan barely beats Ohio State, I could see them trying to keep OSU in the playoffs in that scenario. I still think TCU drops a game at some point. There schedule is horrible. I still like Tennessee’s odds of being in the playoff as long as we take care of our business. GBO!
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Exactly what I said in my upper post before this one. Other than TCU….Baylor and Iowa State i just don’t see them beating TCU. I just don’t see them choking but it would be nice. If Michigan loses I agree there oreGONE LOL
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
No I didn’t say that. You said UGA should be out (facetiously) in retort to my saying they value conference titles. I’m referring to someone like USC making it over us. The only times a team made it without even playing for their conference title was OSU in 2016 and Bama in 2017 and that’s because the other P5 conference champs had 2 losses. I think we’re better than a 1 loss USC team and more deserving based on the eye test but I also don’t put it past the committee to value a 12-1 PAC-12 champ (lost by 1 on the road) over an 11-1 UT team who didn’t make their title game.
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I am using the same argument against UGA that you are using against Tennessee. If UGA were to lose to LSU, they become a 1 loss team that did not win their conference championship. They are in the conference with a conference champ with 2 losses. And if there are 4 conference champs with 1 loss or less if the rules you are saying apply do apply, UGA should suffer the same fate as TN so top 4 are OSU/UM winner, TCU, Clemson/UNC winner, USC. All are conference champs with 1 loss or less - UGA is not.

UGA could suffer the same fate at TN and drop from 1 to #5, or possibly #6 behind LSU or worse # 7 with TN 5, LSU 6 and them at 7. There are not getting the benefit this year of playing the #3 ranked team.
 
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keepitreal2022 said:
The only way the SEC gets 2 teams in the playoffs is if the loser of the Mich/OSU game gets blown out or it's a non-competitive game.

I think the committee will give the Big 10 the same benefit of the doubt that they gave the SEC last year. Bama was 11-1 but went to the SECCG and won, and UGA was undefeated going into the game but was #1 for most of the CFP rankings. The same can be said back in 2017, Bama did not play in the SEC title game but got in with UGA. Bama was beaten by an 11-1 Auburn who was beaten by an 11-1 UGA in the SEC title game. Our biggest wins come against teams with 2 losses and our remaining schedule does not have a top-20 team left. In other words, if Mich/OSU goes into their game undefeated and plays like they did last year where the winner won by less than 10, then the loser will get the same benefit of the doubt. Let's hope the Mich/OSU game is a blowout one way or the other. I think the 4th team will be either TCU or the PAC 12 winner with 0 or 1 loss. Also, we need TCU to slip up. Baylor did not look like a world-beater today. The playoff committee would like nothing more than to have teams representing 4 out of the 5 power conferences. It's all about the money. Take your emotions out of it. Do you think they will pick us over USC and risk losing the west coast or Texas/ Southwest viewership?

OSU (#3 Mich)
UGA (#7 LSU)
Mich (#2 OSU)
USC/TCU (USC would play #9 UCLA)

btw- I think TA&M will beat LSU- Jimbo will be playing for a lot.
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Why would they give the Big 10 the same benefit of the doubt as the SEC when the Big 10 isn't good?
 
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Samatwing said:
USC has UCLA Notre Dame and Oregon left. All quality wins if they win out. Pac 12 champ with 1 loss. I think they’d be in over Vols unfortunately.
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Do they really overlook the loss to Utah? We do need GA and AL to win out so we are the one loss team with the best wins to go along with having the best loss, maybe the most points, probably the most YPG. Maybe a reasonable loss to GA could keep LSU providing value as well. One loss in the best conference in America vs one loss in the ever declining Pac12? Think that will be a hard sell, especially when they will have to drop UT down the rankings relative to USC.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'd hope we can agree that's a slim margin to cite as a difference. And again, Bama had a loss already when GA lost to them. GA still got in.

MI/tOSU will be undefeated, almost certainly, when they play and it's almost given the winner will win the B1G.

