If holly really love lady vols she need to step down!!

[Advol]

tyler summitt

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That would have been a dumb statement even before he disgraced himself!!

 

[Nute Gunray]

For clarification, the post you replied to was not directed to you, but to the person who replied to my original comment to you.

When Holly was hired, I didn't really see a problem with the pick. She was an All-American player, Pat's longtime assistant, and was loyal to the program. I 100% believed that she deserved to be chosen, even if there were better "big name" coaches out there. Besides, she was inheriting a fully stocked roster and with Pat stepping down, there was no longer the turmoil associated with her worsening condition while she was on the sideline. I was still in her corner after her first couple of seasons when Tennessee was still a consensus Top 4 program for the most part, even with the odd loss to the likes of UTC.

Last season, she had her most talented roster since she became HC and without the stabilizing influence of the last group of players coached by Pat (Ariel, Cierra and Izzy), the wheels completely came off and the team looked horrible from beginning to end. They had the most losses in school history, they lost to teams they've never lost to before, finished their lowest in the SEC standings, and fell out of the rankings for the first time in God knows how long. Give that roster to any other coach in the Top 25, and they would have had significantly better results. I firmly believed that she was out of her league and was not the right person to keep Tennessee in the upper echelon of the sport. We heard her talk about how chemistry has improved, players improved over the summer, yadda yadda yadda...but they come out and lose 2 games to unranked, unheralded teams looking exactly the same as they did last year.

So in spite of the fact that she signed the #1 class, I still think a new coach is in order. I think it's unrealistic to think those 4 freshmen will come in and turn the program around, given the fact that Holly started 5 McD AA's (including a #1 ranked recruit and the NFOY transfer) against lowly PSU and VT and still managed to lose. After the projected losses to Baylor and Texas, they will likely drop out of the rankings for good for the rest of the season. Although this team is less talented than last year's version, I expected that they would perform better even if they wouldn't necessarily be a Top 10 team. Clearly, I was wrong, and from the way they have started off (and given Holly's track record as a coach), I expect that they will eclipse all of the records they established last season.

This is a brilliant, fair and accurate analysis and prediction of the LVs performance with Holly as HC.

 

[alexvol]

Yep ....purely erudite.

 

[T.J.]

This is a brilliant, fair and accurate analysis and prediction of the LVs performance with Holly as HC.

I agree 100%

 

[kvol1987]

What was kvol1987 said in this post is why I inserted the eyeroll - in retrospect, probably not the best choice for a gesture, because I certainty meant no disrespect to Pat Summitt - in fact, quite the opposite.

I DO realize Pat built the program from absolutely NOTHING. Yes, Holly walked into a dynasty - a brand built from the ground up by a legend - an irreplaceable legend. My point is that Holly is dealing with one monumental challenge that Pat didn't - following in her footsteps!

As kvol1987 said, Holly is only now beginning to step out of Pat's shadow. On top of establishing herself as a head coach, dealing with injuries and internal issues, do any of you realize or even care what it's been like for Holly to witness the decline and subsequent death of her mentor and best friend to such a horrific disease?

I think, as kvol said, if any other coach has accumulated Holly's stats, they would be praised and encouraged and considered on the brink of an breakthrough. The game has elevated tremendously in many ways since Pat Summitt started out - BECAUSE of Pat Summitt. Teams recruit better, hire better coaches, because of what Pat built.

I know how Pat built the program, I know what an impact she had on the game. l know it's upsetting to diehard longtime Lady Vol fans to see them playing like they've been playing. You don't know what issues are going on behind the scenes and how they are being handled. Most of all, you don't know what it's like to walk in Holly's shoes. She's the only person on earth who knows what it's like to try to fill the shoes of Pat Summitt.

Since the concencus is that Holly is going nowhere as of now, why not offer encouragement instead of the constant complaining and bashing? And for those of you who will say, "I've been supportive, I've hung in there...now I want to see them win a national championship!" I say KEEP ON. All the nastiness (yes some of you are nasty) and negativity does the program no good.

I want you all to know this: I DO know Pat Summitt built the Lady Vols program from nothing and the impact she had on the sport. I know what impact she has on the game and on people, even now, after her death.

