I would like to thank the Supreme Court, the NCAA, the universities, and players and their parents for ruining college football

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Scholarship athletes do get a modest stipend for "living expenses" and have for some time.

The issue is: if all athletes are compensated by the school, aren't they employees? I believe they are. Can't they unionize for a better amount of compensation? I believe they can. Does the university want to share that massive TV revenue? I'm sure they don't.

The school can't start compensating athletes and still claim they aren't employees.
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Sure they can just call them shareholders.
 
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utvolpj said:
Sure they can just call them shareholders.
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I'm pretty sure the University of Tennessee is run by the State of Tennessee and doesn't sell shares.

But you're getting to the point of all this. Athletics is really a massive business, not an educational endeavor.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
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Doesn't she have the most punchable face ?
 
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College football has never been as popular as it is today. The sky is falling crowd is knee jerk hyperbowl. Yes some things are being and will need to be adjusted, but college football is going to be just fine. The vast majority of young players are good students and athletes. Things will work themselves out, it’s a lot better than before when the under the table cartel kept a few schools with a free reign while handcuffing many. GBO
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
College football has never been as popular as it is today. The sky is falling crowd is knee jerk hyperbowl. Yes some things are being and will need to be adjusted, but college football is going to be just fine. The vast majority of young players are good students and athletes. Things will work themselves out, it’s a lot better than before when the under the table cartel kept a few schools with a free reign while handcuffing many. GBO
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Stealing "hyperbowl" which describes about 3/4 of the bowl games ESPN hypes.

Past that, it's just a few years until the courts decide college football and basketball players are employees and should be treated like professional athletes and paid by the schools.

I hate that. It will hurt a lot of small schools and non revenue sports. I'm unsure how schools can proceed controlling pro sports teams.
 
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No. We have the NCAA to thank for ruining college football. They were doing something so bad the Supreme Court agreed 9-0 that it was wrong. Instead of getting with the times and making changes that would have avoided or at least mitigated a lot of this disaster the NCAA fought it. And it exploded in their face with all the pressure to make changes.

So yes we are picking up the pieces, but it's the NCAAs fault. And probably us as fans too. We supported a system that made coaches, schools, conferences and a "non profit NCAA insanely rich. Using a top down approach to keep those who did the real work from making any money off of it.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Scholarship athletes do get a modest stipend for "living expenses" and have for some time.

The issue is: if all athletes are compensated by the school, aren't they employees? I believe they are. Can't they unionize for a better amount of compensation? I believe they can. Does the university want to share that massive TV revenue? I'm sure they don't.

The school can't start compensating athletes and still claim they aren't employees.
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There has to be some exception made in labor laws to exclude educational entities from having to be considered as employers in the typical sense, while still being able to provide some extra financial support for athletes. I mean, the school is making money off the labor of another human, so it's either slave labor or it has to be compensated in some way. Education has monetary value , so what's really the difference? I'm aware a lot of this is a bit complicated and over my head. It just seems that there has to be a simple way to share some of this profit with the people making it for them, while keeping the traditions and general cfb atmosphere intact .
 
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The NCAA needs to allow a full five years of eligibility instead of 4…we need to be like triple A BB but will a hell of lot more fan support and money
 
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Wezcoast said:
There has to be some exception made in labor laws to exclude educational entities from having to be considered as employers in the typical sense, while still being able to provide some extra financial support for athletes. I mean, the school is making money off the labor of another human, so it's either slave labor or it has to be compensated in some way. Education has monetary value , so what's really the difference? I'm aware a lot of this is a bit complicated and over my head. It just seems that there has to be a simple way to share some of this profit with the people making it for them, while keeping the traditions and general cfb atmosphere intact .
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The Supreme Court basically said the NCAA is in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act for not paying players "market value" while making big money from the games. As Justice Kavanaugh said, "The NCAA is not above the law."

So, apparently, no..... unless the new head of the NCAA, who is a former Governor and politically connected, can somehow get an "anti-trust exemption" for the NCAA from the U S Congress, it's very likely athletes will both become employees and the idea of attending school to play in "the professional league previously known as NCAA college football" will be gone.

It'll be like the G League for basketball where you have 18yo kids playing with 35yo guys because it's pro ball. The idea of "school" will be gone when the athletes are employees..... not students.
 
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Now that we have the money straightened let's move forward to the discrimination issue. Young people all across America are being discriminated against in college sports from making money from their name, image and likeness. College sports programs daily deny access to their programs by size and speed, without regard to their skill level. Lets open up sports to all students, not just the giants among us. Give everyone a chance to make some money! Funny, but when money is involved who knows.
 
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It's always funny to me that players were expected to be loyal to a fault and held 100% accountable for signing with a school. While a coach, admin, or staff could just come and go as they please. The thought that teenager should be held to a situation that either doesn't meet their expectations, or that they do not meed expectations, and forced to stay through it is ridiculous. No one would stay at a job that sucks if they could go work somewhere else. Same difference. And the NIL is just that they can have endorsements. They always should have been able to. If Little Caesar's wants to pay me to rep their pizza, I can... but nooooooooo, not a college athlete. Also ridiculous.