GA got in after losing to a ONE LOSS conference champion Alabama already in the top 4.

MI/tOSU will lose to an UNDEFEATED conference champion already in the top 4.

I think it's close. Looking at GA getting in last year having lost to a one loss ranked team.....vs..... MI/Ohio State having lost to an undefeated ranked team, it's hard to say it's a lock for TN.

That's just based on what happened last year.
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But they lost in a title game after going 12-0 and dominating in the best conference. They beat a 10 win (top 5 at the time) Clemson team on a neutral field, UM has nothing close to the Clemson win on their schedule this year. Their best win after PSU is Maryland by 7. UGA had dominating wins over 9 and 10 win Arkansas and UK last season.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I am using the same argument against UGA that you are using against Tennessee. If UGA were to lose to LSU, they become a 1 loss team that did not win their conference championship. They are in the conference with a conference champ with 2 losses. And if there are 4 conference champs with 1 loss or less if the rules you are saying apply do apply, UGA should suffer the same fate as TN so top 4 are OSU/UM winner, TCU, Clemson/UNC winner, USC. All are conference champs with 1 loss or less - UGA is not.

UGA could suffer the same fate at TN and drop from 1 to #5, or possibly #6 behind LSU or worse # 7 with TN 5, LSU 6 and them at 7. There are not getting the benefit this year of playing the #3 ranked team.
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Except UGA made the title game so they’re not the same as UT. You can’t say both have 1-loss and didn’t with the conference title so they’re the even. It has to be overall body and going 12-0 in the SEC regular season is better than anything Clemson would’ve done if they go 12-1 with a conference title when their conference is pathetic, same for TCU. I’m not sure where UGA even came into this to begin with. My only concern/argument/debate is in regards to USC vs. us. I’ll also say, UGA is not dropping below us if they lose in ATL. You can’t penalize a division champ, who beat us on the field because they played an extra game. My point has nothing to do with “my logic” it’s factual that the only time 1-loss non-championship game appearance teams got in was when the other P-5 champs had 2+ losses. UGA will have a SECCG appearance at minimum so if they lose and still get in they’d be the 1st to go over a 1-loss P-5 champ; but they still have a leg-up on us.
 
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keepitreal2022 said:
The only way the SEC gets 2 teams in the playoffs is if the loser of the Mich/OSU game gets blown out or it's a non-competitive game.

I think the committee will give the Big 10 the same benefit of the doubt that they gave the SEC last year. Bama was 11-1 but went to the SECCG and won, and UGA was undefeated going into the game but was #1 for most of the CFP rankings. The same can be said back in 2017, Bama did not play in the SEC title game but got in with UGA. Bama was beaten by an 11-1 Auburn who was beaten by an 11-1 UGA in the SEC title game. Our biggest wins come against teams with 2 losses and our remaining schedule does not have a top-20 team left. In other words, if Mich/OSU goes into their game undefeated and plays like they did last year where the winner won by less than 10, then the loser will get the same benefit of the doubt. Let's hope the Mich/OSU game is a blowout one way or the other. I think the 4th team will be either TCU or the PAC 12 winner with 0 or 1 loss. Also, we need TCU to slip up. Baylor did not look like a world-beater today. The playoff committee would like nothing more than to have teams representing 4 out of the 5 power conferences. It's all about the money. Take your emotions out of it. Do you think they will pick us over USC and risk losing the west coast or Texas/ Southwest viewership?

OSU (#3 Mich)
UGA (#7 LSU)
Mich (#2 OSU)
USC/TCU (USC would play #9 UCLA)

btw- I think TA&M will beat LSU- Jimbo will be playing for a lot.
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AthensVol2007 said:
A 1-loss PAC-12 champ has never been left out; which is what USC would be.
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You can't just lean on history and ignore the current climate though.