You see, it was my son who carried Pat's memorial bench chair off The Summitt this past Wednesday night as the crowd pointed and whispered, "There's the chair...there's Pat's chair." He said he had never felt so many eyes (even though they weren't on him, but on "The Chair," as it's been dubbed). As he was entering the tunnel that leads to the locker room, fans were leaning down over the rail from above, reaching out and down, clamoring to touch "The Chair" that bore her name written on a piece of tape - how they've always labeled the bench chairs on game day. He said it seemed the appropriate thing to do was hold up "The Chair" so they could touch it. As he told me about it on the phone later that night, he was pretty overcome with emotion. Pat's impact and her very presence is still there in the program and felt - even among people like my son who was never fortunate enough to meet her.

I don't have any business posting on here.

Peace out and God bless...

Thanks T_Vol ...

 

[kvol1987]

For clarification, the post you replied to was not directed to you, but to the person who replied to my original comment to you.

When Holly was hired, I didn't really see a problem with the pick. She was an All-American player, Pat's longtime assistant, and was loyal to the program. I 100% believed that she deserved to be chosen, even if there were better "big name" coaches out there. Besides, she was inheriting a fully stocked roster and with Pat stepping down, there was no longer the turmoil associated with her worsening condition while she was on the sideline. I was still in her corner after her first couple of seasons when Tennessee was still a consensus Top 4 program for the most part, even with the odd loss to the likes of UTC.

Last season, she had her most talented roster since she became HC and without the stabilizing influence of the last group of players coached by Pat (Ariel, Cierra and Izzy), the wheels completely came off and the team looked horrible from beginning to end. They had the most losses in school history, they lost to teams they've never lost to before, finished their lowest in the SEC standings, and fell out of the rankings for the first time in God knows how long. Give that roster to any other coach in the Top 25, and they would have had significantly better results. I firmly believed that she was out of her league and was not the right person to keep Tennessee in the upper echelon of the sport. We heard her talk about how chemistry has improved, players improved over the summer, yadda yadda yadda...but they come out and lose 2 games to unranked, unheralded teams looking exactly the same as they did last year.

So in spite of the fact that she signed the #1 class, I still think a new coach is in order. I think it's unrealistic to think those 4 freshmen will come in and turn the program around, given the fact that Holly started 5 McD AA's (including a #1 ranked recruit and the NFOY transfer) against lowly PSU and VT and still managed to lose. After the projected losses to Baylor and Texas, they will likely drop out of the rankings for good for the rest of the season. Although this team is less talented than last year's version, I expected that they would perform better even if they wouldn't necessarily be a Top 10 team. Clearly, I was wrong, and from the way they have started off (and given Holly's track record as a coach), I expect that they will eclipse all of the records they established last season.

Amb Championships are not won in the regular season. Last year may have been Holly's best group and maybe that's why they went to the Elite Eight without Mercedes who was out with her redshirt season. And if you remember, during the Ohio State game, Jordan went down with a concussion and Bashaara and Andraya both injured their hands against Ohio State so when they went into the Elite Eight game you had no Jordan and two injured starters. Last year was a tough regular season but it does take time to become a team and they did when they entered the NCAAs. You guys can want Holly gone but with 27 wins, 3 elite eights while having all the injures each of her four seasons, I don't think any one from the administration would fire her without allowing her to work at least two to three seasons with the 2017 incoming class. So all of you should shelf all this negativity for about 3 more seasons ... I'm out ...

 

[Amb3096]

Amb Championships are not won in the regular season. Last year may have been Holly's best group and maybe that's why they went to the Elite Eight without Mercedes who was out with her redshirt season. And if you remember, during the Ohio State game, Jordan went down with a concussion and Bashaara and Andraya both injured their hands against Ohio State so when they went into the Elite Eight game you had no Jordan and two injured starters. Last year was a tough regular season but it does take time to become a team and they did when they entered the NCAAs. You guys can want Holly gone but with 27 wins, 3 elite eights while having all the injures each of her four seasons, I don't think any one from the administration would fire her without allowing her to work at least two to three seasons with the 2017 incoming class. So all of you should shelf all this negativity for about 3 more seasons ... I'm out ...

We can agree to disagree then, because I don't think that when you have a team with 7 McD AAs (including 3 players that were ranked #1 by recruiting services and 2 McD MVPs), you need a whole season and losses to vastly inferior teams to come together as a team. Geno lost 3 starters, and UConn looks as dominant as ever with a bunch of role players. That's what great coaches do.

The Syracuse game was one that Tennessee should have won. They were the more talented team, even with the injuries (and let's face it...losing Jordan Reynolds and Andraya Carter isn't exactly something that should even matter given their lack of production). There was no element of surprise, since Syracuse was coming off the upset of SC. Instead, the coach who was in the E8 for the first time was the one who had his team fired up and ready to go.

