If Healthcare is a right....

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g8terh8ter_eric

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where the hell is my Cadillac in my driveway?? I feel that should be a right. Just wanted to throw that one out there.
 
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..or escape pain?

Honestly. $100,000? $500,000? $1,000,000?

I am sick of this so called "problem." Someone saves your life or alleviates your chronic pain and people want to bi*ch because they get a bill?

Would you move down from a $250,000 house to a $125,000 house to take care of the medical bills? It seems this society would say no to that idea.

Where is the problem? You receive a service and get a bill, take care of it. If you don't want the bill don't get the service.

Would have just started my own thread but just decided to piggyback on this similar topic.
 
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allvol123 said:
Would you move down from a $250,000 house to a $125,000 house to take care of the medical bills? It seems this society would say no to that idea.
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droski had a thread a little while back where the woman wouldn't give up her house so she and her kids could eat. Where do you think healthcare falls in relation to that?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
where the hell is my Cadillac in my driveway?? I feel that should be a right. Just wanted to throw that one out there.
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I will settle for my right to have electricity, phone, water, cable TV, and high speed Internet.

When should I expect to stop receiving utility bills at my home?
 
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utvolpj said:
droski had a thread a little while back where the woman wouldn't give up her house so she and her kids could eat. Where do you think healthcare falls in relation to that?
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Exactly. We have a "problem" yet everyone is free to go on living to the lifestyle they expect.


My mom had her gall bladder removed in the early 80s, I was just a kid. She never worked for a large corporation so I am sure we did not have any great health insurance. That surgery I would say created a several thousand dollar bill for her. A bill she paid, not the government or anyone else not involved in the situation.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
where the hell is my Cadillac in my driveway?? I feel that should be a right. Just wanted to throw that one out there.
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Healthcare seems like a basic condition necessary for the life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; a caddy, not so much. Sorry mate.
 
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turambar85 said:
Healthcare seems like a basic condition necessary for the life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; a caddy, not so much. Sorry mate.
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and yet our brilliant founding fathers felt the need to leave both out of their list. Wonder why that was?
 
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turambar85 said:
Healthcare seems like a basic condition necessary for the life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; a caddy, not so much. Sorry mate.
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If that's the case, why would we let the gov't f it up any further?
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utvolpj said:
and yet our brilliant founding fathers felt the need to leave both out of their list. Wonder why that was?
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Yeah, damn them for not foreseeing entirely the results of our future population, economy, etc. That, and they kind of happened to be people, not God's. They weren't philosophically perfect.
 
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turambar85 said:
Yeah, damn them for not foreseeing entirely the results of our future population, economy, etc. That, and they kind of happened to be people, not God's. They weren't philosophically perfect.
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Seems you missed the question or simply didn't want to answer it.
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turambar85 said:
Yeah, damn them for not foreseeing entirely the results of our future population, economy, etc. That, and they kind of happened to be people, not God's. They weren't philosophically perfect.
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Ahh...so rights are based on population, economies, etc. They sure could have used you.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Seems you missed the question or simply didn't want to answer it.
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Uhm, I did answer it. Does it have to be a simple, straightforward declarative statement for you to get that?

The answer was there. And, regardless, they may have been wrong.
 
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turambar85 said:
Uhm, I did answer it. Does it have to be a simple, straightforward declarative statement for you to get that?

The answer was there. And, regardless, they may have been wrong.
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You're set to be the village clown or mayor. Take your pick and skip the education you're contemplating.
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allvol123 said:
Ahh...so rights are based on population, economies, etc. They sure could have used you.
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Rights are based on context, yes. See, look. There are several basic human rights. However, there are many extrapolations from these basic rights that are CONTEXT SENSITIVE. A right to bear arms made no sense in the stone age, did it bud? A right to a free press made no sense then either.
 
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turambar85 said:
Rights are based on context, yes. See, look. There are several basic human rights. However, there are many extrapolations from these basic rights that are CONTEXT SENSITIVE. A right to bear arms made no sense in the stone age, did it bud? A right to a free press made no sense then either.
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Cute. Basic human rights have nothing to do with healthcare. Didn't in the 1700s and don't today. Freeloaders and those seeking said freeloaders' votes are the only idiots truly into such a pending economic or service quality disaster.
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turambar85 said:
Rights are based on context, yes. See, look. There are several basic human rights. However, there are many extrapolations from these basic rights that are CONTEXT SENSITIVE. A right to bear arms made no sense in the stone age, did it bud? A right to a free press made no sense then either.
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I see, so no one practiced medicine back then?

Additionally, as you to your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. As soon as you force an individual to offer healthcare as a mandate, the person being forced has had his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness trampled on. Comprende bud?
 
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allvol123 said:
I see, so no one practiced medicine back then?

Additionally, as you to your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. As soon as you force an individual to offer healthcare as a mandate, the person being forced has had his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness trampled on. Comprende bud?
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They aren't being forced to work for free. And you aren't telling people to break into a doctor's home for healthcare. You're saying that healthcare will be taxpayer funded. Who are you trampling on, I don't get it, and I'm not sure you do either.
 
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turambar85 said:
They aren't being forced to work for free. And you aren't telling people to break into a doctor's home for healthcare. You're saying that healthcare will be taxpayer funded. Who are you trampling on, I don't get it, and I'm not sure you do either.
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Oh did we leave the context argument? Medicine did not exist until the last 20 years, correct? Or is it because of the population or economy, please explain again.

I never said anything about free. If you are taking money from X to give healthcare to Y then that would be a start. Since X makes his money to pursue his life, liberty, and happiness.
 
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turambar85 said:
They aren't being forced to work for free. And you aren't telling people to break into a doctor's home for healthcare. You're saying that healthcare will be taxpayer funded. Who are you trampling on, I don't get it, and I'm not sure you do either.
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Are you really saying someone doesn't get it? Here we are in 2009 and we're trying to redefine healthcare as a right, yet pretending we don't understand. We didn't get to the top of the medical world, educationally and in practice, by giving it away or forcing our best. And brightest to have to deal with the POS bureaucracy that is our government. Of late in fact, fewer are pursuing medicine because of gov't intervention and forced pricing levels. I know those issues don't fit into your senseless basic rights argument, but they do have a bigger place in the argument than to 40 million uninsured lie.
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turambar85 said:
Rights are based on context, yes. See, look. There are several basic human rights. However, there are many extrapolations from these basic rights that are CONTEXT SENSITIVE. A right to bear arms made no sense in the stone age, did it bud? A right to a free press made no sense then either.
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I didn't realize the Constitution was written in the stone age...

Show me a right to healthcare even implied in the Constitution?

It's not precluded and the founders created a method for the people to have the government provide services if they so desire but to pretend that healthcare is some sort of Constitutional right is not supported.
 
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