If my kid was in school, they wldn't be watching this

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Vol Mania 21 said:
who brought up him being black? why bring up race LG? if his speech is just about kids staying in school, etc. i have no problem w/ it. if it gets political then i do have a problem with it.
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Sure, if he says "And vote for Democrats!" I'd have a problem with it, too. But based on what's in that article, its not anything remotely close to that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sure, if he says "And vote for Democrats!" I'd have a problem with it, too. But based on what's in that article, its not anything remotely close to that.
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....and we all know, you can take as gospel Obama's word that it wont be politicized. <sarcasm>
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
....and we all know, you can take as gospel Obama's word that it wont be politicized. <sarcasm>
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I am sure that if he says anything political it will be reported on every network and newspaper out there.

I am equally sure that if he doesn't say anything political, then there will still be people who claim that he did. And it will be reported on FOX.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am sure that if he says anything political it will be reported on every network and newspaper out there.

I am equally sure that if he doesn't say anything political, then there will still be people who claim that he did. And it will be reported on FOX.
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It's easier to apologize, than ask permission.

I'm sure he could say, "kill all Republicans", and CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS would still fawn all over him.
 
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droski said:
when all is lost imply anyone not an obama supporter is a racist. . . standard democrat ploy. that and bringing up bush for no reason.
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Actually, it was quite the opposite. You need to look at what I said in context. I'm saying that those who might be critical can view this exercise as a good thing because some of the students more likely to have problems might identify better with Obama based on minority status. I'm serious about that and am not saying that anyone is criticizingf this based on Obama's race.

But let's return to the issue at hand. Does anyone seriously view such a video as "indoctrination?"
 
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lawgator1 said:
Actually, it was quite the opposite. You need to look at what I said in context. I'm saying that those who might be critical can view this exercise as a good thing because some of the students more likely to have problems might identify better with Obama based on minority status. I'm serious about that and am not saying that anyone is criticizingf this based on Obama's race.

But let's return to the issue at hand. Does anyone seriously view such a video as "indoctrination?"
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When it comes from a democrat, I do. My son will be staying home. Democrats don't share the same values and beliefs I have. Why would I want him to hear from Obamanation?

My son has no problems that might identify with Obama.
 
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RockyTopVol said:
When it comes from a democrat, I do. My son will be staying home. Democrats don't share the same values and beliefs I have. Why would I want him to hear from Obamanation?

My son has no problems that might identify with Obama.
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I am glad that you are so open minded.
 
#34
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lawgator1 said:
Massive overreaction. I think presidents routinely have such messages delivered to students by tv or otherwise, encouraging them to stay in school and do well. Asking the kids to then do some sort of letter saying how they will act on that just reinforces the message.

If anything, those of you convinced that his presidency is all about his being black should root for the possibility that his doing this -- and then asking the kids to come up with a plan to act on it -- will encourage some of the kids on the margins, particularly the black kids, to stay in school and do a little better.

The criticism -- and the article on FOX -- are a huige overreaction to a totally benign thing and just more scare tactics.

Along those lines, I find it somewhat amusing that FOX's headlines is "Critics Decry" the plan as some sort of "indoctrination." The "critics" are one guy -- a guy from the ultra conservative Obama-bashing CATO Institute.

This is the equivalent of Michael Moore starting a news channel and going around and getting quotes from Barabra Streisand and hoisting them up as "news" articles.

Seriously, a video that tells kids to work hard, study, and stay in school is indoctrination? Talk about over-reaching ....
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The CATO institute is not ultra-conservative. It is more libertarian and is no more extreme than the Brookings Institute.

If the video is simply encouraging students to stay in school and the importance of education then I have no problem with it.

You make a major assumption that it will only be this. We shall see.
 
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volinbham said:
The CATO institute is not ultra-conservative. It is more libertarian and is no more extreme than the Brookings Institute.

If the video is simply encouraging students to stay in school and the importance of education then I have no problem with it.

You make a major assumption that it will only be this. We shall see.
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Yeah, we'll come back next week and see what all the hoopla was about.
 