Good coaches don't need a year to underachieve for the year with Top 4 talent...and they underachieved in both the regular season and the tournament. I remember the days when losing in the E8 was a disappointment, and I'm not about to jump up and down as if that's some great achievement for a team with Tennessee's pedigree. If you choose to lower the standards for Holly, then I applaud you for it. I'm used to a level of excellence that this program has traditionally achieved, and frankly it saddens me to see Holly drag it down and incrementally lower expectations year after year in spite of the talented players that Tennessee has recruited.

 

[Biopsyman]

Lets face it.. Its UCONN and everyone else.. The gap is not even close

 

[BMvol27]

I'm not saying keep Holly or fire her. I just want to know from the people that want her gone, who do you want hired as her replacement. Don't say Mulkey as her buyout is too high and contract is too long. I don't see any so called "big name" coaches out there looking to make a move. It looks like that would leave you with an up and comer. Who? That would be taking a chance like football did. You may make a homerun hire or you may get a Dooley. I would really like to hear some names instead of just fahr Holly.

We have a Dooley already.

 

[508mikey]

loss # 3 already looming Sunday vs Baylor

 

[Ladyvol777]

The Chattanooga Coach who the next UT AD hired as Women's BB Coach and has beaten the Current Lady Vols Coach while at Chattanooga.He is a good X's and O;s Coach and probably one of the best " Bigs " coaches in the country ( he proved that in previous stints at Vandy and Ohio State )

I love the man that is coaching the Chattanooga men team, he is young and a star is being born, he could convert to the women game.

 

[gule]

bruce tyndall lol

 

[gule]

I love the man that is coaching the Chattanooga men team, he is young and a star is being born, he could convert to the women game.

ouch, have to lose his "balls' though...

 

[Coach Jumper]

I love the man that is coaching the Chattanooga men team, he is young and a star is being born, he could convert to the women game.

The men's game (and the man, itself), is VASTLY different than coaching women. . .Just as a great "players" isn't always going to be a great "coach"..." A great men's coach doesn't translate into a great women's coach...In fact, it is often quite the opposite.

 

[mlindsay]

Not that the opinion on this board means a lick, but like I said, there's no shortage. I'm happy to give my list, for all that it matters.

Scott Rueck at Oregon State
Jose Fernandez at South Florida
Matthew Mitchell at Kentucky
Mike Carey at West Virginia
Quentin Hillsman at Syracuse
Katie Meier at Univ. Miami
Charli Turner Thorne at Arizona State

That's just a few and by no means a comprehensive list. All of them have shown they can do more with less.

I like a few of your choices Amb!

I am going to go with a few coaches who have done a nice job on the recruiting trail who has also got the best out of the positions they have coached at their respective programs be it assistant or head coach. I will stay away from the big names but focus on coaches I know can and will do everything to take us back to where we once were and continue to move us forward and could weaken our competition.

Lady Vol Alums;
Nicky McCray
Jody Adams
Kelli Jo Harper
Nicki Fargas

Non Tennessee Alums;
Neile Ivy-Look at what she has done on the recruiting trail as lead recruiter as well as how her guards (Loyd, Allen, McBride, Diggins) have played (all except Allen were high picks in the WNBA draft and are one of the stars on their respective teams and Allen is likely to be a first round pick also).

Quentin Hillsmen-The guy can flat out coach and recruit and although I don't think a man would ever coach as a Lady Vols coach (Tyler would've probably been the only one until he kind of tarnished himself)

Carol Owens-Notre Dame Post Players coach

Candice Blankson-Depaul Assistant Coach and Top recruiter

Tonya Cardoza-Temple head coach with a 62 % career coaching record (All at Temple she replaced Dawn) she is also from the Geno coaching tree as she spent years there before accepting the job at Temple

In closing all of the coaches I have listed have done a lot with a lot less resources than they would have at UT! They all have also proven that they can coach elsewhere (all accept McCray and Ivy would be first time head coaches) and they all are under 55 (most are under 50)!

I would bring these coahes in for interviews should Holly show that she can't get it done in the next couple seasons

 

[DR2]

Niele Ivey sounds like a great choice, especially after what she did with Diggins and has continued to do with ND guards. Though she doesn't have the HC experience, everything about her in her career seems impressive during all her years with McGraw as a player and coach, as a practice leader, game tactician, and top recruiter. You know she will stay at ND and battle for an NC until a really great opportunity is offered, but the problem for UT is that that offer will likely be coming very soon for her. She also has the WNBA creds that is useful in dealing with players.

