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#276
#276
TennNC, you're missing the boat.

A team's defensive concept is different than the basic concepts UT is not doing. Challenging an open shooter by running out with your hand up is included in every team's concept and something done in drills from the time one is in middle school, which is something UT's players aren't doing.

And it's the players fault for being lazy and the coaches fault for not sitting his butt.
 
#277
#277
i think it's a combination of both.

this team doesn't have the tenacious nature the past two Bruce Pearl squads had. Relentless. that was a word used to describe Tennessee a lot the past two years.

not this year. that goes to effort.

on the other side of the coin, i don't know that they play all that smart either. they do take bad shots, they make dumb passes, they don't communicate that well on either end of the court.

that may have more to do with team chemistry than actual basketball smarts, but either way, some of the stuff they 've done looks completely boneheaded.

this simply is not a team i trust all that much right now to get it done when they have to. and that's all that matters imo.
 
#278
#278
hatvol96 said:
Only if you want to look at it as we've got a number of guys dumb enough to think they can go 3/4 speed and their talent will overpower people.
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Doesn't it seem, though, that the team lacks a clear understanding of what is expected on the defensive side of the ball? Speed and intensity can pick up, but it won't help that much if we leave people wide open.
 
#279
#279
hatvol96 said:
Only if you want to look at it as we've got a number of guys dumb enough to think they can go 3/4 speed and their talent will overpower people.
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I wish it were that simple. If so, this team's upside is much higher than I think it is. I'd be much more optimistic.

They think it's smart to go for a steal on a fastbreak so hard they fall into the first row and take themselves out of the play completely, allowing an easy 4-on-3 layup at the other end.

They think it's smart to face up to a man and get in his face when he doesn't have the ball, letting them lose track of where the ball is and give up an easy backdoor.

They think it's smart to take a quick three with nobody down low to rebound when you're only down 7 with plenty of time to come back.

They think it's smart to leave your man completely to try to help out instead of jumping to the ball and recovering.

These things are more difficult to overcome, I'm afraid.
 
#280
#280
i know this much, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to stand and watch the other team drive right by you on the way to a dunk or a lay up.

way too many times this year i've seen guys just run right by 3 orange shirts just watching it happen.

no excuse for that.
 
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#281
hatvol96 said:
How long have Pearl, Jones, and Shay been teaching this same system? I'd hope they could effectively teach it by now.
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as would i. you could chalk some of it up to a different cast of characters each year, but i think more of it has to do with the type of players they recruit and what they do or don't do with them once they're here.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i know this much, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to stand and watch the other team drive right by you on the way to a dunk or a lay up.

way too many times this year i've seen guys just run right by 3 orange shirts just watching it happen.

no excuse for that.
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this type of conventional wisdom denigrates the defensive expertise of players like Bruce Bowen, Kevin Garnett and Gary Payton. They don't just try harder. They know what they're doing and have the ability to do it well. It ain't just grunt work.
 
#283
#283
i don't think i disagreed with that, but you've seen what i'm talking about......these guys at times are just standing there watching things happen around them.

at that point, Hat does have a point.........do.......something........anything.......don't just stand there.........you'd almost expect them to applause when the play was over.

in any event, let's get them doing something on the defensive side of the court first, then we can worry about turning them in to the next Gary Payton.

gotta crawl before you can walk.
 
#284
#284
TennNC said:
this type of conventional wisdom denigrates the defensive expertise of players like Bruce Bowen, Kevin Garnett and Gary Payton. They don't just try harder. They know what they're doing and have the ability to do it well. It ain't just grunt work.
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Bruce Bowen and Gary Payton would both tell you the reason they are/were better defenders than, say Vince Carter and Jason Kidd, is that they bring an A level effort on that end every night.
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#285
#285
TennNC said:
this type of conventional wisdom denigrates the defensive expertise of players like Bruce Bowen, Kevin Garnett and Gary Payton. They don't just try harder. They know what they're doing and have the ability to do it well. It ain't just grunt work.
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"Knowing what you are doing" has nothing to do with stopping the ball on a fast break.

