If holly really love lady vols she need to step down!!

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This team is lacking two things all champions "should" have: a great head coach and superb point guard play. Our guards are atrocious, and the wing and post play is too weak to over compensate. Holly is clueless and overwhelmed. I actually hurt for her watching this brand of ball. This team can't get out of its own way. Their passing, spacing, ball movement and D are all lacking. And let's not even consider the shooting woes due to brain overload and the inclination to take the fetal position, thumb squarely logged in mouth. Jeez!

This is embarrassing, but the next AD will give Holly at least one year with her #1 class. So our bellyaching is only good for one thing: relief for our aching bellies.

God bless and Go Lady Vols!
 
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Voldon18 said:
They are wonderful, and I would add Rick Barnes. He's a great man first. He knows basketball strategy, can actually coach shooting improvement, and once he has another class under his belt, we'll start to see results.
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Your post leads me to wonder if Holly has talked to Coach Barnes about improving the LV's shooting. Seems to me she should be getting advice from him as to how to get players to shoot better. Maybe she has. Been wondering this since last year. Also,as others have said,she should have open tryouts to find walkons to help alleviate her player shortage. Lady Vol softball has at least one player who was a really fast guard in high school. Does Holly not want any help? Has she decided that the die is cast?
 
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Chris89128 said:
And you don't think Holly had a good gameplan today? VT shot 10% from 3 they normally make 7 a game. If certain players weren't sloppy or didn't miss layups, TN wins
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How many layups did Va Tech make ? They did not need 3's to win this game.All that was need was to drive to the basket.Holly's game play sucked like it always does.
 
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we have a lot of very good players ! change all coaches. good player can be great player under a great coach!remember pat?
 
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UTLadyvolsfan said:
Guys - Holly just landed her best recruiting class ever. Depending on who you ask, it's 4 kids who are in the top 15 including at least 2 in the top 10. For all her talent, I don't think Diamond is good for this team. There. I said it. She's a drag on the team in attitude and effort in my opinion. Let's evaluate the team once she's gone and the staff gets to work with the kids coming back and the quartet coming in...
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This is the conclusion that I have reached as well.
 
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Chris89128 said:
And you don't think Holly had a good gameplan today? VT shot 10% from 3 they normally make 7 a game. If certain players weren't sloppy or didn't miss layups, TN wins
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VT missing most of their 3's, does not mean HW had a good game plan. It means VT had an off day from behind the arc. Holly has a game plan? Who knew?
 
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UTLadyvolsfan said:
Guys - Holly just landed her best recruiting class ever. Depending on who you ask, it's 4 kids who are in the top 15 including at least 2 in the top 10. For all her talent, I don't think Diamond is good for this team. There. I said it. She's a drag on the team in attitude and effort in my opinion. Let's evaluate the team once she's gone and the staff gets to work with the kids coming back and the quartet coming in...
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That's the thing: no one is disputing our talent. We have been lucky every year to get talent. The problem is that we aren't getting the play on the court that is indicative of the talent we have. That's happening consistently EVERY year with Holly as the head coach. We need a coach that can utilize the talent. GETTING the talent isn't enough. You have to be able to utilize it.
 
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Trixietrouble said:
This is the conclusion that I have reached as well.
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End of 12-13 season: "Thank God we we got Mercedes and Jordan. Cierra and Ariel are so overrated."
End of 13-14 season: "Thank God we got Alexa and Jaime. Meighan is so overrated."
End of 14-15 season: "Thank God we got Te'a and Diamond. Jaime, Jordan, Andraya and Alexa are so overrated."
End of 15-16 season: "Thank God we got Schaquila. Bashaara is so overrated."
End of 16-17 season (prediction): "Thank God we got Rennia, Evina, Anastasia and Kasi. Diamond and Mercedes are so overrated."
End of 17-18 season (prediction): "Thank God we got Olivia/Amara/Honesty. Rennia, Evina, Anastasia and Kasi are so overrated."
 
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alexvol said:
How many layups did Va Tech make ? They did not need 3's to win this game.All that was need was to drive to the basket.Holly's game play sucked like it always does.
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That's what is really scary. Virginia Tech really didn't play all that well, and still won....
 
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Chris89128 said:
I know Holly will be trashed, BUT to me THIS loss is solely on the players.
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You need to be in the dumpster with the rest of the trash for blaming this on the players. Players are a mirror reflection of their coaching. This is way above the players pay grade to blame this on them.
 