#37
#37
A school principal has apologized for showing a video at an assembly that a politically conservative group leader is calling &#8220;radical, leftist propaganda.&#8221;

Children at Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington were shown a short video called &#8220;I pledge&#8221; on Aug. 28. The video opens with an image of President Barack Obama and part of a speech in which he says, &#8220;Let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other.&#8221; The video then features celebrities making pledges about how they will help the president and the world &#8212; and that&#8217;s where some say the problem lies&#8230;

&#8230; Gayle Ruzicka, president of conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said the video was blatantly political. She said other offensive pledges included, &#8220;I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama,&#8221; &#8220;I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica,&#8221; and pledges to not use plastic grocery bags and not flush the toilet after urinating.

&#8220;It&#8217;s very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children,&#8221; Ruzicka said. &#8220;If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it&#8217;s not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it.&#8221;

Cieslewicz said such values should be decided in the home, not at school.
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http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/02/i-pledge-to-be-of-service-to-barack-obama/
 
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#39
lawgator1 said:
Massive overreaction. I think presidents routinely have such messages delivered to students by tv or otherwise, encouraging them to stay in school and do well. Asking the kids to then do some sort of letter saying how they will act on that just reinforces the message.

If anything, those of you convinced that his presidency is all about his being black should root for the possibility that his doing this -- and then asking the kids to come up with a plan to act on it -- will encourage some of the kids on the margins, particularly the black kids, to stay in school and do a little better.

The criticism -- and the article on FOX -- are a huige overreaction to a totally benign thing and just more scare tactics.

Along those lines, I find it somewhat amusing that FOX's headlines is "Critics Decry" the plan as some sort of "indoctrination." The "critics" are one guy -- a guy from the ultra conservative Obama-bashing CATO Institute.

This is the equivalent of Michael Moore starting a news channel and going around and getting quotes from Barabra Streisand and hoisting them up as "news" articles.

Seriously, a video that tells kids to work hard, study, and stay in school is indoctrination? Talk about over-reaching ....
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A democrat say this??????

:lolabove:
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/02/i-pledge-to-be-of-service-to-barack-obama/
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Malkin and others are encouraging parents to keep their kids out of school that day. The State of Texas is considering banning showing the President of the United States.

They aren't fooling anyone. There is no "indoctrination," and anyone in their right mind knows this. The SOLE reason to do this is to perpetuate the fear, the made up anxiety, and to embarrass the President.

It really has gotten to the point of absurdity.
 
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well as far as the deal on tuesday goes, they sent down a curriculm down for the speech and everything else. I am willing to bet that it is a biased set. I mean this stuff didnt start coming out of the woodwork till BHO got some opposition to his final solution to health care (nazi reference for all those that freaked out about my comparrison)
 
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lawgator1 said:
They aren't fooling anyone. There is no "indoctrination," and anyone in their right mind knows this. The SOLE reason to do this is to perpetuate the fear, the made up anxiety, and to embarrass the President.

It really has gotten to the point of absurdity.
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Thank goodness our last president didn't have to deal with anything like that.
 
#44
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utvolpj said:
from me? You didn't read enough of my posts. The US Pres=Hitler/Nazi is pure garbage and any teacher saying it should be ashamed of themselves and their Univ should inquire as to how they actually graduated
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IMHO your Univ should make the same inquiries concerning you.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Malkin and others are encouraging parents to keep their kids out of school that day. The State of Texas is considering banning showing the President of the United States.

They aren't fooling anyone. There is no "indoctrination," and anyone in their right mind knows this. The SOLE reason to do this is to perpetuate the fear, the made up anxiety, and to embarrass the President.

It really has gotten to the point of absurdity.
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Obama does a fine job of makiing himself look like an unqualified idiot.
 
#46
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gsvol said:
IMHO your Univ should make the same inquiries concerning you.
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I have transcripts to back mine up. I assume you still have your release papers from the "Institute" and didn't simply escape?
 
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#48
well the UHC bill in sections 440 and 1904 provides that the government can come in to your home and tell you wether or not you are teaching your kids the right stuff at any time. Im wondering who determines what is right and what is wrong?
 
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a well trained and copentent staff will provide parents with knowledge of age appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional and moter domains. They will also model, consult, and coach on parent practices along with skills to interact with their child (pg 838-839)
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i wonder what kind of social values will be taught?
 
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