I can promise you those three along with any person that played basketball at 12 years of age were told to stop the ball on a fast break.

There is nothing advanced about looking at a person's mid section and shuffling your feet.
 
#286
#286
well for the record I think Bruce Pearl is a fine coach, but he will never ever EVER be on the same level as Bill self. not a chance in hell.
 
#288
#288
vols2345 said:
well for the record I think Bruce Pearl is a fine coach, but he will never ever EVER be on the same level as Bill self. not a chance in hell.
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People seem to forget that Self had Tulsa within an eyelash of going to the Final Four. Tulsa.
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hatvol96 said:
Bruce Bowen and Gary Payton would both tell you the reason they are/were better defenders than, say Vince Carter and Jason Kidd, is that they bring an A level effort on that end every night.
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bingo. It's applying their athleticism and effort equally on both ends. Easily put, it's focus.

It's why LeBron is such a better defender today than two years ago. He makes the effort and retains a focus, even on the defensive end. I don't think it's at all about how much more D he knows. It's about focus.
 
#290
#290
hatvol96 said:
You wouldn't know that by watching Hopson play matador.
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I bet he wouldn't do that for Howland. He wouldn't know more D under Howland, but he'd earn PT by employing what he does know.
 
#291
#291
BigPapaVol said:
I bet he wouldn't do that for Howland. He wouldn't know more D under Howland, but he'd earn PT by employing what he does know.
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I'd love to see Huggs or Calhoun react to Hopson standing like a scarecrow on the defensive end.
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#292
#292
JZVOL said:
"Knowing what you are doing" has nothing to do with stopping the ball on a fast break.
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again, i wish it were as simple as getting them to try harder to stop guys on fast breaks.

it's a holistic problem on the defensive end not limited to one position or one type of offense. it's breakdowns that come mostly from (in my opinion) not knowing what to do.
 
#293
#293
BigPapaVol said:
I bet he wouldn't do that for Howland. He wouldn't know more D under Howland, but he'd earn PT by employing what he does know.
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Jamie Dixon wouldn't be too impressed, either. For that matter, it's good thing he did pass on Kentucky and Mississippi State. He'd have already reduced his own playing time to spot duty with Billy Clyde or Stansbury with that act.
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#294
#294
hatvol96 said:
I'd love to see Huggs or Calhoun react to Hopson standing like a scarecrow on the defensive end.
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sounds like teaching to me.

i honestly wonder if anyone has ever tried to teach him to play serious defense. to show him the potential if he focuses on it and tries to learn it and apply himself.
 
#295
#295
hatvol96 said:
Bruce Bowen and Gary Payton would both tell you the reason they are/were better defenders than, say Vince Carter and Jason Kidd, is that they bring an A level effort on that end every night.
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well, i don't have their numbers on speed dial, but i'd also wager they'd say the fact that they apply themselves affects not only their effort but how smart they play defense.
 
#296
#296
TennNC said:
sounds like teaching to me.

i honestly wonder if anyone has ever tried to teach him to play serious defense. to show him the potential if he focuses on it and tries to learn it and apply himself.
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it's almost absurd to pretend that he doesn't now how to play defense.
 
#297
#297
TennNC said:
again, i wish it were as simple as getting them to try harder to stop guys on fast breaks.

it's a holistic problem on the defensive end not limited to one position or one type of offense. it's breakdowns that come mostly from (in my opinion) not knowing what to do.
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It is.
 
#298
#298
TennNC said:
i honestly wonder if anyone has ever tried to teach him to play serious defense.
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Given that there's a guy who is being paid millions of dollars to do so since he arrived on campus, I'd hope so.
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#300
#300
BigPapaVol said:
it's almost absurd to pretend that he doesn't now how to play defense.
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Agreed, I could walk into most middle schools and the kids could point out things he's not doing.

The middle school coach's response would be lack of effort and focus.
 
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