The PAC-12 has never had it's best team get beat by 46 points in the season-opener. Their next best team (Utah) got beat by a 6-4 SEC team. And their 3rd best team (UCLA) just lost to 4-6 Arizona, who lost to Mississippi State by 22 points.

The SEC has established it's dominance over the PAC-12 in 2022 like never before, which can not and WILL NOT be ignored by the committee.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
UGA will have a SECCG appearance at minimum so if they lose and still get in they’d be the 1st to go over a 1-loss P-5 champ; but they still have a leg-up on us.
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A non-conference champion 1 loss team is a non-conference champion 1 loss team. You can't say for sure that Tennessee doesn't get in over a 1 loss P-5 champ because they did not win their conference and say "for sure" UGA does. In the hypothetical situation - UGA would have 2 wins and 1 loss to other ranked teams.

I agree it doesn't help TN get in, but it may end up with NO "ZERO" SEC teams in the playoff if LSU were to win and all other conference champs have 1 or less losses.

To add - remember the first poll UGA was 3 and there were comments from the committee that the resume wasn't strong enough. They had to beat TN.
 
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volfan_28 said:
You can't just lean on history and ignore the current climate though.

The PAC-12 has never had it's best team get beat by 46 points in the season-opener. Their next best team (Utah) got beat by a 6-4 SEC team. And their 3rd best team (UCLA) just lost to 4-6 Arizona, who lost to Mississippi State by 22 points.

The SEC has established it's dominance over the PAC-12 in 2022 like never before, which can not and WILL NOT be ignored by the committee.
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Their “best” team is 1 loss USC since they’re the only ones with 1 loss and still have 3 ranked opponents ahead of them. I’m not relying on history to say it WILL happen, I’m relying on history to say if it does, no one can be surprised when the precedent has always been there.
 
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volfan102455 said:
A non-conference champion 1 loss team is a non-conference champion 1 loss team. You can't say for sure that Tennessee doesn't get in over a 1 loss P-5 champ because they did not win their conference and say "for sure" UGA does. In the hypothetical situation - UGA would have 2 wins and 1 loss to other ranked teams.

I agree it doesn't help TN get in, but it may end up with NO "ZERO" SEC teams in the playoff if LSU were to win and all other conference champs have 1 or less losses.

To add - remember the first poll UGA was 3 and there were comments from the committee that the resume wasn't strong enough. They had to beat TN.
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Yes I can because they’re NOT the same. You’re the only person following CFB who thinks a team going undefeated and losing their conference title game is the same as a team who lost in the regular season, to the aforementioned team.
 
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keepitreal2022 said:
The only way the SEC gets 2 teams in the playoffs is if the loser of the Mich/OSU game gets blown out or it's a non-competitive game.

I think the committee will give the Big 10 the same benefit of the doubt that they gave the SEC last year. Bama was 11-1 but went to the SECCG and won, and UGA was undefeated going into the game but was #1 for most of the CFP rankings. The same can be said back in 2017, Bama did not play in the SEC title game but got in with UGA. Bama was beaten by an 11-1 Auburn who was beaten by an 11-1 UGA in the SEC title game. Our biggest wins come against teams with 2 losses and our remaining schedule does not have a top-20 team left. In other words, if Mich/OSU goes into their game undefeated and plays like they did last year where the winner won by less than 10, then the loser will get the same benefit of the doubt. Let's hope the Mich/OSU game is a blowout one way or the other. I think the 4th team will be either TCU or the PAC 12 winner with 0 or 1 loss. Also, we need TCU to slip up. Baylor did not look like a world-beater today. The playoff committee would like nothing more than to have teams representing 4 out of the 5 power conferences. It's all about the money. Take your emotions out of it. Do you think they will pick us over USC and risk losing the west coast or Texas/ Southwest viewership?

OSU (#3 Mich)
UGA (#7 LSU)
Mich (#2 OSU)
USC/TCU (USC would play #9 UCLA)

btw- I think TA&M will beat LSU- Jimbo will be playing for a lot.
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