If Healthcare is a right....

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#26
volinbham said:
I didn't realize the Constitution was written in the stone age...

Show me a right to healthcare even implied in the Constitution?

It's not precluded and the founders created a method for the people to have the government provide services if they so desire but to pretend that healthcare is some sort of Constitutional right is not supported.
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I'll add the right to bear arms doesn't mean the government will buy you a gun and the right to freedom of press does not mean they'll buy you a paper. People already have their right to seek healthcare, they have no right to make someone else pay for it.
 
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allvol123 said:
I'll add the right to bear arms doesn't mean the government will buy you a gun and the right to freedom of press does not mean they'll buy you a paper. People already have their right to seek healthcare, they have no right to make someone else pay for it.
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Stop with the pesky little details. It doesn't FEEL as good when I go to bed at night if I don't feel like we're helping those 40 million who absolutely have no prayer of helping themselves.
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turambar85 said:
The answer was there. And, regardless, they may have been wrong.
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If you are saying the Founders were wrong for not declaring healthcare as a right then I don't even know where to begin. They didn't have to foresee everything because the created a system that is adaptable.

The construction of the Constitution allows for addition of rights through amendment or even laws.

No one is suggesting that creating a "right to healthcare" is unConstitutional. However, claiming the opposite that the founders didn't forsee the need for healthcare but they may have been wrong so we can assume a right for healthcare exists is ludicrous.
 
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#29
That's ludacris, according to hordes of our VN brethren.

Yes, my help, though valuable, is free because you have every right to be right.
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BigPapaVol said:
Stop with the pesky little details. It doesn't FEEL as good when I go to bed at night if I don't feel like we're helping those 40 million who absolutely have no prayer of helping themselves.
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Eventually you're going to see a "rights tax" on your earnings.
 
#33
#33
Caveman Krucckidckic would be appalled to find that his birth-right to healthcare has not been continued to the modern day.
 
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turambar85 said:
They aren't being forced to work for free. And you aren't telling people to break into a doctor's home for healthcare. You're saying that healthcare will be taxpayer funded. Who are you trampling on, I don't get it, and I'm not sure you do either.
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It is more than obvious, you don't get it.

I'm being trampled on. Every other tax paying citizen in America is being trampled on. Why should I have to pay for your healthcare? Who am I to demand that you pay for my healthcare? I damn sure don't owe healthcare to the ghettos full of Obamasheep, and they don't owe me.

Human rights? Where do you find this list of 'rights'? You have two human rights. To be born, and to die.
 
#35
#35
i believed Detroit thought, at one time, that every student had the right to an ipod and they proposed a bill to do that. it didn't pass though, that's the mentality of libs
 
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#36
I heard a great analogy on this a few weeks back. If healthcare is a right that should be covered by the government, what about housing? Or how about food? I know we have section 8 and food stamps, but honestly that is for the poorest of the poor who pretty much already have medicaid. So now that we are saying families up to 88 grand a year have to have access to healthcare, do we make their mortgage payments and do their grocery shopping as well?
 
#37
#37
Do not forget education. I mean really, an educated person has a much better chance to enjoy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So it is only fair that this become a right. Free schooling for evreyone, just pick your school.
 
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#38
We already have that for PreK - 12... they just want to add 13-16 now. And look how swimmingly they are doing with the first 14 years. This is what boggles me about healthcare. Do you really want to hand that to people who can't even educate most seniors in high school beyond a 5th grade level and can't get us a little card with our picture on it in less than 2 hours?
 
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allvol123 said:
Do not forget education. I mean really, an educated person has a much better chance to enjoy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So it is only fair that this become a right. Free schooling for evreyone, just pick your school.
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It exists today at a tax payer expense.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
We already have that for PreK - 12... they just want to add 13-16 now. And look how swimmingly they are doing with the first 14 years. This is what boggles me about healthcare. Do you really want to hand that to people who can't even educate most seniors in high school beyond a 5th grade level and can't get us a little card with our picture on it in less than 2 hours?
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Where in the world are you getting this misinformation?
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Where in the world are you getting this misinformation?
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It may be an exaggeration but you would be surprised how many horrible teachers there are out there that are protected by unions.
 
#42
#42
Ok I admit I'm being a little bitter in my sarcasm. I am refering to the absolutely abysmal high school graduation rate that seems to average right around 50% in the nation's 50 largest cities. And I have heard various reports over the years from some cities having rates as low as 25-35% (Indianapolis comes to mind). That second list shows it by state, and even that is fairly alarming (go go south with almost by and far the worst rates).

Study: Graduation Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Lower Than National Average - 4/1/2008 11:25:00 AM - School Library Journal
High School Graduation Rates by State source data - Swivel
 
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UT IE 95 said:
It exists today at a tax payer expense.
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It does not exist as a right. You have the right to pursue it, you have no right to force someone to buy it for you. As for us already paying for it, we see how marvelous government education is doing. So yea, why not send healthcare down the same road.
 
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KB5252 said:
It may be an exaggeration but you would be surprised how many horrible teachers there are out there that are protected by unions.
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That's a union problem - it's impacting manufacturing just like education.

And I have a first understanding of the number of bad teachers - in public and private systems. But there are many, many, many more great teachers and educators than poor ones.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
That's a union problem - it's impacting manufacturing just like education.

And I have a first understanding of the number of bad teachers - in public and private systems. But there are many, many, many more great teachers and educators than poor ones.
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They didn't even teach him the word "hand" :p
 
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