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Voldon18 said:
This team is lacking two things all champions "should" have: a great head coach and superb point guard play. Our guards are atrocious, and the wing and post play is too weak to over compensate. Holly is clueless and overwhelmed. I actually hurt for her watching this brand of ball. This team can't get out of its own way. Their passing, spacing, ball movement and D are all lacking. And let's not even consider the shooting woes due to brain overload and the inclination to take the fetal position, thumb squarely logged in mouth. Jeez!

This is embarrassing, but the next AD will give Holly at least one year with her #1 class. So our bellyaching is only good for one thing: relief for our aching bellies.

God bless and Go Lady Vols!
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Who is suppose to be coaching this group of players who show this lack of ability to play...You got it, the person who thought they were good enough to play on this team.

Holly is useless.
 
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armchair said:
leader. Yea, our other players have their issues--but when DD does play well her game tends to lift that of the others. That's the point of having a very good player and a leader--but we don't get that very often from her. I'm not blaming everything on DD--but look at last year's regular season and then the tournament: We played significantly better in the tournament, mostly because DD played significantly better--shot better, didn't turn it over, played with more intensity instead of drifting around the court with 3/4 effort as she has a tendency to do. DD is one of these players who wants to show off her talent sporadically during a game but doesn't play at full effort all the time. That is very obvious with her.

Do we have other issues. Of course: I haven't been a fan of HW from day one--completely out of her depth. I don't think the players respond to her--that is a big issue--or don't fully respond as they would to a coach who really demanded and got respect. We almost never get the guard play you need to win games. We are supposed to be one of the premier programs in the country--and yet our guard play, year after year, is not good enough, not nearly good enough on either end of the floor. When is the last time we had a pair of really talented guards who were effective on both ends of the floor? I couldn't tell you--it's been forever! It's both a talent issue and a coaching issue. In Reynolds, Middleton and Jackson we don't have enough talent at guard. Neither Reynolds nor Middleton can really defend a quick, penetrating guard. Cooper, last year, didn't work hard enough on defense and was ineffective against zone defenses as she is a player who wants to penetrate with the balsketball. I think we have a combination of talent and intensity issues on defense, with our guards, and offensively we just miss too many shots---everybody misses too many shots. And we don't move the ball and pass well enough either--a long-standing problem that shows up in your assist/turnover ratio. Today we had 11 assists and 21 turnovers--terrible ratio, that's how you lose games.

When you are bad, it is usually attributable to //both// coaching and talent issues. And with us, you can add a third problem--intensity. So, multiple problems. Hell, Virginia Tech didn't even play that well today! They were 2-20 from the three-point line and missed 10 free-throws--and they still beat us. That's a very bad sign. More talent will help...a little, but there will still be the same problems. We had Massengale and Simmons at guard for what, two or three years--and same issues with those two. Massengale never really developed as a playmaker and was a fairly lazy defender, soft, and Simmons, while she played very hard, missed far too many shots and just wasn't a well-rounded guard.

It all starts with having a very good coach, frankly. If you don't have a good coach, you are not going to win consistently, I don't care who your players are. And this is what we've seen for four/five years now.
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Two reasons VT was better with less talent...1. The coach demanded hustle out of every player. 2. The players knew where the other players were on the floor. Again a coaches responsibility.
 
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Chris89128 said:
I know Holly will be trashed, BUT to me THIS loss is solely on the players.
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I completely agree, to some extent, I did not watch the entire game as I was driving home while trying to watch the game on my phone (bad idea, i know!). Some of the mistakes I vividly remember are Jamie not boxing out on a free throw and letting a player grab an O-Board and put back, 2 different guards held the ball at the wing for 5 seconds staring at Russel debating whether or not to throw it to her, after deciding not to and trying to reverse the ball to the top of the key, the defense was waiting for the pass and got a layup on the other end, we were beat on transition defense multiple times.
While the players were the ones executing the mistakes, the coaching staff has to work with these girls on the basic do's and don'ts. This is where Holly has to prepare the team, however we can't compete against the top teams if we are working on high school fundamentals.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Trust me, if they aren't All-American level from the day that they set foot on campus, then they will quickly be dismissed as "overrated", and the focus will turn to the 2018 class and which of those players will be able to step in and fill the void of whatever skill set the overrated freshmen is missing.

People seem to forget that the likes of DeShields, Nared, Russell, Graves, Reynolds, Middleton and Cooper were all highly decorated high school players that were supposed to bring Tennessee back to the FF. It's amazing how ALL of those players ended up being "overrated".:crazy:
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I'm laugh at the great expectation expressed on here of one more player coming down that OREGON PIPELINE. I guess that is based on the success of the previous three.
 
