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#251
TennNC said:
Perhaps.

But acting like there's not a lot to learn about playing good defense in basketball is naive.
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But the things they could/should correct are things I would get benched for if I played D like that in high school or middle school even.


There are more complex things to learn on defense but they aren't doing the most basic things.

When I play church basketball now we yell at people for not stopping the ball on a fast break.
 
#252
#252
TennNC said:
Perhaps.

But acting like there's not a lot to learn about playing good defense in basketball is naive.
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Maze, Tyler, and Wayne are all in their third year of college basketball. If they haven't picked it up by now, they probably never will.
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#253
#253
hatvol96 said:
The basic tenet of attempting to stay in front of an opponent driving to the basket isn't exactly quantum physics.
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I don't know that it's even basic algebra. Can't believe some are trying to act like basketball defenses are all that hard. Some zones are more difficult to understand than others (see John Chaney's matchup zone), but basic man to man or a 3/2 or 2/3 aren't really that difficult to comprehend.
 
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#254
hatvol96 said:
Maze, Tyler, and Wayne are all in their third year of college basketball. If they haven't picked it up by now, they probably never will.
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hat, could you line up a Kevin Nash appreciation night for the Kentucky game...this team needs a dose of Big Sexy!
 
#255
#255
TennNC said:
He has benched many players in his time at Tennessee for poor play. Witness the shuffling point guard position last year (right or wrong).

I believe every player on this year's team has experienced that save perhaps Tyler.

I'm a Bruce fan, but I do have some concerns about him. His relationship with his players is not one of them.

it sounds like you believe there's only one way to coach effectively: by fear and punishment. I think there are more ways than that.
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Shuffling a guy out for a few minutes isn't a consequence. When a guy makes a mistake 3 minutes in and sits the rest of the half, that's a consequence.
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#256
Pearl seems to rationalize walking more softly around his players this year because he has so many young players. That may be exacerbating things rather than helping.

EDIT: Compare that to some of the faces Self was making at his young team. He seemed to get the desired results out of them.
 
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#257
volfanbill said:
I don't know that it's even basic algebra. Can't believe some are trying to act like basketball defenses are all that hard. Some zones are more difficult to understand than others (see John Chaney's matchup zone), but basic man to man or a 3/2 or 2/3 aren't really that difficult to comprehend.
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I would settle for "you got the dude with the fro"..."you got the slow white boy"... etc......
 
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cd12 said:
hat, could you line up a Kevin Nash appreciation night for the Kentucky game...this team needs a dose of Big Sexy!
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It would be nice to see an opponent suffer some jacknifesque consequences for having the hubris to drive to the basket.
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#259
cd12 said:
I would settle for "you got the dude with the fro"..."you got the slow white boy"... etc......
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no doubt. Every time Tennessee was in man and someone down low would step up to double the ball, KU always found the open man. Always. That wasn't consequence. That was Bill Self finding a severe chink in UT's defensive armor and exposing it to the world.
 
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hatvol96 said:
It would be nice to see an opponent suffer some jacknifesque consequences for having the hubris to drive to the basket.
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I know the guy is a hack but Childress did supply some of that as did Crews.
 
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#261
hatvol96 said:
The basic tenet of attempting to stay in front of an opponent driving to the basket isn't exactly quantum physics.
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So is the basic tenet of climbing a mountain, like, say, Mt. Everest. Put one foot in front of the other and repeat. Simple as that.

Your basic tenet applies to 1-on-1 halfcourt basketball. Put 8 other players out there and play full court, and it gets more complicated.

However, it sounds like you have an underlying beef, not just with Pearl but with many coaches. Sounds like you believe the way to coach and motivate effectively is through fear and punishment. An iron fist. Given the coaches you admire most, that certainly seems to be where you lean heavily, at the very least.
 
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TennNC said:
So is the basic tenet of climbing a mountain, like, say, Mt. Everest. Put one foot in front of the other and repeat. Simple as that.

Your basic tenet applies to 1-on-1 halfcourt basketball. Put 8 other players out there and play full court, and it gets more complicated.

