"I'd Rather Be A Really Good One-Term President." - Obama

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The really frustrating thing is if he would have worked with the other side instead of pushing too far to the left he could have passed meaningful HC reform.
 
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VolInMn said:
Oh no, I noticed that. It doesn't make it right, however.

So you agree with what he's saying, but think he'd really rather be a mediocre two-term president?
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I absolutely think he would absolutely prefer to be a two term president over anything else in the world. No two ways about it. He wants as long as possible to make the fundamental change toward the social in our country.
 
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KB5252 said:
Yes, I disagree. I don't believe that for a minute. If he cared about being a good president he would change the course of many of his policies as soon as possible.
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The question was whether the notion of being a good one term president vs. a mediocre two term president is sound. I'm not asking how you think he's doing.
 
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VolInMn said:
The question was whether the notion of being a good one term president vs. a mediocre two term president is sound. I'm not asking how you think he's doing.
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clearly the idea is sound with no context. Obama saying it just makes it another lie.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I absolutely think he would absolutely prefer to be a two term president over anything else in the world. No two ways about it. He wants as long as possible to make the fundamental change toward the social in our country.
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Roger that. Everyone has a right to an opinion and if you think he's lying, there's no debate.
 
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VolInMn said:
Roger that. Everyone has a right to an opinion and if you think he's lying, there's no debate.
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Of course there's debate. You don't think he's lying? What on earth would make you think that? I'll grant you that he might, again, have no idea what he's talking about due to inexperience, but this seems really elementary for that argument.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Of course there's debate. You don't think he's lying? What on earth would make you think that? I'll grant you that he might, again, have no idea what he's talking about due to inexperience, but this seems really elementary for that argument.
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There's no debate regarding the validity of the idea that one would rather be a good one term president rather than a mediocre two term president. That's what I was asking.
 
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VolInMn said:
The question was whether the notion of being a good one term president vs. a mediocre two term president is sound. I'm not asking how you think he's doing.
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Who cares about notions, at the end of the day they mean squat. You're right it doesn't matter how I think he's doing but take the pulse of the rest of the country and you have something meaningful. His policies have been rejected by the majority of Americans yet he keeps pushing back. If he really cared about his legacy as far as being a good president goes he would take a cue from Clinton.

Obama has managed to squander every bit of the momentum and good will he received as a result of the last administrations failed policy, and that's not easy to do.
 
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VolInMn said:
There's no debate regarding the validity of the idea that one would rather be a good one term president rather than a mediocre two term president. That's what I was asking.
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that's true, but you're asking the question as if it the comment was made in a vacuum. It wasn't. It was made by our current president and implying that he is doing a bang up job, even in the withering onslaught by heavily liberal voters who appear to disagree.
 
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Notice how it's still all about him? In his Ohio speech he claimed this was not about him but he doesn't believe his own words.

He has a view of what he thinks is best (the people be damned) and if he implements it but doesn't gain a second term he will have fulfilled (in his mind - the only one that matters) the statement.

Funny too that he still thinks his policies are failing because he hasn't explained them enough. Dude has made more public speeches than any other POTUS but it isn't enough? No matter how much you tell me the benefits of dog sh#t; it's still dog sh#t.
 
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volinbham said:
Notice how it's still all about him? In his Ohio speech he claimed this was not about him but he doesn't believe his own words.

He has a view of what he thinks is best (the people be damned) and if he implements it but doesn't gain a second term he will have fulfilled (in his mind - the only one that matters) the statement.

Funny too that he still thinks his policies are failing because he hasn't explained them enough. Dude has made more public speeches than any other POTUS but it isn't enough? No matter how much you tell me the benefits of dog sh#t; it's still dog sh#t.
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it's typical wackjob liberal arrogance. i.e. can't you see how much smarter i am than you are and it's clear we need to do these things to help out the little people. anyone who disagrees is a racist, stupid and/or insensitive.
 
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It's becoming quite evident to me that the less time he spends in front of a teleprompter, and has to speak with people and address questions directly, the less intelligent he appears. If a reporter/journalist had the ballz to actually go after the guy with some tough questions, it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't come off somewhat "Palinesk"?
 
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droski said:
it's typical wackjob liberal arrogance. i.e. can't you see how much smarter i am than you are and it's clear we need to do these things to help out the little people. anyone who disagrees is a racist, stupid and/or insensitive.
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I agree.

But the conservative side of that coin is tax cuts solve everything, morality is a government prerogative, and military brashness can solve all foreign problems. If you disagree you are a socialist, un-american, and/or a traitor.
 
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volinbham said:
Notice how it's still all about him? In his Ohio speech he claimed this was not about him but he doesn't believe his own words.

He has a view of what he thinks is best (the people be damned) and if he implements it but doesn't gain a second term he will have fulfilled (in his mind - the only one that matters) the statement.

Funny too that he still thinks his policies are failing because he hasn't explained them enough. Dude has made more public speeches than any other POTUS but it isn't enough? No matter how much you tell me the benefits of dog sh#t; it's still dog sh#t.
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Obama's First Year: By the Numbers - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Obama's first year

1. Speeches,comments & remarks - 411

2. News conferences - 42

3. Interviews - 158

4. Political fundraisers - 28

5. Golf - 29 rounds
 
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volinbham said:
Funny too that he still thinks his policies are failing because he hasn't explained them enough. Dude has made more public speeches than any other POTUS but it isn't enough? No matter how much you tell me the benefits of dog sh#t; it's still dog sh#t.
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Exactly. The odd thing here is that it is about him but yet he handed control of the agenda over to Pelosi. Reid tagged along. Obama gives some speeches in campaign mode and then lets Pelosi completely tank his agenda. He really failed himself. He has refused to take control and ride his post-election momentum. He handed the baton off to that dimwit and it has cost him all the political capital he came into ofice with. Every ounce of capital he had coming in is gone. He managed to lose it within one year. People wanted anti-Bush and got the flipside of Bush. Now with no trust - loss of both bookends of his support in the fringe left and the independents - is left with just a loyal few - those who vote Dem regardless and the African American community.
 
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I dont think Obama really understands the job of the President, set forth in the Constitution. Neither did Bush or Clinton.

Its not a stage to push personal agenda.
 
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rjd970 said:
I agree.

But the conservative side of that coin is tax cuts solve everything, morality is a government prerogative, and military brashness can solve all foreign problems. If you disagree you are a socialist, un-american, and/or a traitor.
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the difference is they are right. :)
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Exactly. The odd thing here is that it is about him but yet he handed control of the agenda over to Pelosi. Reid tagged along. Obama gives some speeches in campaign mode and then lets Pelosi completely tank his agenda. He really failed himself. He has refused to take control and ride his post-election momentum. He handed the baton off to that dimwit and it has cost him all the political capital he came into ofice with. Every ounce of capital he had coming in is gone. He managed to lose it within one year. People wanted anti-Bush and got the flipside of Bush. Now with no trust - loss of both bookends of his support in the fringe left and the independents - is left with just a loyal few - those who vote Dem regardless and the African American community.
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Does this include the White AA in this country or just the Black AA? :)
 
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CountVolcula said:
Does this include the White AA in this country or just the Black AA? :)
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Funny you mention that. A good friend of mine from college who is of Boer ancestry and was born in South Africa would always argue back about who is considered "African American". He'd always get a rise out of people for saying he was more African American than those here in the US using that title.
 
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