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HoopDR said:
I'm laugh at the great expectation expressed on here of one more player coming down that OREGON PIPELINE. I guess that is based on the success of the previous three.
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People are already anointing the 2017 class as The Great Saviors of the Program. I mean, they look like they are good players on paper, but they will be freshmen and the current team has 3 players that were top 5 prospects who have not lived up to the lofty expectations placed on them as The Great Saviors of the Program to replace the last bunch of top 5 ranked "overrated" players...:crazy:
 
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#145
I'm not a fan of Holly but I have seen this team work the offense well and then get a open shot and throw up a brick. I've also seen them stand around to long and have to hurry just to get a forced shot. I think the players are to blame and so is Holly. I don't think many of these players are very good shooters and against Va. Tech we missed at least seven or eight easy layups that anyone with two hands could make.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I'm not a fan of Holly but I have seen this team work the offense well and then get a open shot and throw up a brick. I've also seen them stand around to long and have to hurry just to get a forced shot. I think the players are to blame and so is Holly. I don't think many of these players are very good shooters and against Va. Tech we missed at least seven or eight easy layups that anyone with two hands could make.
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I'm sure in practice they can make those layups like clockwork, but can't do it in pressure situations in a game. That IMO is a coaching deficiency.

The last 12 or so 5-star players coming in since Glory and Shekinna's class have been "overrated". I don't think it's coincidence that Tennessee happened to find all the overrated players in the top 10 of each class, but more that the coaching staff isn't doing much to make excellent HS players into excellent college players.
 
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Amb3096 said:
People are already anointing the 2017 class as The Great Saviors of the Program. I mean, they look like they are good players on paper, but they will be freshmen and the current team has 3 players that were top 5 prospects who have not lived up to the lofty expectations placed on them as The Great Saviors of the Program to replace the last bunch of top 5 ranked "overrated" players...:crazy:
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This seems to me the crux of the issue. Even if all of these players have been rated correctly, very few, if any, will be immediate stars and some/many/most? may not even contribute significantly to the program during the first half year or year after they arrive. All of us know that playing in college is not the same as playing in high school or on the AAU circuit, but it's easy to forget that and designate player A or player B as a "savior" who will quickly turn everything around once she arrives on campus.

Take last year's #1, for example: Lauren Cox is hardly setting the world on fire at Baylor, at least in the games I've watched. That doesn't necessarily mean she was overrated but it does mean that she has a lot to learn to succeed at the college level, and (in this case) it's Mulkey's job to help her do just that. The same was true of Brianna Stewart, who really didn't become the star everyone predicted/expected until the NCAA Tournament her freshman year and then only after being pushed mercilessly by Auriemma (there are videos of this).

Others--maybe Russell and DeShields fit that category or Elizabeth Williams when she was at Duke--never get where expectations predict they should be. That can of course be the fault of the player, but more often (I think) it's equally (or more) the fault of the coaching that's not there. And that's what seems to me to be the major shortcoming of the Lady Vols staff (and not just Holly): they don't seem to be able to help players improve and learn what they need to learn to fulfill whatever potential they may have. And that leads in turn to one disappointing class after another no matter how highly the players are ranked by the various recruiting services.
 
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Amb3096 said:
End of 12-13 season: "Thank God we we got Mercedes and Jordan. Cierra and Ariel are so overrated."
End of 13-14 season: "Thank God we got Alexa and Jaime. Meighan is so overrated."
End of 14-15 season: "Thank God we got Te'a and Diamond. Jaime, Jordan, Andraya and Alexa are so overrated."
End of 15-16 season: "Thank God we got Schaquila. Bashaara is so overrated."
End of 16-17 season (prediction): "Thank God we got Rennia, Evina, Anastasia and Kasi. Diamond and Mercedes are so overrated."
End of 17-18 season (prediction): "Thank God we got Olivia/Amara/Honesty. Rennia, Evina, Anastasia and Kasi are so overrated."
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My agreement with UTLadyVolsFan's post was aimed solely at DD and whether or not she is ultimately good for the team in the big picture (never a doubt that she is the most talented LV). It had nothing to do with other current players or future recruits.

Read again the following article from Oct 22: No stopping optimism of Tennessee's DeShields

Quotes like: “There’s no second-guessing, no hesitation,” the Lady Vols guard said. “I feel like I’ll be the best player on the floor, no matter who we’re playing.”

...or...

“I went from knowing I was the best player on the floor all my life, knowing there’s not a defender on the opposing team that can stop me, to my physical condition holding me back,”

It seems like being perceived as "the best player" is very important to her psyche, and when she isn't performing to that level (which is often), you see it in her floor and bench disposition.

Turnovers and shot selection betray her as not even close to the best player in the game on some (most?) nights. And it's a shame - because she truly has a great abundance of amazing basketball ability.
 
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