Nothing has been ruined. There will be more mercenary minded athletes, some who get to the program and discover they hate it there, or they, or the situation just doesn't work for them. Now they have a chance to be happy, as they should. I suspect most will stay where they are if they're happy. I also suspect our Gator pal doesn't like that a certain recruit's NIL is falling to pieces and therefore said recruit isn't enrolling.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach. The best players will force universities into bidding wars. A QB that wins the Heisman as a junior? He'll put himself on the free agency list for the portal the day after the bowls are done. Gone will be the days of sitting in the stands and watching a player progress over 2 to 4 years, maybe 5.

I'm not naive, I know it happened before on a lesser scale when it was not legal to make offers like we see now. But the scope of it now, and the fact that its going to just get worse....

There is no solution. NIL cannot be capped. I don't know, maybe student athletes never really did have much loyalty or allegiance and we romanticized it off the strength of the very few that seemed to embrace it, Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow. But now school fan bases are going to needle each other about how they stole this player or that player.

Time to realize that it was really just all about the show in years past? TV rights, pageantry, fight songs. The whole thing is just so depressing.
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You're right. There is no solution. And where there is no loyalty to Tennessee, there'll be no loyalty from me either. Just as I'm sure you feel the same about kids and Florida. We've discussed this elsewhere. People wanted to burn down the evil nasty awful oppressive system - well, they got their wish. No loyalty - loyalty is stupid. No pride - pride is stupid. No traditions - traditions are stupid. Only money. Cash money. "I Will Give My All To Tennessee Today"? If you pay me enough to, sure, whatever.

Sorry man. I truly am.
 
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It IS what is IS
NFL Minor League!!
And it aint going back.
In at least 60-70% of the Bowl Games. Did you notice the empty seats.........that is what led to the number IN increasing.....NO ONE cares unless their boyz are in the playoff.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The Supreme Court basically said the NCAA is in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act for not paying players "market value" while making big money from the games. As Justice Kavanaugh said, "The NCAA is not above the law."

So, apparently, no..... unless the new head of the NCAA, who is a former Governor and politically connected, can somehow get an "anti-trust exemption" for the NCAA from the U S Congress, it's very likely athletes will both become employees and the idea of attending school to play in "the professional league previously known as NCAA college football" will be gone.

It'll be like the G League for basketball where you have 18yo kids playing with 35yo guys because it's pro ball. The idea of "school" will be gone when the athletes are employees..... not students.
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It was fun while it lasted , for the fans anyway.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm pretty sure the University of Tennessee is run by the State of Tennessee and doesn't sell shares.

But you're getting to the point of all this. Athletics is really a massive business, not an educational endeavor.
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The Utad is not run by the state
 
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lawgator1 said:
There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach. The best players will force universities into bidding wars. A QB that wins the Heisman as a junior? He'll put himself on the free agency list for the portal the day after the bowls are done. Gone will be the days of sitting in the stands and watching a player progress over 2 to 4 years, maybe 5.

I'm not naive, I know it happened before on a lesser scale when it was not legal to make offers like we see now. But the scope of it now, and the fact that its going to just get worse....

There is no solution. NIL cannot be capped. I don't know, maybe student athletes never really did have much loyalty or allegiance and we romanticized it off the strength of the very few that seemed to embrace it, Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow. But now school fan bases are going to needle each other about how they stole this player or that player.

Time to realize that it was really just all about the show in years past? TV rights, pageantry, fight songs. The whole thing is just so depressing.
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hasn’t really effected us yet. It actually helped us. We lost Henry Too too thank god!
 
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Only way college football could ever be on a equal playing field in the power 5 is by limiting how many 4-5 star recruits each team is allowed. But that will never happen. But you would find out who the real coaches are. Not hard to lose when your top 5 recruits.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Scholarship athletes do get a modest stipend for "living expenses" and have for some time.

The issue is: if all athletes are compensated by the school, aren't they employees? I believe they are. Can't they unionize for a better amount of compensation? I believe they can. Does the university want to share that massive TV revenue? I'm sure they don't.

The school can't start compensating athletes and still claim they aren't employees.
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It’s coming. It just takes a while for the NLRB to work its caseload.

NLRB General Counsel Jennifer Abruzzo Issues Memo on Employee Status of Players at Academic Institutions
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Really? I was under the impression that Donde Plowman and Randy Boyd hired the Athletic Director and they are hired by the Board of Trustees for University of Tennessee and that Board is appointed by the Governor of Tennessee.
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I'll say it a different way - their money doesn't come from the state.
 
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Wezcoast said:
There has to be some exception made in labor laws to exclude educational entities from having to be considered as employers in the typical sense, while still being able to provide some extra financial support for athletes. I mean, the school is making money off the labor of another human, so it's either slave labor or it has to be compensated in some way. Education has monetary value , so what's really the difference? I'm aware a lot of this is a bit complicated and over my head. It just seems that there has to be a simple way to share some of this profit with the people making it for them, while keeping the traditions and general cfb atmosphere intact .
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Pay them a reasonable hourly wage - IDK? ~$20/hr?

AND let them make real value NIL deals, and NOT payola disguised as a marketing deal.

It’s not hard.
 
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