However, it sounds like you have an underlying beef, not just with Pearl but with many coaches. Sounds like you believe the way to coach and motivate effectively is through fear and punishment. An iron fist. Given the coaches you admire most, that certainly seems to be where you lean heavily, at the very least.
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I consider Lon Kruger a good friend. I doubt anyone would say he rules with an iron fist. The same goes for Charlie Spoohour.
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hatvol96 said:
I consider Lon Kruger a good friend. I doubt anyone would say he rules with an iron fist. The same goes for Charlie Spoohour.
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but what you're saying is that it's not about teaching but rather all about motivating. right?

i mean, it's not that duke or UConn or Kansas plays smarter than we do. It's that they give more effort and know that they must perform well or face the consequences. that's what i glean from your posts.
 
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#268
TennNC said:
but what you're saying is that it's not about teaching but rather all about motivating. right?

i mean, it's not that duke or UConn or Kansas plays smarter than we do. It's that they give more effort and know that they must perform well or face the consequences. that's what i glean from your posts.
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Boxing out, challenging a shooter with a hand in his face and and stopping the ball on a fast break have nothing to do with smarts, period. It is effort or lack thereof.
 
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TennNC said:
but what you're saying is that it's not about teaching but rather all about motivating. right?

i mean, it's not that duke or UConn or Kansas plays smarter than we do. It's that they give more effort and know that they must perform well or face the consequences. that's what i glean from your posts.
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Not at all. The two things are directly intertwined. If I know failing to learn a defensive concept is going to result in Bob Huggins sending me to the locker room with 15 minutes to go in the first half, as it did with Erik Martin once, I'm going to make sure I study said concept til I can avoid that situation.
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I think that the established programs have the mindset "its a privlege for you to play here" not "its a privlege for you to play for us" kind of thing going.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Not at all. The two things are directly intertwined. If I know failing to learn a defensive concept is going to result in Bob Huggins sending me to the locker room with 15 minutes to go in the first half, as it did with Erik Martin once, I'm going to make sure I study said concept til I can avoid that situation.
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wait.

if it's so easy to learn, why would learning ever be part of the problem? why would you need to "study"? wouldn't it simply be a matter of trying harder? that's what your previous posts and others following suit seem to be saying.

and what I'm saying is that it's absolutely about learning the concept. about someone knowing it well enough themselves to be able to teach it to others in the most effective manner (which I believe to work differently for different players).

This team's problems have way, way more to do with what's between their ears than what's in their hearts.
 
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#272
TennNC said:
wait.

if it's so easy to learn, why would learning ever be part of the problem? why would you need to "study"? wouldn't it simply be a matter of trying harder? that's what your previous posts and others following suit seem to be saying.

and what I'm saying is that it's absolutely about learning the concept. about someone knowing it well enough themselves to be able to teach it to others in the most effective manner (which I believe to work differently for different players).

This team's problems have way, way more to do with what's between their ears than what's in their hearts.
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Playing hard is the main concept at winning programs.
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#273
TennNC said:
This team's problems have way, way more to do with what's between their ears than what's in their hearts.
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Only if you want to look at it as we've got a number of guys dumb enough to think they can go 3/4 speed and their talent will overpower people.
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#274
#274
hatvol96 said:
Playing hard is the main concept at winning programs.
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as is knowing how to play.

and having ability to play.

those three things, in any position on the floor, in any sport, in any endeavor in life, are the three determining factors. I see them weighted equally whether you're talking about running a small business, running for president, or playing defense in a college basketball game.

I think we're above average in two of the three and far below average in one, and thus the dip in performance.
 
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#275
TennNC said:
wait.

if it's so easy to learn, why would learning ever be part of the problem? why would you need to "study"? wouldn't it simply be a matter of trying harder? that's what your previous posts and others following suit seem to be saying.

and what I'm saying is that it's absolutely about learning the concept. about someone knowing it well enough themselves to be able to teach it to others in the most effective manner (which I believe to work differently for different players).

This team's problems have way, way more to do with what's between their ears than what's in their hearts.
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How long have Pearl, Jones, and Shay been teaching this same system? I'd hope they could effectively teach it by now.
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