And in the aftermath of Holly, it might be better not to have an LV alum who is so tied to both Holly and the past, because new strategies on offense are vital. And also guessing that a coach who assisted Geno like Cardozo would also have an extra burden to work with as far as fan acceptance.

 

[Ladyvolfan4ever]

Not that the opinion on this board means a lick, but like I said, there's no shortage. I'm happy to give my list, for all that it matters.

Scott Rueck at Oregon State
Jose Fernandez at South Florida
Matthew Mitchell at Kentucky
Mike Carey at West Virginia
Quentin Hillsman at Syracuse
Katie Meier at Univ. Miami
Charli Turner Thorne at Arizona State

That's just a few and by no means a comprehensive list. All of them have shown they can do more with less.

Matthew Mitchell had half of his team leave after last season. What makes you think he would be a great choice?

 

[Amb3096]

Matthew Mitchell had half of his team leave after last season. What makes you think he would be a great choice?

Because even with that exodus and fewer scholarship players than Tennessee has (1/3 of the team is made up of walk-ons), UK has beaten two ranked teams and is a better team than Tennessee. He's getting more out of less compared to Holly.

 

[alexvol]

Would love to have the guy at Louisville after watching his presser after losing to Maryland the other nite.

 

[Only1COJ]

Not that the opinion on this board means a lick, but like I said, there's no shortage. I'm happy to give my list, for all that it matters.

Scott Rueck at Oregon State
Jose Fernandez at South Florida
Matthew Mitchell at Kentucky
Mike Carey at West Virginia
Quentin Hillsman at Syracuse
Katie Meier at Univ. Miami
Charli Turner Thorne at Arizona State

That's just a few and by no means a comprehensive list. All of them have shown they can do more with less.

Sherri Coale- OU

 

[Amb3096]

Would love to have the guy at Louisville after watching his presser after losing to Maryland the other nite.

Though I agree with his sentiments, I wonder how his team will respond to that challenge?

 

[Orange Maniac]

I'm not seeing many names that make me think, wow, that would be a home run hire. My favorite would be Becky Hammon. If I were going to take a flyer on an assistant, it would probably be Ivey or Ralph. I don't know much about how Shea coaches but I would interview her to see what I thought. I still don't understand the Matthew Mitchell love on this site. Take away Epps this year and they wouldn't be doing squat except running around like their hair is on fire. His success is dropping since the NCAA is cutting down on physical contact. I'm not seeing anybody that seems like a sure fire long term winner. They may be out there but I'm not seeing it.

 

[Amb3096]

I still don't understand the Matthew Mitchell love on this site. Take away Epps this year and they wouldn't be doing squat except running around like their hair is on fire. His success is dropping since the NCAA is cutting down on physical contact. I'm not seeing anybody that seems like a sure fire long term winner. They may be out there but I'm not seeing it.

Take away Mercedes, and Tennessee would be floundering even more...even with the remaining 4 McD AA.

Not sure where you're seeing UK success dropping. They had a good SEC schedule. Of their 7 losses, 3 of them were to SC and they beat FL, TAMU, Miss State and Tennessee.

This year, UK should have been a cellar dwellar this year with their player exodus. Their short bench means they can't play their usual brand of Kentucky basketball, but they are still a Top 20 team and have a few wins against teams ranked higher than them. It would have been easy for them to throw in the towel and wait until next year, but Mitchell has his team playing hard.

 

[LVJeff]

...I'm not seeing anybody that seems like a sure fire long term winner...

This is a curious statement. You think there is a catalog out there that you just open it up and turn to page 100 and there are the coaches who will never lose and win a championship every time? I'll have one of those.

That's not reality, the reality is it's almost a crapshoot, you do the best you can, you interview, you research, you do your vetting process, then you hire somebody and hope they do a good job.

But, a sure-fire winner? You have set the bar so inhumanly high that you're able to shoot down everybody else's choices.

 

[LVJeff]

In my career as an engineer I had hiring authority. Eventually I came to the conclusion that I only wanted to hire people that had an aptitude and a work ethic. Those were the only two things I cared about. Anything and everything else I could teach them, but I couldn't teach them a work ethic and I couldn't give them an aptitude. But of course it was damnably difficult to figure out who had a work ethic and an aptitude before you hired them.